Patriots @ Giants: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

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         The pre-season mercifully came to an end tonight for our Patriots, in a rather dull, 6-3 loss to the NY Giants. As in every pre-season game, there was some good things, some bad, and some that were downright ugly:

    I.) THE GOOD:

    1.) The Patriots' Defensive Reserves: The back-ups played well against the first team Giants' offense, in the first half, and throughout the game. There were some mistakes...such as the snafu in the secondary, which allowed WR Victor Cruz to get wide open deep, in the second quarter. There was the play where the front 7 allowed back-up Giants' QB David Carr to escape, and complete a 25 yard catch and run to reserve WR Jerrell Jernigan,  to convert on a third and long. Other than that, the "D" contained the run, tackled well, generated a decent pass rush (4 sacks), and were pretty good in pass coverage.
         The guys who particularly seemed to stand out were the reserve linebackers...Mike Rivera, Niko Koutouvides, and Jeff Tarpinian. Rivera led the team in tackles with 12, including 11 solos, and 2 tackles for losses (TFL). Koutouvides was active until he went out with a relatively minor wrist injury. He finished with 8 tackles, including 5 solos. Tarpinian had 7 tackles (6 solos), and one TFL. It's a shame that one of these guys will likely get the axe. The 2012 Patriots' LB corp appears to be the best and deepest that the Pats have fielded, in years.
         Rivera is not very fast, but, at 6'2", 255 lbs., the 26 year old ILB has the size that BB likes in a LB. The season ending injury to Dane Fletcher may have opened the door to a roster spot for him. Koutouvides  is the same height, but is 10 lbs. lighter, and is 31 years old. But, he's good on special teams, and has far more experience than Rivera. The 24 year old Tarpinian is 6'3", 240lbs.. The Pats could try to sneak him onto their practice squad.
         DEs Jermaine Cunningham two sack performance likely clinched him a roster spot. Rookie Justin Francis, the 6'4", 270 lb. rookie DE, put his best foot forward tonight with 5 tackles (4 solos), a sack, and two TFL. If he doesn't earn a roster spot, he'll never make it to the practice squad.
         In the secondary, everyone played pretty well. Some nice, hard hits by Sergio Brown...and Nate Ebner continues to impress with his inexperienced, yet instinctive play. Some decent coverage by Ras-I Dowling, who managed to make it through the pre-season, unscathed.      

    2.) RB Brandon Bolden: Likely secured a roster spot with some rugged runs. Also showed some speed to get to the outside.

    3.) RB/KR Jeff Demps: If he can hold onto the ball and stay healthy, this kid has some Darren Sproles in him. A very dangerous receiver, coming out of the backfield. But, BB needs to use him judiciously. Let Julian Edelman return punts, and use Demps to return kick-offs only.

    4.) Punter Zoltan Mesko earned his nickname, Zoltan "The Magnificent", tonight.

    II. THE BAD:

    1.) OL: Both Patriots' QBs, Hoyer and Mallett, were harried and harassed all night long. Reserve LT Darrion Weems was badly beaten on a strip sack by Giants rookie, Adewale Ojomo...which gave the Giants the game. Marcus Cannon was highly deficient in pass protection again...but did a decent job of run blocking. Again, he's better suited to play OG. In all, the G-men had 5 sacks...and that's without Jason Pierre Paul, and Justin Tuck.

    2.) QBs: Neither Ryan Mallett or Brian Hoyer distinguished themselves tonight. The question is, will BB carry three QBs...or will he release Hoyer, and roll dice that Tom Brady stays healthy? Of course, it would help immensely if these guys had better receivers to throw to, and were getting protected better.

    III. THE UGLY:

    1.) On his final punt return, I was screaming at the TV, trying to tell Jeffs Demps to just fall down...when he got clipped, and had his knee rolled by Giants' LB Steve DeOssie. It was an ugly moment for sure, watching Demps grab his knee. Fortunately, the injury doesn't appear to be serious...for after the game, Demps had his knee x-rayed, and them came out and told reporters that he was okay.

