Patriots Among Handful Of Teams Looking Strong So Far

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    You can't judge anything by the preseason.  The Colts are something like 4-25 in the past 8 years.  Preseason doesn't count.  Why don't you write a review after 4 real games and that might be a more accurate description of the rest of the season. 
     
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    Lot of effort here, but probably wasted because preseason is never a forecaster of the regular season. Ever.
     
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    I have to agree with the guys here.  Nothing can be judged by the preseason stuff.  Just as you can't read too much into the Rams debacle you can't read too much into the NO and Atl games either.

    It is surprising however that a lot of the good teams are struggling during preseason.  Dallas, Indy and the Jets are a solid group but are struggling in areas of the game.
     
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    The only thing I can really gather from preseason is you can get a look at what the team has added through free agency and the draft. When those guys get out on the field you can tell if they will contribute and make the team better. So far this year you can tell that Gronk and Hernandez will make a difference. On defense you can see that Spikes will help a little. Other than that the Defense to me looks worse than last year. The D line is a shell of its former self. The outside linebacker spots are thinner and lacking any real talent. We haven't seen Cunningham so maybe that will change, but he has never played this position and he will probably struggle. The kid they got in the first round looks good, but it disturbes me they would have to draft him in the first place, they have spent so many draft picks in that spot over the last 5 years.
     
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    Forget about the preseason games and think about the injuries.  Edleman, Warren, Brace, Wheatley, Hernandez, Merriweather and more.  OK, so Wheatley was probably not surving the final cut, but Brace was an unknown and until he got hurt  he made in impact last week. But the others would play an important role in the team. Now subtract Mankins for the year. Without  these guys this rebuilding Pats team looks like a middle-of-the-pack team. As it stands now, the Jets will destroy the Pats in week 2.

    Before these early subtractions came to be, I wrote it months ago: "This will be another rebuilding year."  2012 will probably see the Pats positioned as a major force if they retain Brady and Moss (yes, I see him as one of those exceptions to the old-receivers-cannot-play rule), and Welker proves he is healthy. But 2010 will be tough on the fans and team alike.

    Just calling it like I see it.
     
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    In Response to Re: Patriots Among Handful Of Teams Looking Strong So Far : Nothing can be judged? Come on, dude. This is a young D and some brand new personnel on offense and Special Teams. Every player is being judged. So far, without game planning, NE has done well against NO and Atlanta, two teams where every pundit is firmly entrenched into the successful  2010 column, and they had a crappy D performance against the lowly Rams. But, to say, it doesn't matter is silly, especially for a younger team with many spots available and question makr areas. There are many aspects where NE was BAD last year where they seemed to address it on paper, where it's also QUICKLY come together on the field: Attitude, energy, execution in the run game, red zone offense, kick off returns, solid edge run D, tackling, etc. The offense will appear to be absolutely nasty with more balance and depth. I think we learned that part for sure with these TEs and how it affects Brady in the red zone and the run game overall. Remember, this is without gameplanning. When Cincy comes in here and if they look good or bad, we'll have the guage we need coming off preseason.  BB has been game planning for Cincy, NY and Miami so far, for months.
    Posted by russgriswold


    It appears you've taken my post a bit out of context.  Judging on the individual matters for sure but not on how a team will play overall and that's what my meaning was here.  About team performance.  Example is the 8-8 post where one game judged a season record.  Nonsense.  So record wise I don't think it matters.  In the same fashion this post says that we are looking strong record wise. 

    The schedule being what it is this year by game 6 we'll have a real good idea of what this team will be about.  Trends will tend to have a bit more meaning because of the consistency of the schedule.  Pre-season is not the place.

