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    [QUOTE]Pat, usually a fan of your posts but this is a thoughtless whine at best. Face it, 2007 is over and it has been for three years, personnel has changed drastically in that time, both on the field and among BB's braintrust.
     
    RESPONSE: Really?? What have the Patriots done since that loss? What kind of breaks have befallen them? I believe that a traumatic event leaves behind a residue of negative thoughts and expectations. Such a state of mind leads to further negative results. Look no further than the Jets and Miami. They changed their expectations and thought patterns. it has certainly played a part in the dramatic improvement of each team.     

    The defense is going to take some serious lumps and give up its share of points, period. 

    RESPONSE: That is unacceptable. That type of mind-set must change. These guys must be made to understand that failure is not an option...and will lead to changes.  

    Offensively the Pats out-thought themselves, yesterday.  They went away from a very effective first half strategy to a get the ball to Moss at all costs in the second philosophy, and other than the touchdown catch Moss was terrible.  Seems he forgot that it is easier to catch a ball when you either use two hands or neglect the impulse to pull them in when going across the middle, he should have also pulled in the opening drive pass for a touch down.

    RESPONSE: Moss is not to blame. Brady was terrible...the OL did not allow enough time for Brady to get in his comfort zone...and the running game was non-existent.

    The Pats have work to do.  But they will be contenders by the end of the year and will probably finish ahead of the Jets.

    RESPONSE: Only if the attitude on this team changes. Losing is not an option. Embarrassing efforts like we saw yesterday must cease. If the players that the Pats currently have aren't willing to pay the price, and do whatever it takes to win...it's time to make changes.

    But. unfortunately, they will never again be the 2001-2007 Patriots - and that's just a fact.

    RESPONSE: If the Patriot players, coaches, and organization adopt your attitude,  you'll be correct. People with such attitudes should be made to go elsewhere. Losing should never be tolerated, or accepted. It's a recipe for failure, not only in football, but in life.
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    [QUOTE]Seriously can you guys stop living in 04 and 07? The Pats will lose games Brady will look human at times. Your trashing the best QB this team will ever have for having one bad game.
     
    RESPONSE: That's right. I'm not trashing his career...but I am calling him out for having a horrible game...and for not taking charge of his team. How can I give an objective opinion on yesterday's game otherwise?

    It happens you know should he be held accountable? Yes but this has nothing to do with fans or anything like that. Lions fans and KC fans must be tired of losing but guess what year in and year out they are rooting and even staying while their team is getting blown out.
     
    RESPONSE: They are fools for tolerating bad football for as long as they have. Could it be that by their acceptance of poor play, that they were in fact enabling an inept organization? Had they stopped going to the games, or been more critical and vocal, perhaps the inept Matt Millen might have been fired 5 years earlier...and the KC Chiefs might have paid top dollar to land Scott Pioli two years earlier?    

    Get over the loss and act like a damn fan. Stop pouting and whining because Tom lost one game. We got the best coach and QB in the league its seriously sad to see how many actual fans this team has.

    RESPONSE: Sorry...but I won't abide my team losing games like yesterday. I'll "whine" and screech to the top of my lungs to bring a championship squad back to Foxboro. Why? Because I am a fan...who wants only to see his team striving full bore to win. When I see problems, I'm going to point them out. If you don't like it...go buy season tickets for the Bills, and put me on ignore.
         Do you really believe that BB and Tom Brady performed up to your standard yesterday, as the greatest coach and QB in the league? 

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    I've ordered a gross of clothes pins for all to stench the stench that came from this game.  Where, for all intents and purposes, has this second half swoon come from?

    In 2007, the second half was crush time for the Pats..  Then in 2008 this second half crap started to creep in.  What is most beguiling, how the offense can change its tune from one half to the next and in such a negative way?  Why not go with what worked in the first half until you are forced to adjust.  Seems the Patriots are adjusting themselves out of WINS!!  Also, could the defense have too much of .. " the offense can bail us out" with their soft play?
     
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       Wonderful missed tackle by last Sundays' hero, Gary Guyton, which sprung the hated LT on a 31 yard jaunt

    wasn't that nichovich?
     
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    Whining and screeching to other people wont get this team back to another championship and it really comes off bad I know you been on here long bud because I have been reading your stuff going back to my old account but saying every position was just flat out terrible is bar none a joke. The offensive line let up their first sack with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter and kept Brady clean all game long except for the Ellis hit.

