In response to mthurl's comment:
In response to TexasPat's comment:
Enough from you homers!! Typical babble from charter members of the Ostrich Society, TrueChamp and Prolate, above. Lets see now, according to Prolate, 2nd round choices are no big deal. Well, lets just examine the past three years, shall we?:
I. 2011: The Pats had two second rounders, the 33rd and 56th overall selections overall. They used them to select CB Ras-I Dowling, and RB Shane Vereen, respectively. Other players that they could have had were:
1.) DE Jabaal Sheard, 37th overall. But, who needs a pass-rusher, right, Prolate?
2.) LB Akeem Ayers: 39th overall. Huge LB, just like BB likes them. A tackling machine. But, there's no place for a guy like this in the NFL, right, Prolate?
3.) LB Bruce Carter: 40th overall. Perhaps the fastest OLB in the game. Great in coverage. But, who needs LBs who can cover, right, Prolate?
4.) DE Brooks Reed: 42nd overall. DE/OLB is the Clay Matthews mold, who can rush the passer. But, who needs pass-rushers, right, Prolate?
5.) S Rahim Moore: 45th overall pick by the Denver Broncos. But, who needs a reliable safety. Right, Prolate?
6.) WR Torrey Smith: 58th overall pick of Baltimore Ravens. One of the more feared deep threat WRs in the game. But, who needs a WR who ccan stretch the field, right, Prolate?
7.) OT Marcus Gilbert: 63rd overall pick of Pittsburgh Steelers. Starting tackle on a contending team. But, who needs depth at OT, right, Prolate?
8.) WR Randall Cobb: 64th overall pick of the Green Bay Packers. Deep threat WR, who is also effective in the slot. In addition, Cobb is a dangerous kick returner. But, who needs players like this, right, Prolate?
II. 2010: The Pats struck gold with Rob Gronkowski at #42. But, how can this be? I thought that 2nd rounders weren't such a big deal, right, Prolate? Pats also selected DE/LB Jermaine Cunningham at #53, and rugged ILB Brandon Spikes at #62. Some think that Spikes is one of the top run-stuffing ILBs in the game. But, how can this be, when he's just a no big deal 2nd rounder, right, Prolate??
1.) DE Carlos Dunlap: 54th overall pick has developed into an excellent pass-rusher. Nagging injuries are the only thing that has stood in his way from being a double-digit sack man. But, who needs guys who can get to the QB, right, Prolate?
2.) LB Sean Lee: 55th overall pick of the Dallas Cowboys is a pro-bowl caliber player. But, like Dunlap, injuries have been an obstacle. But, who needs big LBs who can run, right, Prolate?
III. 2009: The Pats selected S Patrick Chung at #34, DT Ron Brace at #40, CB Darius Butler at #41, and struck gold with pro-bowl caliber RT, Sebastien Vollmer, at #58. But, again, how can it be that the Pats acquired a top notch OT in overrated round two, right, Prolate?
1.) LB James Laurinatis: Taken 35th overall, this guy is one of the better young LBs in the game. But, who needs a big, physical, intimidating LB, right, Prolate?
2.) LB Rey Maualuga: Taken 38th overall. An intimidator. But, what good are guys like this, right, Prolate?
3.) S Jarius Byrd: Selected at #42 overall, Byrd is one of the top ball-hawking safeties in the NFL. But, the Patriots certainly don't need a playmaking safety, right, Prolate?
4.) C/OG Max Unger: Selected 49th overall by Seattle. Solid starter, and versatile interior player. But, who needs a quality C/OG, right, Prolate?
5.) OG Andy Levitre: Picked by Buffalo at #51...this guy is solid. But, who needs good OGs who are capable pass-blockers and run blockers, right, Prolate?
6.) RB LeSean McCoy: Picked by Philly at #53, McCoy is one of the best, most versatile RBs in the league. But, who can use a guy like this, right, Prolate?
7.) S William Moore: Selected 55th overall by Atlanta, Moore has developed into one of the best safeties in the game. But, he's a dime a dozen, right, Prolate?
Why can't you homers admit that the Pats aren't perfect, and have made, and are making their fair share of mistakes? What's worse is an attempt to cover this up by claiming that second rounders aren't such a big deal. The Prolate post above was absurd.
But my friends...you be the judge.
Here's the thing...some people around here honest god think that just because a guy is "starting" on this team, it means he's a good player. When in actuality they are starting because they have nothing better to replace them. I swear to god some of our "starters" would have to literally drop their pants and take a steamy dump right on our logo while receivers ran by for touchdowns before some people would consider them bad players. Even then they would say, "well the guy obviously is very mindfull of his fiber intake, you troll!!!!".
Five years from now when guys like Arrington and Chung are managers at taco bell, maybe then people would admit they weren't good players, but I doubt it. It's not like you can't be a fan and be critical of some of the players they select - I guarantee you Belichick isn't reading this board and crying at night...neither is Chung.
We don't have to wait that long to know. It's obvious! We see it when we watch the games.
Both we, and the esteemed members of the Ostrich Society, are Patriots fans. We all want to see the Patriots win another championship. But, the difference between us and them is that we look at things objectively. We judge based upon results, not on reputation, or on good intentions. I'm sure that BB intented to draft top notch players with all those wasted high round picks. BB certainly has a great reputation, after leading his team to 5 SBs in 11 years. But, just because BB picked a guy, doesn't mean that he's going to produce, "in time". Unfortunately, the facts are that, for whatever reason, too many of his high picks haven't produced.
I criticized the Chung selection when made, and during Chung's rookie season, questioning his coverage skills. For that, I was branded by some as a troll, and by others are pessimistic. Sorry...but I call 'em as I see 'em.