     
     
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    Breaking it down division by division - AFC EAST - The Patriots have lit up the scoreboard with 90 points in three games and managed to beat the defending SB champs as well as another contender in the NFC South; the horrible defensive performance against the Rams gives pause, but overall the defense has shown something.  The same cannot be said for the expected challengers Miami and the NY Jets, who have been dismal offensively and cannot win battles of attrition against decent offenses with their defenses, as they've shown both last season and in this preseason.  One cannot be certain right now how illusory the Bills' 2-1 record is, but the win over the Bengals gives pause that maybe Buffalo is a little better than expected. AFC SOUTH - The one-man nature of the Colts has been on graphic display this preseason with the usual Manning firepower and a new low in Indianapolis ineptitude when he's not on the field; against Green Bay Manning was looking worse instead of better as the game went on, and the effect new umpire-deployment rules have had on Indy's offense has caused the usual whiney protestations from Peyton and company.  The Jaguars have generally proven they can be a tough team to beat, though they haven't shown enough firepower to outright win a lot of games. The Texans have been fairly solid all preseason and managed to expose the Dallas Cowboys.  It may not yet be the true rebirth of the Oilers but it's showing some of those Run & Shoot signs.  The Titans have been curiously uneven this preseason, particularly in the ugly standoff of a game in Carolina. AFC NORTH - Pittsburgh has been better than expected given the chaos of the pending suspension of Ben Roethlisberger. Baltimore has been caled a Superbowl favorite and their new-look offense took flight against the NY Giants. The Bengals have been pretty solid all preseason, more so than I expected. The surprise darkhorse may be the Browns, who have come out firing. AFC WEST - San Diego looks solid but also a little shaky compared to last season. The Raiders benefitted from two inferior foes for their first two preseason wins, but even with that there may now be some reason to think they can go somewhere above 5-11; certainly the passing game now looks reasonable. The Broncos have put up some points but overall do not look like they believe in their coach. The Chiefs have been weak overall. NFC EAST - The Least Of The East?  Frankly no one here looks all that good.  The NY Giants clearly have lost what magic they had entering December 2008 and it will not come back after mediocre effort by their Ones all preseason. The Cowboys were exposed by the Raiders and the rout by the Texans continues to prove Tony Romo and company to be frauds.   The Redskins have been okay with a win over the Jets, but the firepower of the win over Buffalo hasn't come back yet - presumably it will when McNabb gets back. The Eagles have looked the best but not by much and the Ones' mediocre performance in KC gives pause. NFC NORTH - Cheesehead Country.  It's been a Packerpalooza so far with some spectacular offense and solid defense highlighted by the slaughter of Peyton and the Colts. The Vikings have been solid but the return of Favre has not produced the upsurge in performance most expected so far. The Lions no longer look like Destiny's Doormat and a .500 season isn't so farfetched anymore. It's the Bears and Jay Volume-Stats Cutler who now look like the division doormat.  Why anyone thought Mike Martz would help matters is a mystery. NFC SOUTH - The Patriots have defeated the two NFC South teams they've faced so far - who else in the AFC can say that?  The Saints put up points in Foxboro and they've resumed the Who Dat March down Bourbon Street with a mimi-rout of the Texans and another against the Chargers. The Falcons haven't been as prolific but have been reasonably solid overall. The Panthers have been flat all preseason, while the Bucs have shown some life but need more fire. NFC WEST - Suddenly the Rams aren't the doormat and the Cardinals have fallen back where they were. Certainly the Rams have to show up like this when the real shooting starts, but the performance of Sam Bradford under pressure gives reason to think he will do it. Meanwhile the Matt Leinart experiment died on the operating table and now the Cards have the worst possible scenario - they don't have a trustworthy quarterback.  That they beat the Bears in Week Three this preseason doesn't make them overcome the reality that the guy they needed to step up instead proved he can't do anything. The 49ers and Seahawks meanwhile have put up some quiet but solid efforts.  Pete Carroll's defensive knack has been all over the Seahawks so far but the firepower needed to win hasn't been there and it showed again in Minnesota.  The Niners meanwhile have quietly gone 3-0 and their run game made a solid appearence against the Raiders.  Right now the teams that look strongest - New England, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Houston, San Diego, New Orleans, St. Louis, Seattle, and San Francisco.  I know, Indianapolis will explode once the real season starts but I can't see other teams not hitting Manning far more now.
    Posted by STP43FAN

    I don't know what kind of drug you took to write up this useless article. 
     
