Patriot State of the Union

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    After Further Review: Are the Patriots a running team? Or just a smart one? Pete Prisco By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist

     

    Here There's a question being asked a lot this week: Are the New England Patriots becoming more of a running team?

    It's a legitimate question after they ran for 247 yards, had two 100-yard rushers and averaged 6.2 yards per carry last week in their 52-28 rout of the Buffalo Bills.

    But in reality, the Pats just took what the opponent gave to them, a smart quarterback winning the game of mental gymnastics against Bills defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt. 

             

    The Bills basically challenged the Patriots to run against the defensive alignments they used, trying to slow Tom Brady's passing game. New England said fine, and ran it right at them.

    In theory, the Bills' defense of choice made sense. After all, you would think if you could slow Brady you could win the game. Problem is, they didn't slow him, either. Brady threw for 340 yards and three touchdowns.

    Buffalo used four down linemen, one real linebacker and converted safety/linebacker Bryan Scott next to him. They used five defensive backs for most of the game.

    The result was a New England freight train running through the defense. Both Brandon Bolden and Stevan Ridley went for over 100 yards against the Bills. The great thing about the Patriots was their commitment to run it. Even down 21-7 in the third quarter, they stayed with the running game. 

     

     

    YUP, Truth hits like a hammer and you been hit way too many times.  Is that why you're wozzy?

     
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    Wozzy you must be Carpenter, you seem to hit the nail on the head everytime.

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    Wozzy and TrueChamp continue to throttle Pezzy, Babe, Prolate and Hurlie. Fun for the board to watch, that is fore sure.

    Oh, here comes the queen of the "wrong way crew" right on cue.   Some quys smoke dope, some quys just are dopes.  You are the queen of dope.  Is is medicinal?  I didn't know they approved that for psychosis.  It s not working,  btw, hate to say.

     

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    [QUOTE]After Further Review: Are the Patriots a running team? Or just a smart one? Pete Prisco By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist

     

    Here There's a question being asked a lot this week: Are the New England Patriots becoming more of a running team?

    It's a legitimate question after they ran for 247 yards, had two 100-yard rushers and averaged 6.2 yards per carry last week in their 52-28 rout of the Buffalo Bills.

    But in reality, the Pats just took what the opponent gave to them, a smart quarterback winning the game of mental gymnastics against Bills defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt. 

             

    The Bills basically challenged the Patriots to run against the defensive alignments they used, trying to slow Tom Brady's passing game. New England said fine, and ran it right at them.

    In theory, the Bills' defense of choice made sense. After all, you would think if you could slow Brady you could win the game. Problem is, they didn't slow him, either. Brady threw for 340 yards and three touchdowns.

    Buffalo used four down linemen, one real linebacker and converted safety/linebacker Bryan Scott next to him. They used five defensive backs for most of the game.

    The result was a New England freight train running through the defense. Both Brandon Bolden and Stevan Ridley went for over 100 yards against the Bills. The great thing about the Patriots was their commitment to run it. Even down 21-7 in the third quarter, they stayed with the running game. 

     

     

    YUP, Truth hits like a hammer and you been hit way too many times.  Is that why you're wozzy?

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    The bottom line about the Patriots is this: If you dare them to run, especially with small converted safeties playing linebacker, they will eat you up. Scott probably spent a lot of time in the hot tub Sunday night and Monday morning.

    So to answer the question about whether the Patriots are a running team or not, the answer is simple. If you dare them to run these days, they can. But this is still Tom Brady's team

     

     
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    Quiz for you, Wozzy.  

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    The Pats came out against Denver (shotgun) passed 5 times, completed a first down with the first pass to Gronk then went three and out.  Punt!

    Was this a play-calling mistake in your opinion on the first drive? If so, why? If not, why not?

     

     

     

     
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    agreed. but josh needs to get clear oon whats not working and change some of his tendencies

    Do you have anything thats factual to support this or is it just your opinion?

     

     
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    Wozzy you must be Carpenter, you seem to hit the nail on the head everytime.

    [/QUOTE]  That all you got dope queen?

    Here's what Tommy had to say about it.  You do know who Tommy is, don't you?  He's the the guy you arm chair coach, wanna be's, think you know better than. 


