Patrick Chung

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         Here's an article on Chung: http://www.nesn.com/2010/04/patrick-chung-on-a-mission-in-patriots-secondary.html
    Posted by TexasPat3

    thats a great article, he didnt do the best in preseason, but comon now, give the kid a chance, he would be a great complement to have, with meriweather being the big playmaker and chung being the brick wall, we have alot to look forward to
     
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    I thought Chung flashed some signs of being a playmaker but as a rookie couldn't handle the coverage side of his responsibilities.  He actually was one of the few players that put some pressure on the opposing quarterback once in a while.  So if he can learn the coverages, I think Merriweather and Chung will be a good combo.  Chung did get some penalties during special teams for late hits and I believe hits to the head of the quarterback, he'll have to tone those down but I like his potential to be a playmaker, which our defense desperately needs.
    Posted by HartLeeDykesEuguneChung

    ahahaha i remember that hit!! but was it peyton mannin, or chad hennie? that i dont remember but i remember how hard he rocked him!! chungada is a beast nuf said
     
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    Re: Patrick Chung

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    In Response to Patrick Chung :      Surely you jest. Chung was awful last year. The guy can't cover.
    Posted by TexasPat3

    Give the kid a break, Texas.

    He's was a rookie playing one of the most technically difficult positions on the field. He has to know every coverage scheme inside-out. It takes a good two years to transition a rookie into an every down safety.
     
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    I agree with you both he looked lost in that game in coverage, but he seemed to gain more confidence as the season went on. The guy will hit you, something Sanders has not shown me. Still remember the Super Bowl, and Tyree catching the ball and Rodney fighting him, Sanders not helping out on a floater, had plenty of time to help out, but instead stood there to watch the play, 4 or 5 yards behind. That ended it for me with him.
    Posted by bobbysu
    It was actually Asante Samuel who did not help out. Peter King wrote a little blog about this before and showed the picture of Samuel just standing there a few feet from the play, he could have came in and helped but did not.
     
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    Re: Patrick Chung

    TexasPat,

    In my opinion Chung was one of the best rookie safeties in the league last year, hands down. Do the stats back me up? Yes! If I wanted to take the time to manipulate them, I'm sure I could prove Chung was the best safety to step on the field of play ever! I could just as well prove that he was the worst. If you take into consideration he played for possibly the worst D coordinator the Pats have had in a long time he did pretty well for himself. And his coverage abilities were really no worse than anybody else the Pats threw out there in his place. So he made a couple of mistakes. He's was a ROOKIE. He's supposed to make mistakes. That is a rookie's job, to make mistakes. Othewise why keep any veterans at all?

    Oh, and take David Thomas, Garret Mills and Shawn Crable off your list of draft choices that sucked. David thomas was very good till he got injured, Garret Mills was pretty good till he got injured and they didn't have any room for him anyway and Shawn Crable hasn't even been on the field long enough to tell if he is good, bad or indifferent. That is, of course, unless you feel having a debilitating injury makes you a bust. In that case Gayle Sayers was the biggest bust of all times.
     
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    Re: Patrick Chung

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    Posted by TexasPat3

    TexasPat, firstly, I would like to thank you (and many other informative posters)
    for your insight on Patriots football. I live abroad and hardly see any games at all.
    Most of opinions are based on posts from this forum and stories on the net.
    Forgive me for my second hand information.

    I did not read any where in particular that Chung could not cover.
    Our defensive backfield as a whole had problems covering.
    Did Chung have more than others?
    The basic reason was the (lack of) pass rush.
    Inexperience and lack of cohesion (lots of new faces on defense) played its part.
    The bend and not break approach might be outdated after the changes in hitting
    the receivers at the line of scrimmage.
    This year I hope BB (calling the plays on D) uses a lot pressure by blitzing more. He has the personnel in the safeties and DBs as well as the linebackers now.
    The D will be much better this year.
    Harrison did not show any more promise his rookie year than Chung
    (see "Z's" post). I do not believe there is enough evidence to draw conclusions.
    If you have access to coaches' videos (showing the whole field), that show
    Chung' inability to cover than you have a good point. But even then, he could
    turn it around with time/experience (look at the difference between Meriweather's first year and last in cover).

    I agree with you on the lack of production from the OL.
    Brady did not have the time to be very productive against good defenses.
    And the backs did not have the room to run in critical plays.
    I sure hope the new TEs will help with the passing game and the running game.
    Help in the draft for the OL came in the late rounds. I was hoping for earlier help.


     
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    In Response to Re: Patrick Chung :      Based on what?? Why do you think he got so little playing time? The guy can't cover. Didn't you watch the Patriots' games last season?
    Posted by TexasPat3


    He didnt play because he was a Rookie learing the N.E scheme. The potential for Chung is undeniable, he is a hard worker who wants to get better and as previously stated "He loves the game of Football. You want to talk about blown coverge, how about Fairyweather blowing it in N.O last year, he is to trigger happy and inconsistant. Our secondary needs a lot of work but the foundation is there!!
     
