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    "Today was a sad sad day... i saw a team with not enough leadership, not enough pasion, zero hunger."

    Yes, sad but true. Where did the fight go?
     
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    And, the coaches had to know that Miami was eventually going to abandon the run and let Henne throw the ball.  Why?  Well, that's what he did in Gillette a few weeks ago with some measure of success.  I even commented on it, right here in this forum.  Unfortunately, at that time, it was noted that if Henne can throw against this defense, what would happen with Manning and Brees directing their offenses down the field.   
     
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    So just how successful has BB been in those 4th down situations. Agree that it's great to be aggressive and go for the win, but if the best play you can come up with is an inside handoff to the up-back, maybe you should take the 3 points. Play calling is an issue. And if Wes Welker is not on the field, nothing is going to happen. 
     
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    [QUOTE]     Are the 2009 New Patriots a great team?

    Do you think the team is quitting now? 
    The play in the second half looked like a team not really interested. 
    Is Moss not the player he used to be? He looked great on that first touchdown but is he a one-trick pony?  I'd like to see him run some more short and intermediate routes. Maybe he's not a problem at all but that the running back has to stay and block every play so they're down a man on offense.
    I haven't liked this O-line for years but then they went out last year and had a  great year as a rushing line. Did they get old overnight?
    When Brady has time to throw he looks great but when he's rushed he's terrible. Peyton Manning does very well under pressure and I wonder if the routes their receivers are running are that much better.
    The defense just plain stinks. They need at least two more top flight corners to be competitive and at least one star pass rusher. These are the two most expensive positions to fill on defense so they'll probably try to draft them which means at least one to two more years of misery.
    I'm starting not to like BB's ability to find quality free agents. I think he does better going after potential has-beens like Cox, Harrison and Moss. Just look at Beisel, Colvin, Thomas and Burgess as examples of how he doesn't grab good FAs. Everything can turn around in a year and no matter what you think is set in stone this year can be turned on its head the next year. I'd rather see them go young on D right now and keep drafting next year and also to try and find some FAs to play the O line while they try and figure out what they need there. This would be a good time to revisit whether or not their offense is just too studied and exposed to be good anymore and if they need some fresh minds to come in and breath some life into them. The Pats used to guess right a lot of times on defense and I'm not seeing that much anymore of course BB could be calling the absolute best play for any given situation but the players have to execute. I'm not sure who's to blame there other than Wilhite and Butler. I think they need to upgrade at least half a dozen starters on offense and defense to be elite again.
     
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    How can you say that Peyton does well under pressure when he never is under pressure? Has he been sacked 10 times this entire season? I doubt it.

    It goes well beyond the QB position. In fact, that's one of the few positions where we're set.

    I'm beginning to wonder if the real problem wasn't the loss of scott pioli. Looking at the draft class from last year, outside of volmer, I'm just seeing a bunch of JAGs. Looking at the FAs brought in for the past 2 years, I'm seeing complete duds, such as AT,  burgess, fred taylor, shawn springs, chris baker. 
     
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    Spot on TP with your grades.  Brady's throw if you look at it - back shoulder was at worst an incompletion.  Guy had inside coverage and that is exactly where the DB was.  Awful.  Missed Aiken deep two weeks in a row.  Say what you will about Aiken, but Brady's insistence on going to Moss and Welker is the deeper concern.  Team was killing guys up front with Volmer, think him out really hurts the OL.  Play calling a disaster at times.  Agreed on the Seymour Monday morning QBs - that ship sailed several years ago, and he wanted big $$.  They need a true pass rusher, and I still believe this secondary will improve.  Safeties are decent, Butler will get better, but the rest is in need of major work.  This team could still finish 10-6 win the division, and host a playoff game.  Far from the glory years, but in a year of transition, I will take it.  Most teams in transition, usually flounder around 5-11/4-12 for several years.  Expectations always huge around here, and rightly so, but take this year, and build on next.  
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    Totally agree with your point on Brady's insistence on going to Welker and Moss, before these two, his favorite receiver was the open one.  There is no way that Baker, Watson, Aiken, Eldeman, etc. cannot catch a pass once in a while when thrown their way.  Teams know now that if they cover Moss, Welker or someone out of the backfield that the ball will just be thrown away.  Look at Brees and Manning and see how many different receivers they are using - the open ones - you can't possibly cover them all and that is one of NE's major problems on offense this season.
     
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    This team does NOT need more Tight Ends in the draft.  What it needs is to drop the Tight End position all together and add a third tackle to play his butt right next to Nick Kazcur.  Brady is going to get killed unless the OLine can provide a degree of protection.
     
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    DEFENSE: It a gutless, rudderless crew, with a  defensive coordinator who doesn't seem to have a clue.