    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The Patriots totaled more than 200 rushing yards for the second game in a row, marking the first time they've accomplished the feat since 1978.

    Quarterback Tom Brady touched on one main reason the club has rung up such big numbers -- opponents are daring them to run by the personnel they're putting on the field.

    "We're getting a lot of nickel defense [five defensive backs]," Brady said following Sunday's 31-21 win over the Broncos. "When they put little guys out there, we have to take advantage of it."

    That's exactly what happened in last week's victory over the Bills. It was almost a carbon copy Sunday against the Broncos, who were in the nickel throughout.

    When the offense sees that, and it has its base personnel on the field (2 receivers, 2 tight ends, 1 running back), it wants to ground and pound.

    "I think we're playing definitely a more physical style and controlling the tempo of the game by running the football," said Brady, who finished 23-of-31 for 223 yards with one touchdown. "We have to keep doing it."


    Wozzy and TrueChamp continue to throttle Pezzy, Babe, Prolate and Hurlie. Fun for the board to watch, that is fore sure.

    Oh, here comes the queen of the "wrong way crew" right on cue.   Some quys smoke dope, some quys just are dopes.  You are the queen of dope.  Is is medicinal?  I didn't know they approved that for psychosis.  It s not working,  btw, hate to say.

     

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    "is is"?  You are the prince of pansiness.  lmao

    Maybe Hurlie will give you a pink cupcake to match your hat?

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    Quiz for you, Wozzy.  

    You say:

    The Pats came out against Denver (shotgun) passed 5 times, completed a first down with the first pass to Gronk then went three and out.  Punt!

    Was this a play-calling mistake in your opinion on the first drive? If so, why? If not, why not?

     He has no idea.

     He also thinks  5 passes and a 1st down is a 3 and out.  He also thinks comparing 2 different drives where one failed and the other didn't is a big thing and means something, but fails to list the passing plays that worked and omits the running plays that failed liked the 3 times they ran a few yards out,  but couldn't punch it in.

    He needs 48 hours LOL

     

     

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    For all the moaners...

    NEW ENGLAND OFFENSE:

    Ranked #1 in PPG and total points scored

    #1 yards per game

    #1 in 1st downs per game

    Tied for 1st in 3rd downs made, 4th in 3rd down %

    #1 in rushing attempts per game

    8th rushing average (4.3 YPC)

    #1 in rushing TD's (10)

    #1 in rushing 1st downs

    Tied for 4th in rushes over 20+ yards

    9th in time of possesion

    9th in Passing yards

    Tommy is ranked 6th in passing %

    6th most passing yards

    Tied for 5th in average yards per pass

    Tied for 6th in passing TD's

    Tied at #1 for only one INT thrown

    #3 for passing first downs

    Tied at 7th for fewest sacks allowed

    Tommy ranked 4th with a 102.8 passer rating

    4th fewest for team fumbles

    +10 on turnovers

    21st in penalties

    10 rushing TD's and 8 passing TD's; I'd call that balance.  In short we're the best offensive team in the NFL, but to listen to the meatballs here we have the worst O Line ever.

     

    NEW ENGLAND DEFENSE:

    Ranked 15th in PPG allowed

    21st yards per game

    Ranked 24th in 3rd down %

    Tied at 8th for penalties

    7th in defensive time of possesion

    #2 forced fumbles

    #1 fumbles recovered

    #3 rushing average

    8th in rushing yards per game

    Tied for 3rd in fewest rushing TD's allowed

    Tied for 5th in INT's

    Tied for 19th in fewest sacks

    25th in passing %

    30th passing yards allowed

    I don't want to hear how bad our defensive backfield is anymore, if you're saying it, you don't know squat about complimentary football.  We don't rush the passer, are ranked 19th in sacks and yet we're one of the best at intercepting passes and causing fumbles.

    In short "bend don't break," we give up a lot of yards but we cause fumbles and INT's at a high rate.  BB uses a situational defense in the regular season, if the game is on the line he'll make every effort to stop the opposing team, otherwise he doesn't care about stats or your fantasy football team's defense.  He minimizes the big play and knows that his offense will outscore yours.  Expect that when the playoff's begin the defense will stiffen, just like previous years and they'll play at championship form.   All the moaners and Nancies should go root for the Browns, at least then they would have something to complain about.    