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    Re: Patrick Chung

    Answer: The sound a quarterback hears in his head when he gets slammed to the turf by a blitzing safety.


    Question: What is Chung?


     
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    Answer: The sound a quarterback hears in his head when he gets slammed to the turf by a blitzing safety. Question: What is Chung?
    Posted by p-mike

    It's almost onomatopoetic. 

     
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    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTEJust a question for Texas or anyone really put isnt the standard we give them three years before we decide to call a pick a bust or not, or has that changed when it comes to Chung.
     
    RESPONSE: That's what the "talking heads" say. But, you can usually tell pretty quick whether or not a guy has the potential to be a player. I just didn't see any of that from Chung.

    I understand that you wanted Chung to come in and be great, but most of the time, the only true blue chip prospects are top ten to fifteen, not into the second round. Give the guy more of a chance, last year was just a bad year overall. Give him two more years then you can call him a bust if he hasn't improved.

    RESPONSE: Hope you're right. Maybe I am getting a bit frustrated with all the poor 


    My response to your responses is yes, you can tell pretty quickly how a player will turn out, but sometimes you can't. Everybody was in love with Nunn and he looked pretty good, but he didn't turn out. Probably a better example would be Forte (the Chicago RB), he look amazing his first season, and his second not so much, perhaps it was a sophomore slump but maybe it wasn't. there are growing pains coming into the NFL, its a different game than college, rules, plays, schemes. Thats why three years is the SOP when it comes to grading prospects. I do agree many of the draft picks the past couple of years have been flops or at least as good as we thought they would be.
     
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    As for Chung making an impact as a rookie, let's name so other recent players that didn't play much as rookies but turned into some pretty good players for the Pats:
    Tedy Bruschi
    Ty Warren
    Troy Brown
    Its absolutely foolish and shortsighted to judge a player as "sucking" after just 1 year.  Any rookie who gets on the field at all for the Pats tells me that they have some smarts, ability and potential to really jump in their second year.  Lets judge Chung 1 year from now.  
     
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    Answer: The sound a quarterback hears in his head when he gets slammed to the turf by a blitzing safety. Question: What is Chung?
    Posted by p-mike


    I LOVE this post
     
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    TexasPat,

    I think you are getting frustrated listening to all the "Talking Heads" with no names coming out of the wood work, using "stat magic" to prove that the Pats don't know how to draft, BB doesn't know how to evaluate talent and he doesn't even know how to coach and win without cheating.

    stat magic- the use of arcane stats with no context used to make a mediocre team look like a much better team and which cannot be proven any other way.
     
    Example:

    The Statement: The Lions have won every game they ever played.

    The stat: 1-0

    The nondisclosed context: Against teams from Wash. DC played on all dates that equaled Sept. 27, 2009.
     
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    Re: Patrick Chung

    guys what can u expect? his name is Texaspat, we all know evryone from texas is a dumb hicks who are stubborn as mules, there socially backward and comepletly full of themselves, he is trying to get some attention by disagreeing with everyone and trying to fight a war he cant win
     
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    guys what can u expect? his name is Texaspat, we all know evryone from texas is a dumb hicks who are stubborn as mules, there socially backward and comepletly full of themselves, he is trying to get some attention by disagreeing with everyone and trying to fight a war he cant win
    Posted by TateGroup


    Right.  No one in Massachusetts is full of themselves. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Patrick Chung : Right.  No one in Massachusetts is full of themselves. 
    Posted by themightypatriotz

    NOPE! lol (X but you have to understnd that its much worse in Texas.. lol
     
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    nope.. born in Cali, raised in Boston, live in Miami
     
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    guys what can u expect? his name is Texaspat, we all know evryone from texas is a dumb hicks who are stubborn as mules, there socially backward and comepletly full of themselves, he is trying to get some attention by disagreeing with everyone and trying to fight a war he cant win
    Posted by TateGroup


    Although, I disagree with TexasPat's assessment of Chung's first year,
    I feel he has a right to his opinion.
    He defends his opinions in his posts with fairly objective reasoning.
    TexasPat does not resort to personal attacks on those disagreeing with him
    and deserves the same in return.
     
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    Re: Patrick Chung

    It's hard to take the opinion of some displaced cosmonaut in the land of chicken fried steak seriously. 

     
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    Re: Patrick Chung

    This is the guy that, when he was at Oregon, shut down the Oklahoma State offense virtually by himself.  At the time, OSU was the number one offense in the country.  This kid has a nose for the ball and can play.  Give him a chance.
     
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