    2.) QB Sacks: It would be nice to be able to get a feel of what Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer can do. But, it's hard to get things done as a QB when you're constantly getting harassed, and running for your life. Poor pass protection was a theme throughout the pre-season. If the Pats hope for another shot at a ring in 2012, the pass protection must dramatically improve.   

         As always, your thoughts and comments are welcome. Here are the game stats:
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320829019

         Goodnight, all!

           
     
     
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         The pre-season mercifully came to an end tonight for our Patriots, in a rather dull, 6-3 loss to the NY Giants. As in every pre-season game, there was some good things, some bad, and some that were downright ugly:

    I.) THE GOOD:

    1.) The Patriots' Defensive Reserves: The back-ups played well against the first team Giants' offense, in the first half, and throughout the game. There were some mistakes...such as the snafu in the secondary, which allowed WR Victor Cruz to get wide open deep, in the second quarter. There was the play where the front 7 allowed back-up Giants' QB David Carr to escape, and complete a 25 yard catch and run to reserve WR Jerrell Jernigan,  to convert on a third and long. Other than that, the "D" contained the run, tackled well, generated a decent pass rush (4 sacks), and were pretty good in pass coverage.
         The guys who particularly seemed to stand out were the reserve linebackers...Mike Rivera, Niko Koutouvides, and Jeff Tarpinian. Rivera led the team in tackles with 12, including 11 solos, and 2 tackles for losses (TFL). Koutouvides was active until he went out with a relatively minor wrist injury. He finished with 8 tackles, including 5 solos. Tarpinian had 7 tackles (6 solos), and one TFL. It's a shame that one of these guys will likely get the axe. The 2012 Patriots' LB corp appears to be the best and deepest that the Pats have fielded, in years.
         Rivera is not very fast, but, at 6'2", 255 lbs., the 26 year old ILB has the size that BB likes in a LB. The season ending injury to Dane Fletcher may have opened the door to a roster spot for him. Koutouvides  is the same height, but is 10 lbs. lighter, and is 31 years old. But, he's good on special teams, and has far more experience than Rivera. The 24 year old Tarpinian is 6'3", 240lbs.. The Pats could try to sneak him onto their practice squad.
         DEs Jermaine Cunningham two sack performance likely clinched him a roster spot. Rookie Justin Francis, the 6'4", 270 lb. rookie DE, put his best foot forward tonight with 5 tackles (4 solos), a sack, and two TFL. If he doesn't earn a roster spot, he'll never make it to the practice squad.
         In the secondary, everyone played pretty well. Some nice, hard hits by Sergio Brown...and Nate Ebner continues to impress with his inexperienced, yet instinctive play. Some decent coverage by Ras-I Dowling, who managed to make it through the pre-season, unscathed.      

    2.) RB Brandon Bolden: Likely secured a roster spot with some rugged runs. Also showed some speed to get to the outside.

    3.) RB/KR Jeff Demps: If he can hold onto the ball and stay healthy, this kid has some Darren Sproles in him. A very dangerous receiver, coming out of the backfield. But, BB needs to use him judiciously. Let Julian Edelman return punts, and use Demps to return kick-offs only.

    4.) Punter Zoltan Mesko earned his nickname, Zoltan "The Magnificent", tonight.

    II. THE BAD:

    1.) OL: Both Patriots' QBs, Hoyer and Mallett, were harried and harassed all night long. Reserve LT Darrion Weems was badly beaten on a strip sack by Giants rookie, Adewale Ojomo...which gave the Giants the game. Marcus Cannon was highly deficient in pass protection again...but did a decent job of run blocking. Again, he's better suited to play OG. In all, the G-men had 5 sacks...and that's without Jason Pierre Paul, and Justin Tuck.