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    Guess I have a new appreciation of the same old "bend but don't break" as you state it. Guess they failed to pay any attention to the "don't break" part starting with the 2007 SB.

    Sorry, but the onkly stat I really care ab out is the one showing who won the last game of each NFL season. It's interesting to see how many of us have become stat hogs, a la Colt Mannimg days.... all stats, hasn't won a darn thing, not legit. Sound familiar since 2007?

    Keep up the good stat gathering, especially what the last 3 QB's have done to the vaunted Pats D. No wonder they rank high in rushing yds allowed... they are getting gashed by 360 YPG via the air!!! No sacks do not equal INT's and forced fumbles. Only GREAT defenses ('86 Bears, 2000 Ravens, etc) lived to force their will on opposing offenses. Sorry, this Pats edition strikes absolutely no fear in any opposing offense. To them, no sacks = more QB time to throw the ball, and they do for an AVG of 360 YPG.  Did you feel all warm and fuzzy seeing an "old, broken down, he'll never be the same again, can't throw the ball deep anymore" Manning last Sunday? Only 2 sacks and 340+ myards and 3 TD's. So much for your theory. A good NFL QB will and has been picking this defense apart.

    Whatchya gonna say when, as the year progresses, they come up against the better NFL coaches (Seattle/Carroll, Rams/Fisher, Texans, and 49'ers)? All four teams have the ab ility to field QB's that could go for 300+ yards, and solid coaching to stop the Pats offense? Save the "stop crying" drivel. We'll talk about it after the season's over AND the Pats start reducing passing YPG to under 250 and less than 2 TD's per game.

     
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    [QUOTE]After Further Review: Are the Patriots a running team? Or just a smart one? Pete Prisco By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist

     

    Here There's a question being asked a lot this week: Are the New England Patriots becoming more of a running team?

    It's a legitimate question after they ran for 247 yards, had two 100-yard rushers and averaged 6.2 yards per carry last week in their 52-28 rout of the Buffalo Bills.

    But in reality, the Pats just took what the opponent gave to them, a smart quarterback winning the game of mental gymnastics against Bills defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt. 

             

    The Bills basically challenged the Patriots to run against the defensive alignments they used, trying to slow Tom Brady's passing game. New England said fine, and ran it right at them.

    In theory, the Bills' defense of choice made sense. After all, you would think if you could slow Brady you could win the game. Problem is, they didn't slow him, either. Brady threw for 340 yards and three touchdowns.

    Buffalo used four down linemen, one real linebacker and converted safety/linebacker Bryan Scott next to him. They used five defensive backs for most of the game.

    The result was a New England freight train running through the defense. Both Brandon Bolden and Stevan Ridley went for over 100 yards against the Bills. The great thing about the Patriots was their commitment to run it. Even down 21-7 in the third quarter, they stayed with the running game. 

     

     

    YUP, Truth hits like a hammer and you been hit way too many times.  Is that why you're wozzy?

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    The bottom line about the Patriots is this: If you dare them to run, especially with small converted safeties playing linebacker, they will eat you up. Scott probably spent a lot of time in the hot tub Sunday night and Monday morning.

    So to answer the question about whether the Patriots are a running team or not, the answer is simple. If you dare them to run these days, they can. But this is still Tom Brady's team

     

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    Of course it is Tom Brady's team and always will be! But teams have " dared them to run" for 3 years. Only when we shipped out moss did we start running the ball and that was with Bjge and wood head. Last year we had BJGE, Woody AND Ridley.

     

    Nobody is saying Brady is hurting the team, we were saying our over reliance on him was. Welcome to the future. Run to set up pass, pass to set up run. Whatever supports our arguments I suppose, but the fact is BB got his guy back and we are averaging more yards on offense then only 1 team in NFL history...the 07 Josh Mcdaniels lead Patriots. 

    Imagine that, more total yards then the team many consider to be the greatest offense ever? Complimentary football, churning the clock, using a sound kicking game and trying to keep the defense off the field. Heck of a game plan if you ask me.