    Good to see you coming around to my way of thinking.

    As long as Pees is this team's DC the Mountain of Fail will continue to grow.

    GAME BALL: In the winning cause, Chad Henne...for showing the poise that the Pats' team has been lacking throughout the season in converting on a 4th and 6...leading to the game winning FG.    

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    BB and his staff deserve the GB for the "winning cause". Henne was merely the product of the current BB system.

    As always nice work.
     
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    The Pats of 2009 are not only two years removed from the 2007 juggernaut, they are also two years removed from having confidence they can put teams away.  This in itself is the biggest difference I have noticed in this 5 game stretch run.  The Pats have looked mighty powerful in the first half only to turn into paper tigers in the second half.  It seems the team gets down on itself so easily.  In each game it appeared to be a play that turned each game around and from that point the Pats did not play the same.  Even last year the Pats would easily make that 4th and 1 play.  This year, it seems they are too predictable.  The defense, it just does have ANY playmakers at all!  This is a common thread among the talking heads.  The Pats do not have that Rodney Harrison, Tedi Bruschi, Willie McGinnist to turn up the volume on defense and make those critical stops.  Where did A Thomas and J Mayo disappear to?  We thought they'd be leaders.  That D is a rudderless ship right now.  The ONLY thing that I can think of to give a positive spin to them now, I think to the Giants of 2007, if they can do it, so can the Pats, but, personnel wise, maybe not.  BB needs to get up on that bully pulpit and scream fire and brimstone at the team.  The players HAVE TO PERFORM, the talent is there, we seen glimpses of it!!  Why not for 60 minutes???
     
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    While the Pats do have some obvious concerns to address - I throw out this what do Indy, SD, Minn, and NO have in common?  GREAT QB play this season.  Not good to very good QB seasons, but GREAT QB seasons - to this point (although #4 laid an egg last night).  I would consider three of those four elite, although Minn laid an egg last night, and SD is playing as well as anyone right now.  Do any of the above teams have defenses that put a scare into a team?  On paper it doesn't appear so.  They typically just OUTSCORE the other team.  Look at Washington on NO yesterday.  That team might be the WORST offensive team in the league, and they put up 30+ on that vaunted NO defense.  New England is not outscoring other teams like most thought they would, and IMO it has been the inconsistent play by #12 especially in 2nd halves of several games, and I am a total Brady rumpswab.  The throw to Moss in the EZ inexcusable - back shoulder and it was a touchdown.  The guy had inside coverage, and Brady threw it inside.  We are just not used to seeing that.      

     
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    The Pats of 2009 are not only two years removed from the 2007 juggernaut, they are also two years removed from having confidence they can put teams away.  This in itself is the biggest difference I have noticed in this 5 game stretch run.  The Pats have looked mighty powerful in the first half only to turn into paper tigers in the second half.  It seems the team gets down on itself so easily.  In each game it appeared to be a play that turned each game around and from that point the Pats did not play the same.  Even last year the Pats would easily make that 4th and 1 play.  This year, it seems they are too predictable.  The defense, it just does have ANY playmakers at all!  This is a common thread among the talking heads.  The Pats do not have that Rodney Harrison, Tedi Bruschi, Willie McGinnist to turn up the volume on defense and make those critical stops.  Where did A Thomas and J Mayo disappear to?  We thought they'd be leaders.  That D is a rudderless ship right now.  The ONLY thing that I can think of to give a positive spin to them now, I think to the Giants of 2007, if they can do it, so can the Pats, but, personnel wise, maybe not.  BB needs to get up on that bully pulpit and scream fire and brimstone at the team.  The players HAVE TO PERFORM, the talent is there, we seen glimpses of it!!  Why not for 60 minutes???
    Posted by agcsbill


    Why does no one see the obvious here.... everyone is down on our players like we are starting a pop warner team yet completely glossing over the fact that the key issue is defensive play calling.  I'm not saying we are fielding an all pro team but The trend is for the D to play fairly aggressive in the first have, we build a lead, then Pees goes into prevent mode to open the second half.... maybe I'm exagerating a bit, but we have gone into prevent mode against the colts, miami etc whereas the first half the D was making plays and getting 3 and outs.... that's not all adjustments by the opposing O because we ALL can see that the D play calls are soft

    Bottom line is the players are doing what the coaches are telling them..... whether AD plays contain or rushes, or the CB presses or plays 10 yards off is Pees's call.

     
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    Hey TEX, again a very solid analysis.....

    I would like to take minor exception to two of your points:

    1.  Mayo and Guyton.... IMHO they did not have a very good game.  On several occassions they whiffed on the play and/or were totally out of the play watching the dolphins gain big yards.  As a matter of fact, MAYO has been somewhat non-existant.  With the exception of TBC, this unit has had no life in the past several weeks.