    Do you really think the Pats are even close to the level of the Lions or Chiefs play? The Pats are an upper level team and fans are spoiled. I wont lie I expect excellence but at a certain point you gotta know hey games like this will happen its the NFL.



     Bill Belichick coaching up this defense and Tom will. Do you not believe Tom and Bill are human and go through the same things we do in the normal day? We go through struggles at work and overcome them these guys are the best at their jobs and your doubting them? Im going with the two of them even though yesterdays game was bad. You know why because this team has gone through worse. There is no one better in the NFL in studying and watching film than Tom. Yesterday was bad and he really did focus on Moss and trying to take advantage of Cromartie but the first half he was in MVP form and something happened. Im not going to throw him under the bus because our offensive coordinators brain is the size of peanut.

    Their is bigger things going on here and alot of underlying issues that run deeper than just Tom. 

    All in all the Bills will be trashed next week and as much as we wanted to beat the Jets we didnt. It happens


     
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    [QUOTE]     Welcome back to the world of the new, New England Patriots. The new New England Patriots evolved from that awful SB loss to the NY Giants, which marred an otherwise perfect 2007 season. That loss shattered the cloak of invincibility that once shrouded this team, and its great QB. The magnitude of that loss was so great that, in order for the 2007, 18-1 team to carry on with their lives, they had to force-feed themselves to accept losing. This was the Genesis of the new New England Patriots.       Since then, with each passing season, the new New England Patriots have accepted, and grown accustomed to their new losing role. In 2008, Tom Brady appeared to be sleep-walking through game one against the dreadful Kansas City Chiefs at home...until he was rudely awakened by a lunging blow to his knee, ending his season.       In 2009, the Patriots developed the art of becoming the ultimate homers. They won all eight home games, and become the masters of tanking games in the second half on the road.      The Pats were vintage 2009 again yesterday in New York, against the hated Jets. In a game eerily similar to their 16-9 defeat from last September, the Patriots folded again in the second half...as they were outscored by an embarrassing 18-0 count.       Meet the new New England Patriots, version 2010. Here are my grades: A.) OFFENSE: After completely dominating the first quarter, and the majority of the second, the new New England Patriots gradually fell back into their old, familiar pattern of play on the road...as their play gradually deteriorated in the second half.      1.) QB: Tom Brady was amiss when, during his post-game comments, he stated, "we stunk". Correction, Tom ...you stunk . Time to be a leader again, Tom, and accept personal responsibility for this stink-bomb. We're all getting tired of the post-game we'll get 'em next time rant. These second half melt-downs must end!       Want to know why the Patriot fans aren't super-charged with emotion, Tom? Because they've seen too many of these Patriot "performances" in recent years. They are tired of seeing their once great team repeatedly being humiliated during the second half of road games. These new New England Patriots have shown themselves not to be worthy of the fierce loyalty and passion that Patriot fans used to shower upon the "old" New England Patriots.       In this latest chapter in road game futility, Brady seemed to hold onto the ball for too long. He also threw his seemingly obligatory lousy long pass to Randy Moss, that end up getting picked.       While some pundits wondered aloud whether young Jets' QB, Mark Sanchez, would be confused by the BB defensive schemes...it was Brady who appeared to be the young, inexperienced, confused hand. He completed just 20 of 36 passes for 248 yards, with two TD passes, two picks, and one fumble, after getting blind-sided in the 4th quarter by 53 year old Jason Taylor; GRADE: F       2.) RBs: So much for a balanced attack. Perhaps it's time for the new New England Patriots to come to the realization that, though a RB by committee plan can work...when each RB in the committee is age 33-34, they are not as quick, not as agile, and lack the stamina of their younger years.       The combined efforts of Kevin Faulk, BenJarvis Green-Ellis, and Fred Taylor accounted for a meager 52 yards on 20 carries. It seems silly to expect the offense to be carried by a handful of 34 year old men: GRADE: F;       3.) OL: I listed three keys for success in my pre-game analysis. They were: 1. containing the Jets' running game; 2. getting some pressure on Mark Sanchez and; 3. doing an adequate job of protecting Tom Brady. Unfortunately, the Pats failed in all three areas.      