    2.) QBs: Neither Ryan Mallett or Brian Hoyer distinguished themselves tonight. The question is, will BB carry three QBs...or will he release Hoyer, and roll dice that Tom Brady stays healthy? Of course, it would help immensely if these guys had better receivers to throw to, and were getting protected better.

    III. THE UGLY:

    1.) On his final punt return, I was screaming at the TV, trying to tell Jeffs Demps to just fall down...when he got clipped, and had his knee rolled by Giants' LB Steve DeOssie. It was an ugly moment for sure, watching Demps grab his knee. Fortunately, the injury doesn't appear to be serious...for after the game, Demps had his knee x-rayed, and them came out and told reporters that he was okay.

    2.) QB Sacks: It would be nice to be able to get a feel of what Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer can do. But, it's hard to get things done as a QB when you're constantly getting harassed, and running for your life. Poor pass protection was a theme throughout the pre-season. If the Pats hope for another shot at a ring in 2012, the pass protection must dramatically improve.   

         As always, your thoughts and comments are welcome. Here are the game stats:
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320829019

         Goodnight, all!

           
     


    Good call.. I feel the same in regard to Demps, use him on kickoffs, and  a few plays a game on offense. Would really like to see him  on a bubble screen, he gets in the open field and he's gone. The O-line, Cannon in particular couldn't pass protect. Six sacks without Pierre Paul and Tuck,,....  Mallet and Hoyer didn't have much of a chance. This has to be corrected by week one or Brady wont last the season. I think it will though. Vollmer returning will help and if Waters comes back the line will be solid.  The defense has looked good all pre season.
     
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    "  There was the play where the front 7 allowed back-up Giants' QB David Carr to escape, and complete a 25 yard catch and run to reserve WR Jerrell Jernigan,  to convert on a third and long. "


    My feeling was that there was some serious holding by the O on this play, I was yelling for a flag. Dont think this play should have counted.
     
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    There were a ton of holds in that game, but it went both ways.

    I would add the entire officiating situation to the "Bad" category.  It's embarassing to watch these guys.   

     
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         The pre-season mercifully came to an end tonight for our Patriots, in a rather dull, 6-3 loss to the NY Giants. As in every pre-season game, there was some good things, some bad, and some that were downright ugly:

    I.) THE GOOD:

    1.) The Patriots' Defensive Reserves: The back-ups played well against the first team Giants' offense, in the first half, and throughout the game. There were some mistakes...such as the snafu in the secondary, which allowed WR Victor Cruz to get wide open deep, in the second quarter. There was the play where the front 7 allowed back-up Giants' QB David Carr to escape, and complete a 25 yard catch and run to reserve WR Jerrell Jernigan,  to convert on a third and long. Other than that, the "D" contained the run, tackled well, generated a decent pass rush (4 sacks), and were pretty good in pass coverage.
         The guys who particularly seemed to stand out were the reserve linebackers...Mike Rivera, Niko Koutouvides, and Jeff Tarpinian. Rivera led the team in tackles with 12, including 11 solos, and 2 tackles for losses (TFL). Koutouvides was active until he went out with a relatively minor wrist injury. He finished with 8 tackles, including 5 solos. Tarpinian had 7 tackles (6 solos), and one TFL. It's a shame that one of these guys will likely get the axe. The 2012 Patriots' LB corp appears to be the best and deepest that the Pats have fielded, in years.
         Rivera is not very fast, but, at 6'2", 255 lbs., the 26 year old ILB has the size that BB likes in a LB. The season ending injury to Dane Fletcher may have opened the door to a roster spot for him. Koutouvides  is the same height, but is 10 lbs. lighter, and is 31 years old. But, he's good on special teams, and has far more experience than Rivera. The 24 year old Tarpinian is 6'3", 240lbs.. The Pats could try to sneak him onto their practice squad.
         DEs Jermaine Cunningham two sack performance likely clinched him a roster spot. Rookie Justin Francis, the 6'4", 270 lb. rookie DE, put his best foot forward tonight with 5 tackles (4 solos), a sack, and two TFL. If he doesn't earn a roster spot, he'll never make it to the practice squad.
         In the secondary, everyone played pretty well. Some nice, hard hits by Sergio Brown...and Nate Ebner continues to impress with his inexperienced, yet instinctive play. Some decent coverage by Ras-I Dowling, who managed to make it through the pre-season, unscathed.      