     
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    [QUOTE]After Further Review: Are the Patriots a running team? Or just a smart one? Pete Prisco By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist

     

    Here There's a question being asked a lot this week: Are the New England Patriots becoming more of a running team?

    It's a legitimate question after they ran for 247 yards, had two 100-yard rushers and averaged 6.2 yards per carry last week in their 52-28 rout of the Buffalo Bills.

    But in reality, the Pats just took what the opponent gave to them, a smart quarterback winning the game of mental gymnastics against Bills defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt. 

             

    The Bills basically challenged the Patriots to run against the defensive alignments they used, trying to slow Tom Brady's passing game. New England said fine, and ran it right at them.

    In theory, the Bills' defense of choice made sense. After all, you would think if you could slow Brady you could win the game. Problem is, they didn't slow him, either. Brady threw for 340 yards and three touchdowns.

    Buffalo used four down linemen, one real linebacker and converted safety/linebacker Bryan Scott next to him. They used five defensive backs for most of the game.

    The result was a New England freight train running through the defense. Both Brandon Bolden and Stevan Ridley went for over 100 yards against the Bills. The great thing about the Patriots was their commitment to run it. Even down 21-7 in the third quarter, they stayed with the running game. 

     

     

    YUP, Truth hits like a hammer and you been hit way too many times.  Is that why you're wozzy?

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    The bottom line about the Patriots is this: If you dare them to run, especially with small converted safeties playing linebacker, they will eat you up. Scott probably spent a lot of time in the hot tub Sunday night and Monday morning.

    So to answer the question about whether the Patriots are a running team or not, the answer is simple. If you dare them to run these days, they can. But this is still Tom Brady's team

     

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    Of course it is Tom Brady's team and always will be! But teams have " dared them to run" for 3 years. Only when we shipped out moss did we start running the ball and that was with Bjge and wood head. Last year we had BJGE, Woody AND Ridley.

     

    Nobody is saying Brady is hurting the team, we were saying our over reliance on him was. Welcome to the future. Run to set up pass, pass to set up run. Whatever supports our arguments I suppose, but the fact is BB got his guy back and we are averaging more yards on offense then only 1 team in NFL history...the 07 Josh Mcdaniels lead Patriots. 

    Imagine that, more total yards then the team many consider to be the greatest offense ever? Complimentary football, churning the clock, using a sound kicking game and trying to keep the defense off the field. Heck of a game plan if you ask me.

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    No one is upset with the current offense. i love the current offense and i believe that if the defense improved the Pats will be favored to go to the super bowl.  i hate listening to people say we havent run in so many years. Or O'Brien was a bad OC and the reason is because he never was balanced. You seem to be admitting that we were balanced in 2010 (finally). Wozzy sort of admitted it but while he admits that the Pats with O'Brien ran the ball in 2010 it doesn't matter because they were "blatantly obvious" as he said. They were so blatantly obvious that they had one of the best running attacks in the NFL with Green Ellis (who I like but consider a hard working back up and a good guy) and Woodhead.
      I'm not some huge O' brien fan. I felt like he and Belichek were terrible in the playoff game against the Jets a few years ago. Worst coaching job ever associated with a Belichek team. I'm not convinced that McDaniels is the genius you guys are now claiming he is. He helped royally screw up the 2007 super bowl with Belichek for 3 quarters and he was awful in Denver and St Louis. Now he's a genius. i think the jury is still out on that, the reverses in Baltimore  seemed silly and for 3 quarters the offense seemed clueless against the Cardinals. Someone decided to run Woodhead up the gut repeatedly against the Ravens. Everyone here complained endlessly about it but not me, he got a tough TD and he had some good blocks. I assumed that they felt Ridley wasn't ready for that role yet and I trust their decision making process overall. Bill makes mistakes (Chungs god awful fake punt and the slow drives in the 4th Quarter in the 2010 playoffs) but overrall I believe he's the best in the business.

     
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    [QUOTE]After Further Review: Are the Patriots a running team? Or just a smart one? Pete Prisco By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist

     

    Here There's a question being asked a lot this week: Are the New England Patriots becoming more of a running team?