    2.  Although I agree the PATS should have been able to make 1 yard on 4th down.  Against an offensively challenged team like the Phins, every point counts. 

    The play calling for the PATS in the 4th quarter has been absolutely horrible.  They go for 2 long bombs in their last three drives, when methodical 5-10 yard passes would have killed the clock and the game.

    Brady is totally relying on Moss & Welker.  #1 and #2 in the league in receiving and we have a 7-5 team.... what does that tell you?  No more balance on offense... have they forgotten about their TE's or are the tackles that bad that they need extra protection on every pass play. 

    As for MOSS, What the......PhuK... is he hurt?  Sure looks that way....

    Defensively, I don't even know where to start.....

    a) Enemic Pass Rush
    b) Brutal Pass Coverage.
    c) Pathetic tackling
    d) 10 yard cushion on 4th and 6


    Honestly, I believe this talent has as much as 2001.  Why are we so mediocre?  We have no coaching depth behind BB.  The DC and the OC are a flipping joke and have no sense for the game.  They have been outcoached in pretty well every game this year.  2nd half used to be our strength, now it is our kryptonite. 

    The league had caught up to BB's system and without any strategic thinking outside of BB, the PATS Are Vanilla on both sides of the ball.  Totally predictable. 

    Actually like you, I was less upset with this game than with New Orleans.  This was a game we absolutely had to have.  Another blown 4th quarter and 2nd half lead.  A huge division game that would have clinched the division for us. 

    Coaching is our #1 Issue.  The Pats have played much better with less talent. 

    Sad, depressed with the reality of the 2009 Patriots.........


     





     
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    Hey TEX, again a very solid analysis..... I would like to take minor exception to two of your points: 1.  Mayo and Guyton.... IMHO they did not have a very good game.  On several occassions they whiffed on the play and/or were totally out of the play watching the dolphins gain big yards.  As a matter of fact, MAYO has been somewhat non-existant.  With the exception of TBC, this unit has had no life in the past several weeks. 2.  Although I agree the PATS should have been able to make 1 yard on 4th down.  Against an offensively challenged team like the Phins, every point counts.  The play calling for the PATS in the 4th quarter has been absolutely horrible.  They go for 2 long bombs in their last three drives, when methodical 5-10 yard passes would have killed the clock and the game. Brady is totally relying on Moss & Welker.  #1 and #2 in the league in receiving and we have a 7-5 team.... what does that tell you?  No more balance on offense... have they forgotten about their TE's or are the tackles that bad that they need extra protection on every pass play.  As for MOSS, What the......PhuK... is he hurt?  Sure looks that way.... Defensively, I don't even know where to start..... a) Enemic Pass Rush b) Brutal Pass Coverage. c) Pathetic tackling d) 10 yard cushion on 4th and 6 Honestly, I believe this talent has as much as 2001.  Why are we so mediocre?  We have no coaching depth behind BB.  The DC and the OC are a flipping joke and have no sense for the game.  They have been outcoached in pretty well every game this year.  2nd half used to be our strength, now it is our kryptonite.  The league had caught up to BB's system and without any strategic thinking outside of BB, the PATS Are Vanilla on both sides of the ball.  Totally predictable.  Actually like you, I was less upset with this game than with New Orleans.  This was a game we absolutely had to have.  Another blown 4th quarter and 2nd half lead.  A huge division game that would have clinched the division for us.  Coaching is our #1 Issue.  The Pats have played much better with less talent.  Sad, depressed with the reality of the 2009 Patriots.........  
    Posted by SmokingJoe


    Joe.... finally someone to echo my thoughts.... better DC and OC has done WAY better with less talent.  My thread about a pass rusher is about AD calling out Pees and his play calling....  Prevent D is how we lose games....

     
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    Hey TEX, are you watching the Ravens/ Packers game.

    The announcers can't say enough about the defensive play calling of Dom Capers.... I think we kept the wrong coach!

    Although I agree that this year's D squad is not as good as 2001-2004, they still could do far better with more creative coaching...

     
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    With Pees as DC we've had a leaky defense.  
     
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    TEX, one last thought.  The Pats have blown how many 4th quarter leads this year?  To me that is all Coaching, On Both sides of the ball!!!

    Agreed that pass rush is horrible....but.... Coaches have to scheme to make them more effective.... Can't do the same play 50-60 times a game... SHOW SOME CREATIVITY!

     
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    If the Pats win the division and play a  wild card team that has a better record, will the game be in NE or away?
     
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    If the Pats win the division and play a  wild card team that has a better record, will the game be in NE or away?
    Posted by Spetznaz24


    Division Winner gets the home game..... No worries.... We arn't going to win the division anyways..... we are sinking fast.........
     
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