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    "The Jets will destroy the Pats in Week 2".

    With that wet noodle offense?  The Jets like Brett Farce are vastly over hyped and over-rated.  They do have a chance to beat out Buffalo for 3rd place in the AFCE, however. 
     
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    One thing about making predictions off of pre-season perfomances...  you have no clue as to what the final make-up of the team will be.  The line-ups are all over the place as the coaches try different combinations to see how they work together and put players in positions to see how they perform.  I do agree with the concerns for defense to date.. saw many 3rd down lapses, the bane of the D last season.  But, we are not seeing the #1 units completely, just the continuing shuttling of players, aren't we?

    Doggg pointed to how late the O starters played in the Rams game, sheesh doggg, the time of possession for the Pats was only 16 minutes!  Brady, even though he played late into the game, was on the field for about 12 minutes or so.  I could see that argument hold water if Brady played 20 - 25 minutes.  Anyway...  if the pre-seasson were to be given the credence some here like to give it, Colts are in trouble, the Bills are the challenger, the Ravens look awesome etc.. etc...  But, we all know what the Pats accomplished in the past when their pre-seasons were horrible and the doom and gloomers were all over this board!
     
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     Are you saying that you just want to bury your head in the sand after watching that defensive debacle? If you in fact did watch it...and it was hard for any Patriots' fan to watch...you think it's ludicrous to be concerned??


    The penalties which extended several drives are correctable.  The lack of pass russ is VERY concerning.  They did mount something of a pass rush up the middle vs Atl and NO even the first unit.  That was lacking vs the Rams.  There was some of the practicing plays like Russ mentioned too.  BB was obviously upset the play was a bad as it was, especially at several silly drive sustaining penalties.  

    Agreed the offense is very good as are the STs. There is reason to be concerned particularly with how this team generates a pass rush, and how that affects the rest of the defense.  ...For whatever it means they were better at that the first two exhibition games. 


     
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    Looking at some other 'dressed rehersals' the Colts defense, the Jets offense, and Farve looked abysmal.  Miami's O has been weak. Pittsburgh won't have Ben for a while.  I'm sorta wondering which team is looking that great.

    Re the front 7 looking weak.  The two MLBs and the NG are most decidely not weak the other two DL spots are not great, maybe average.  It's the two OLB spots which are concerning.
     
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    Everyone...let's see who's really injured and who's not before we panic. BB needs a real offensive coordinator, it seems. Gris needs to take a break.
     
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    In Response to Re: Patriots Among Handful Of Teams Looking Strong So Far : "The Jets will destroy the Pats in Week 2". By how much? Care to place a wager on your prediction? What definitive injuries are you even talking about here?  All of a sudden someone who is dinged up is a cause for concern two weeks from today?
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    Can I get in on this wager too please?
     
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    Not sure the Colts are as inept as you think, OP, but other than that, I'm with you.  I do believe Manning is due a season ending injury, and if he gets it, they are toast, but I have come to respect that defense a bit over the last few years.  Having said that, we should handle them fine this year with our more varied approach, and some BIG TE help.
     
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    TBC is a good role player. 

    He's ok as in if he's the 'other' pass rusher, or if he's a reserve passing OLB he's good. He was when he was the Pats before.  He's proven he's not an every down OLB.  Being the best pass rushing OLB on a team is not good.


    Saying a scrub offense almost stole a game vs a scrub defense is pretty funny.  The Pats top D unit played well vs the Saints, and were pretty much in the bend but not break mode vs Atl. 
     
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    RE TBC   He has roven he's a role player.  He did not pan out in NE in an expanded role player before, and definitely not in SF as an every down OLB. Weren't most of his sack numbers vs Buffalo?

    I think the Pats need a better pass rush - period.
     
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