    It's a legitimate question after they ran for 247 yards, had two 100-yard rushers and averaged 6.2 yards per carry last week in their 52-28 rout of the Buffalo Bills.

    But in reality, the Pats just took what the opponent gave to them, a smart quarterback winning the game of mental gymnastics against Bills defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt. 

             

    The Bills basically challenged the Patriots to run against the defensive alignments they used, trying to slow Tom Brady's passing game. New England said fine, and ran it right at them.

    In theory, the Bills' defense of choice made sense. After all, you would think if you could slow Brady you could win the game. Problem is, they didn't slow him, either. Brady threw for 340 yards and three touchdowns.

    Buffalo used four down linemen, one real linebacker and converted safety/linebacker Bryan Scott next to him. They used five defensive backs for most of the game.

    The result was a New England freight train running through the defense. Both Brandon Bolden and Stevan Ridley went for over 100 yards against the Bills. The great thing about the Patriots was their commitment to run it. Even down 21-7 in the third quarter, they stayed with the running game. 

     

     

    YUP, Truth hits like a hammer and you been hit way too many times.  Is that why you're wozzy?

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    The bottom line about the Patriots is this: If you dare them to run, especially with small converted safeties playing linebacker, they will eat you up. Scott probably spent a lot of time in the hot tub Sunday night and Monday morning.

    So to answer the question about whether the Patriots are a running team or not, the answer is simple. If you dare them to run these days, they can. But this is still Tom Brady's team

     

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    Of course it is Tom Brady's team and always will be! But teams have " dared them to run" for 3 years. Only when we shipped out moss did we start running the ball and that was with Bjge and wood head. Last year we had BJGE, Woody AND Ridley.

     

    Nobody is saying Brady is hurting the team, we were saying our over reliance on him was. Welcome to the future. Run to set up pass, pass to set up run. Whatever supports our arguments I suppose, but the fact is BB got his guy back and we are averaging more yards on offense then only 1 team in NFL history...the 07 Josh Mcdaniels lead Patriots. 

    Imagine that, more total yards then the team many consider to be the greatest offense ever? Complimentary football, churning the clock, using a sound kicking game and trying to keep the defense off the field. Heck of a game plan if you ask me.

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    I agree the reliance on him was too much.  You could just see it wearing on him with carrying the O and the D too.

    They are averaging more yards but not points or wins.

    That's not really the point.  The point is, if they could have done this last year they could have.  It's always been the point. You guys are flailing over last years very good O but I and others have been telling you that if they could have they would have and it has little to do with O"B but more to do with BB being a high percentage and very smart coach who is not going to take the ball away from TB with an injured BJGE and 2 rookies without the benefit of camp, at the helm. This year they have a vet in Woody and two very good backs with a year under their belts (although one is always hurt) and a surprise in Bolden.

    As long as the D's are playing them the way they are, it will continue but Brady is the key and yes, some of you are giving more credit to the backs and coaching  than Brady  and that's the biggest joke of all.  They aren't nearly as sucessful without his arm and his brain.

     
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    I agree the reliance on him was too much.  You could just see it wearing on him with carrying the O and the D too.

    They are averaging more yards but not points or wins.

    That's not really the point.  The point is, if they could have done this last year they could have.  It's always been the point. You guys are flailing over last years very good O but I and others have been telling you that if they could have they would have and it has little to do with O"B but more to do with BB being a high percentage and very smart coach who is not going to take the ball away from TB with an injured BJGE and 2 rookies without the benefit of camp, at the helm. This year they have a vet in Woody and two very good backs with a year under their belts (although one is always hurt) and a surprise in Bolden.

    As long as the D's are playing them the way they are, it will continue but Brady is the key and yes, some of you are giving more credit to the backs and coaching  than Brady  and that's the biggest joke of all.  They aren't nearly as sucessful without his arm and his brain.

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    i think we kind of agree on this issue but you put it in a much better way than I do. 

     
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    Feeling good about this team, as good as they are now it looks like they will get even better on both sides of the ball.

     
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    Wozzy you must be Carpenter, you seem to hit the nail on the head everytime.