    2.) RB Brandon Bolden: Likely secured a roster spot with some rugged runs. Also showed some speed to get to the outside.

    3.) RB/KR Jeff Demps: If he can hold onto the ball and stay healthy, this kid has some Darren Sproles in him. A very dangerous receiver, coming out of the backfield. But, BB needs to use him judiciously. Let Julian Edelman return punts, and use Demps to return kick-offs only.

    4.) Punter Zoltan Mesko earned his nickname, Zoltan "The Magnificent", tonight.

    II. THE BAD:

    1.) OL: Both Patriots' QBs, Hoyer and Mallett, were harried and harassed all night long. Reserve LT Darrion Weems was badly beaten on a strip sack by Giants rookie, Adewale Ojomo...which gave the Giants the game. Marcus Cannon was highly deficient in pass protection again...but did a decent job of run blocking. Again, he's better suited to play OG. In all, the G-men had 5 sacks...and that's without Jason Pierre Paul, and Justin Tuck.

    2.) QBs: Neither Ryan Mallett or Brian Hoyer distinguished themselves tonight. The question is, will BB carry three QBs...or will he release Hoyer, and roll dice that Tom Brady stays healthy? Of course, it would help immensely if these guys had better receivers to throw to, and were getting protected better.

    III. THE UGLY:

    1.) On his final punt return, I was screaming at the TV, trying to tell Jeffs Demps to just fall down...when he got clipped, and had his knee rolled by Giants' LB Steve DeOssie. It was an ugly moment for sure, watching Demps grab his knee. Fortunately, the injury doesn't appear to be serious...for after the game, Demps had his knee x-rayed, and them came out and told reporters that he was okay.

    2.) QB Sacks: It would be nice to be able to get a feel of what Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer can do. But, it's hard to get things done as a QB when you're constantly getting harassed, and running for your life. Poor pass protection was a theme throughout the pre-season. If the Pats hope for another shot at a ring in 2012, the pass protection must dramatically improve.   

         As always, your thoughts and comments are welcome. Here are the game stats:
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320829019

         Goodnight, all!

           
     


    Good call.. I feel the same in regard to Demps, use him on kickoffs, and  a few plays a game on offense. Would really like to see him  on a bubble screen, he gets in the open field and he's gone. The O-line, Cannon in particular couldn't pass protect. Six sacks without Pierre Paul and Tuck,,....  Mallet and Hoyer didn't have much of a chance. This has to be corrected by week one or Brady wont last the season. I think it will though. Vollmer returning will help and if Waters comes back the line will be solid.  The defense has looked good all pre season.

     



         Like you, I'm excited about the defense. But, the OL looks awful. But, if Vollmer is healthy, it will be good enough to get the job done. Marcus Cannon should be moved to RG, and should start. He'll be much more effective there. Center Dan Koppen is on the bubble. I'm confident that LT Nate Solder will improve in time.

         It's a tough call for BB on RB Jeff Demps. Though the initial reports are that he's okay, and that an MRI showed no damage, the Patriots are in the process of getting a ssecond opinion. Demps must either make the team, or be redshirted for the season, by being placed on IR. There's no way he'll slip through waivers, to the practice squad: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/30/jeff-demps-fine-after-precautionary-mri/

         Tough decision coming on the reserve linebackers...all of which looked good last night. Tough decision also on rookie CB Alfonzo Dennard, and safeties Sergio Brown, and Nate Ebner.  If released, they too likely won't make it through waivers.   
        