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    running alone is not what is effective

    1st it seemed to me, in these games josh ran more wehn he couldnt just lineup and pass and get first downs and or bb got tired of it and said run teh ball more.

    2ndly it's not just the # of runs, its when and how. there is a skill to it (playcalling). not just, " i can do this, lets run 50% and pass %50".

     
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    Pass setting up the run?  You'd say anything not to be wrong...

    The Pats came out against Denver (shotgun) passed 5 times, completed a first down with the first pass to Gronk then went three and out.  Punt!

    Came out the second time on their 16 yard line; ran 7 times, passed 5 times drove the entire length of the field and scored.

    Yes, I would call 28 rushes by Ridely, 14 rushes by Bolden and 7 more by Woody "smash mouth."

    Yeah O'Brien ran plenty in 2010 and then didn't run it at all in the first round bounce against the Jets... how was that a good thing again, was that a "balanced" attack?  

    He was blatantly obvious; his run play calling consisted of a sweep and nothing more, when Law Firm came on the field it was a run, when Woody came out it was a pass.  In short, he blew...

     

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    No, you'd say anything to prove your run first at all cost agenda and you are wrong.  The Pats are taking what the D's are giving them.  The D's are playing PASS, which makes it easier and benificial to run, now that they have backs that can actually run a little.

    They are more afraid of Brady's arm.  Do you get it yet?  Doubtful, but oh well.

     

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    I can't wait for the playoffs when this offense has had a full season playing together, Lloyd hasn't scratched the surface of what he can do yet and this O Line is getting better every day.  Also I can't wait to see this defense let loose. This is the year.

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    if we keep improving.

    adn if josh gets his crap together.

    houston., baltimore, and teh nfc sb team will not be easy.

     
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    Pass setting up the run?  You'd say anything not to be wrong...

    The Pats came out against Denver (shotgun) passed 5 times, completed a first down with the first pass to Gronk then went three and out.  Punt!

    Came out the second time on their 16 yard line; ran 7 times, passed 5 times drove the entire length of the field and scored.

    Yes, I would call 28 rushes by Ridely, 14 rushes by Bolden and 7 more by Woody "smash mouth."

    Yeah O'Brien ran plenty in 2010 and then didn't run it at all in the first round bounce against the Jets... how was that a good thing again, was that a "balanced" attack?  

    He was blatantly obvious; his run play calling consisted of a sweep and nothing more, when Law Firm came on the field it was a run, when Woody came out it was a pass.  In short, he blew...

     

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    No, you'd say anything to prove your run first at all cost agenda and you are wrong.  The Pats are taking what the D's are giving them.  The D's are playing PASS, which makes it easier and benificial to run, now that they have backs that can actually run a little.

    They are more afraid of Brady's arm.  Do you get it yet?  Doubtful, but oh well.

     

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    I'm pretty sure they were afraid of Ridley Sunday because he was gashing them.  You wouldn't know good offense from bad, finesse from smashmouth if you saw it because of your fascination with fantasy stats...

    As to whether I'm wrong, the playoffs will prove that definitively, but from where I'm sitting this team is substantially better than the last few because of Josh McDaniel's and his play calling.  

    This year's Patriots would have rammed it down last year's Giant's throat; not throw an INT to start the 4th quarter then go three and out 3 more times when it mattered most.  O'Brien was a choke artist, he was the beneficiary of Tom Brady and a veteran offense whereas Josh makes Tom Brady better.

     

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    "g this team is substantially better than the last few because of Josh McDaniel's and his play calling. "

    its better because of teh combination of wepons on 0ff and the fronbt 7.

    josh playcalljg has been marginally above obrian's in several games this year.

    he aint teh smartest oc in teh league by far.

    hope he improves.

    having a multifacted weopon that can kill almost anyone doesnt make the person wielding it a genius.

     

     

     
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    Wozzy hasn't stepped up and answered my quiz above, but here's another one, this time for True Champ.  All offseason Champ ragged on O'Brien for passing on first and ten in the Super Bowl from the six yard line (the infamous play-action safety play).    

    Well this Sunday, on the Pats last drive of the second quarter, they got the ball on their own two yard line.  McDaniels came out in a five-wide formation clearly telegraphing pass.  The pass play was successful, picking up five yards.  So he came out in five wide a second time (second and five from the seven yard line) and passed again for a first down.  

    So Champ, if O'Brien's play call in the Super Bowl was the stupidest thing ever, why was McDaniels' call Sunday not stupid?  Was it a good call or a bad one?  Please explain your reasons for your answers? And if you tihnk O'Brien's call was bad (as you've said) and McDaniel's was good, please explain the difference. 

     
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    One other observation for all our would-be offensive coordinators.  In the Pats' second drive of the game, it was very easy to predict whether the Pats would pass or run.  When the Pats put Brady in shotgun and spread the receivers, they passed.  When Brady was under center and the TEs pulled in tighter, they ran.  Play after play, the exact same thing happened--shotgun spread was a pass, Brady under center with a tighter formation was a run.  The most predictable playcalling in the world.  The one exception was the last play of the drive, when they showed run (based on the formations they had used all drive) and instead went to play-action pass.  This is an example of Josh being completely predictable on purpose.  The whole drive he was setting up the final play.  It was very good play calling.  It was, however, extremely predictable.  What made it work through the whole drive is that the execution was fabulous.  Even when they showed run or showed pass, the defense couldn't stop them.  The play calling was excellent, but without the talent to make it work and good execution, the drive would have been easy to defend simply because the defense (except for that last play) must have known exactly what was coming.

     

     

     

     
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    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
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    Wozzy hasn't stepped up and answered my quiz above, but here's another one, this time for True Champ.  All offseason Champ ragged on O'Brien for passing on first and ten in the Super Bowl from the six yard line (the infamous play-action safety play).    

    Well this Sunday, on the Pats last drive of the second quarter, they got the ball on their own two yard line.  McDaniels came out in a five-wide formation clearly telegraphing pass.  The pass play was successful, picking up five yards.  So he came out in five wide a second time (second and five from the seven yard line) and passed again for a first down.  

    So Champ, if O'Brien's play call in the Super Bowl was the stupidest thing ever, why was McDaniels' call Sunday not stupid?  Was it a good call or a bad one?  Please explain your reasons for your answers? And if you tihnk O'Brien's call was bad (as you've said) and McDaniel's was good, please explain the difference. 

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    Wozzy actually went to bed, arguing that a running game would help the Patriot's for the last 4 years made him tired.

    Pezz made the ridiculous comment how the Denver game was a good example of the pass setting up the run, when that wasn't the case at all.  The first drive stalled; when they came out the 2nd time and mixed it up they scored.

    It's funny how the most prolific offensive season IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL was 2007 under McDaniel's (who was what, 19 at the time?) followed up by a 10-6 season with a QB who never started a college game, fast forward to this years offense which is on pace to be the 2nd best offense of all time... but somehow the resident fantasy football contingent question how good he is or whether he "can drive the Ferrari."  

    Laughable, clownish come to mind.  I've always stood by my beliefs and when I've been wrong I've admitted to it.  

    These people have been stating for four years that the run game had nothing to do with our predictability on offense, inefficiency in crunchtime and over use of our defense.  Over time they have backtracked numerous times as they've been proven wrong again and again, changing their stance from "running is unimportant, it's a passing league" to "the offensive line isn't made for running" to "the runningbacks aren't talented enough."

    Now all of a sudden O'Brien was a running guru, Law Firm was plenty succesfull in 2010 and because McDaniels two years as offensive coordinator he has only been to one Super Bowl and didn't win he isn't as good as O'Brien was.

    Be a f-ing man, admit that we sorely needed a running game to be successful much like we had in our 3 championship years and move on.  What your seeing on the field this year is the result of balance (much like 2007) what some of us have been yelling about for four years while the rest of you stated "it's ok, we're the #1 rated fantasy football offense so we must be good."  

    I hope you won your fantasy league championship, because back here in the real world we were getting bounced in the first round by the Ravens and Jets. 

     
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    just my 2 cents, but McD was the same OC who took Welker out of the offensive game plan and had Woodhead getting a million touches. This is not the sign of a genius. He has improved, and will need to continue to improve as the season goes on.

    Same holds true for Patricia.

     

     
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