     
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    TP

    Thanks for your solid analysis. I wasn't able to see the game so I rely on you and the game thread for updates. Most of all it is good to see you contributing positiively to the board versus criticizing BB for a not being perfectly efficient using draft picks. We need all the positive energy we can get around here! 
     
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    TP

    Thanks for your solid analysis. I wasn't able to see the game so I rely on you and the game thread for updates. Most of all it is good to see you contributing positiively to the board versus criticizing BB for a not being perfectly efficient using draft picks. We need all the positive energy we can get around here! 



         Have to be concerned about the OL. The Pats badly need a heallthy Vollmer. I'm not worried about the lack of offensive productivity shown throughout the pre-season. Brady and Co. will be ready for week one, in Tennessee. 
     
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    TY

    Good pts.

    OL needs MUCH improevemnt.

    Defense looks better. 
    Offense in general has NOT looked good thus far 
    even though much is the OL fault  ...still the O needs MORE improvement

    Lacking creativity.

    I think hoyer is   gone soon enuff.. 
    4 yrs as TB understudy and he does NOT spark that offense.
     
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    TY

    Good pts.

    OL needs MUCH improevemnt.

    Defense looks better. 
    Offense in general has NOT looked good thus far 
    even though much is the OL fault  ...still the O needs MORE improvement

    Lacking creativity.

    I think hoyer is   gone soon enuff.. 
    4 yrs as TB understudy and he does NOT spark that offense.



         Ryan Mallett has been given every opportunity to unseat Brian Hoyer as the Pats' #2 QB. But, based on what I've seen, he hasn't shown enough to do so. But, because Hoyer is an UFA next year, and the Pats have had several good looking rookies (Francis, Demps, Dennard, Ebner, Bequette) that they may not wish to expose to waivers, it's possible that BB willl create another roster spot by trading or releasing Hoyer. The question is, will BB roll dice on Mallett, and on having just two QBs?

         Not concerned about the offense "lacking creativity". The Pats, as have most teams, have played vanilla ball on offense, and have sat out their top TEs and WRs throughouut training camp. They'll cut things lose, and release the big guns on week one, in Tennessee.
      
     
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    TP, I'm glad the pre-season is over.  As usual, the Pats did not really show that much or, for that matter, show well in this pre-season.  BB is done his tinkering and let's see how this season rolls out.  That o-line, though.. sheesh!!
     
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    TP, I'm glad the pre-season is over.  As usual, the Pats did not really show that much or, for that matter, show well in this pre-season.  BB is done his tinkering and let's see how this season rolls out.  That o-line, though.. sheesh!!



         Though most thought that the "D" would make or break the Pats' season...the truth of the matter is that the 2012 season depends mainly on the play of the OL.
     
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    the o-line is definitely an issue.....hopefully waters is back, they definitely need him by the looks of things so far.
     
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    the o-line is definitely an issue.....hopefully waters is back, they definitely need him by the looks of things so far.



         Signs seem to point to his coming back for one more season. His locker still remains. Waters did a similar thing last year...missing the majority of the pre-season after he was released by Kansas City. My guess is that he returns:   
         "Waters wants to play in 2012, and if he had his druthers, he would move New England closer to his home in Texas. This is a tough deal for him to move away from his family for four months and basically live out of a hotel. If this team was called the New England Texans, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. So in the end, it comes down to this, "What's in his heart?" Does he want another shot at the ring? Can he do it again for another 4 months? If the answers are yes, I think we'll see him in the coming days. If the answers are no, it's time to move on. No hard feelings."
    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/boston/chat/_/id/45069

         Even if Waters returns, the key to the Pats' OL play are the two tackles, Solder and Vollmer. Solder must improve, and Vollmer must kick his back problems, and stay healthy enough to play.
     
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    the o-line is definitely an issue.....hopefully waters is back, they definitely need him by the looks of things so far.



         Signs seem to point to his coming back for one more season. His locker still remains. Waters did a similar thing last year...missing the majority of the pre-season after he was released by Kansas City. My guess is that he returns:   
         "Waters wants to play in 2012, and if he had his druthers, he would move New England closer to his home in Texas. This is a tough deal for him to move away from his family for four months and basically live out of a hotel. If this team was called the New England Texans, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. So in the end, it comes down to this, "What's in his heart?" Does he want another shot at the ring? Can he do it again for another 4 months? If the answers are yes, I think we'll see him in the coming days. If the answers are no, it's time to move on. No hard feelings."
    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/boston/chat/_/id/45069

         Even if Waters returns, the key to the Pats' OL play are the two tackles, Solder and Vollmer. Solder must improve, and Vollmer must kick his back problems, and stay healthy enough to play.

    Yes, I agree in that it comes down to the tackle position. Vollmer looked good the other night and he's always been solid when playing. Let's hope his surgery takes care of his injury problems. Soldier needs to get better but he will, he's got the best o-line coach and it looks like a technique issue, one that can be corrected with coaching. 

    I think we will know in a few days if Waters is going to return. He will certainly help but the main issue has been at tackle. IMO we will be all set when time to play the Titans.




     
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    the o-line is definitely an issue.....hopefully waters is back, they definitely need him by the looks of things so far.



         Signs seem to point to his coming back for one more season. His locker still remains. Waters did a similar thing last year...missing the majority of the pre-season after he was released by Kansas City. My guess is that he returns:   
         "Waters wants to play in 2012, and if he had his druthers, he would move New England closer to his home in Texas. This is a tough deal for him to move away from his family for four months and basically live out of a hotel. If this team was called the New England Texans, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. So in the end, it comes down to this, "What's in his heart?" Does he want another shot at the ring? Can he do it again for another 4 months? If the answers are yes, I think we'll see him in the coming days. If the answers are no, it's time to move on. No hard feelings."
    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/boston/chat/_/id/45069

         Even if Waters returns, the key to the Pats' OL play are the two tackles, Solder and Vollmer. Solder must improve, and Vollmer must kick his back problems, and stay healthy enough to play.

    Yes, I agree in that it comes down to the tackle position. Vollmer looked good the other night and he's always been solid when playing. Let's hope his surgery takes care of his injury problems. Soldier needs to get better but he will, he's got the best o-line coach and it looks like a technique issue, one that can be corrected with coaching. 

    I think we will know in a few days if Waters is going to return. He will certainly help but the main issue has been at tackle. IMO we will be all set when time to play the Titans.




    In a nut shell I think you're right, I could also add that even if Mankins and Waters come back...how good are those two going to be? Every season is different and we're talking about two guys that have some issues - Mankin's being that he's coming off a very very serious knee injury that is only 8 months healed and Water's being that he was old LAST year. Football is funny to older players (Waters), you can find out very quickly that you're not as good as the year before.


    All in all I think the line should improve as the year goes on because that's what BB's teams do - they improve as the year goes on - it's just a matter of, will the quarterback survive long enough to see it? 

     
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         The pre-season mercifully came to an end tonight for our Patriots, in a rather dull, 6-3 loss to the NY Giants. As in every pre-season game, there was some good things, some bad, and some that were downright ugly:

    I.) THE GOOD:

    1.) The Patriots' Defensive Reserves: The back-ups played well against the first team Giants' offense, in the first half, and throughout the game. There were some mistakes...such as the snafu in the secondary, which allowed WR Victor Cruz to get wide open deep, in the second quarter. There was the play where the front 7 allowed back-up Giants' QB David Carr to escape, and complete a 25 yard catch and run to reserve WR Jerrell Jernigan,  to convert on a third and long. Other than that, the "D" contained the run, tackled well, generated a decent pass rush (4 sacks), and were pretty good in pass coverage.
         The guys who particularly seemed to stand out were the reserve linebackers...Mike Rivera, Niko Koutouvides, and Jeff Tarpinian. Rivera led the team in tackles with 12, including 11 solos, and 2 tackles for losses (TFL). Koutouvides was active until he went out with a relatively minor wrist injury. He finished with 8 tackles, including 5 solos. Tarpinian had 7 tackles (6 solos), and one TFL. It's a shame that one of these guys will likely get the axe. The 2012 Patriots' LB corp appears to be the best and deepest that the Pats have fielded, in years.
         Rivera is not very fast, but, at 6'2", 255 lbs., the 26 year old ILB has the size that BB likes in a LB. The season ending injury to Dane Fletcher may have opened the door to a roster spot for him. Koutouvides  is the same height, but is 10 lbs. lighter, and is 31 years old. But, he's good on special teams, and has far more experience than Rivera. The 24 year old Tarpinian is 6'3", 240lbs.. The Pats could try to sneak him onto their practice squad.
         DEs Jermaine Cunningham two sack performance likely clinched him a roster spot. Rookie Justin Francis, the 6'4", 270 lb. rookie DE, put his best foot forward tonight with 5 tackles (4 solos), a sack, and two TFL. If he doesn't earn a roster spot, he'll never make it to the practice squad.
         In the secondary, everyone played pretty well. Some nice, hard hits by Sergio Brown...and Nate Ebner continues to impress with his inexperienced, yet instinctive play. Some decent coverage by Ras-I Dowling, who managed to make it through the pre-season, unscathed.      

    2.) RB Brandon Bolden: Likely secured a roster spot with some rugged runs. Also showed some speed to get to the outside.

    3.) RB/KR Jeff Demps: If he can hold onto the ball and stay healthy, this kid has some Darren Sproles in him. A very dangerous receiver, coming out of the backfield. But, BB needs to use him judiciously. Let Julian Edelman return punts, and use Demps to return kick-offs only.

    4.) Punter Zoltan Mesko earned his nickname, Zoltan "The Magnificent", tonight.

    II. THE BAD:

    1.) OL: Both Patriots' QBs, Hoyer and Mallett, were harried and harassed all night long. Reserve LT Darrion Weems was badly beaten on a strip sack by Giants rookie, Adewale Ojomo...which gave the Giants the game. Marcus Cannon was highly deficient in pass protection again...but did a decent job of run blocking. Again, he's better suited to play OG. In all, the G-men had 5 sacks...and that's without Jason Pierre Paul, and Justin Tuck.

    2.) QBs: Neither Ryan Mallett or Brian Hoyer distinguished themselves tonight. The question is, will BB carry three QBs...or will he release Hoyer, and roll dice that Tom Brady stays healthy? Of course, it would help immensely if these guys had better receivers to throw to, and were getting protected better.

    III. THE UGLY:

    1.) On his final punt return, I was screaming at the TV, trying to tell Jeffs Demps to just fall down...when he got clipped, and had his knee rolled by Giants' LB Steve DeOssie. It was an ugly moment for sure, watching Demps grab his knee. Fortunately, the injury doesn't appear to be serious...for after the game, Demps had his knee x-rayed, and them came out and told reporters that he was okay.

    2.) QB Sacks: It would be nice to be able to get a feel of what Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer can do. But, it's hard to get things done as a QB when you're constantly getting harassed, and running for your life. Poor pass protection was a theme throughout the pre-season. If the Pats hope for another shot at a ring in 2012, the pass protection must dramatically improve.   

         As always, your thoughts and comments are welcome. Here are the game stats:
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320829019

         Goodnight, all!

           
     Nice texaspat! I really enjoy your break downs of the games. I have not really seen much of this Francis kid play (the games have been so boring I've gone to bed most nights). Is he really this good? I have seen plenty of Scott and Cunningham and sadly I think they are both best suited to be back ups. Cunningham did have a nice game, but to me he looks like a straightlinish type of guy that will get blocked easily by a good tackle. Scott at least has some history of production. One of these three guys is going to be cut.

     
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