For the most part, the Big Uglies did their jobs...in the first half. But, these being the new New England Patriots, the wheels came off in the second half. Special kudos to Matt Light for his ole' block on Jason Taylor, causing Tom Brady to get hammered, and fumble. GRADE: D;       4.) TEs and WRs: As I predicted, Alge Crumpler and Rob Gronkowski were used for blocking purposes, more than anything else. Wes Welker had six receptions, but netted just 38 yards. Credit the Jets' defense for containing him. Randy Moss had only two receptions for 38 yards...but one was a beautiful, one-handed TD grab, on another of those all too familiar over-thrown Brady long balls.       Aaron Hernandez proved to be a factor, with six receptions for 108 yards...as he seemed to play more as a 3rd WR, than as a TE. But, his attrocious blocking must improve. Still, he appears to be on the road to becoming a solid contributor.      Don't blame Welker or Moss for their lack of production. They had no support, as Brady was awful, the Pats had no running game, and the OL did not protect as well as was hoped; GRADE: C+; B.) DEFENSE: You-all likely saw it coming after the Pats allowed a FG in the closing seconds of the first half. The tepid, 2009 defense was back...just as it was in the 4th quarter of the Cincinnati game...and the results were equally disastrous...as the Patriots allowed Mark Sanchez to look like Peyton Manning on steroids .      Please... I don't want to see one single solitary post about how the Patriots' defense was "gassed" in the second half. The only thing that gas had to do with the Pats' defensive performance was the foul smelling odor emitted by the Patriots' defensive players on the field.       Sometimes, when the offense is not going well...the defense has to step up. Remember those days, back in 2003-2004?           1.) DL: Solid job...in the first half. But, unfortunately, each game has two halves. The team weakness at DE again shown through...as the front three, and front seven in general, could not stop the Jets pop-gun offense by air, or on the ground. The Jets ran 32 times for 136 yards...an average of 4.3 yards per run. If that stat makes you sick, try this one on for size...LT ran 11 times for 76 yards!! If Logan Mankins can play DE, the Pats should sign him immediately; GRADE: F;       2.) LBs: Jerod Mayo showed once again that he's not a leader, or a star. In this huge, emotionally charged game, he chipped in with a very pedestrian five tackles. ILB Brandon Spikes was solid, leading the team with nine (9) tackles, including five solos. Rob Ninkovich continued hustling, and looks to be a good role player. But, once again, the OLBs, aside from Tully Banta-Cain, were invisible.       Wonderful missed tackle by last Sundays' hero, Gary Guyton, which sprung the hated LT on a 31 yard jaunt, setting up the Jets' go-ahead TD. No run containment...little pass-rush...poor pass coverage.      To all you Patrick Chungsters/"how come we can't find a good OLB in the draft" types...Green Bay OLB Clay Matthews had another monster game, and is already being touted as a candidate for "Defensive Player of the Year". GRADE: D;       3.) SECONDARY: Don't you-all love that soft zone that the Patriots always seem to play in the 4th quarter? Darius Butler made me long for the days of Ellis Hobbs with his horrific play. Braylon Edwards and Dustin Keller both schooled him...in what was by far his worst performance as a Patriot. It was disturbing to watch Mark Sanchez zero in on him throughout the second half. Should this continue, the Patriots might have to draft yet another CB in the first round in the 2011 draft.      Patrick Chung can hit, and is a sure tackler. But, as I pointed out repeatedly during the pre-season, he has major issues in coverage.       Jets TE Justin Keller led his team with 7 receptions for 115 yards. That's an average of 16.4 yards per catch, folks!      For those of you who may claim that the secondary was "gassed" in the second half, breathe in these stats...as Jets QB Mark Sanchez completed 21 of 30 passes for 220 yards, three TDs, and no picks...for a 124 QB rating. Love that Patriots' defense!! GRADE: F       C.) SPECIAL TEAMS:  Brandon Tate continues to shine as a return man, averaging nearly 25 yards per return today. Good job by Julian Edelman with a pair of 13 yard punt returns. The Patriots' kick coverage was good, as usual.       There's got to be growing concern over the performance of Stephen Gostkowski. Any kick outside of 35 yards has been an adventure for him, thus far. His 37 yard first quarter FG miss was a point taker and a momentum breaker...and is unacceptable.       Zoltan "The Magnificent" has a solid day on the job, averaging 48 plus yards per punt. GRADE: C-;         D.) COACHING: The Jets were able to hold the Patriots scoreless in the second half, hold the ball for two-thirds of the half, score 18 points of their own...and were able to do this without their all-world CB, Darrelle Revis. One has to wonder why this happened yet again??      Why has BB has been unable to cure his teams' second half road blues...which has gone on ever since the above discussed SB loss...when the Pats "D" allowed the not so great Eli Manning to march his team 83 yards in the games' final two minutes, for a game winning TD.      Why do these calamities always seem to happen on the road? Is it poor coaching, lack of talent, lack of motivation, lack of heart, lack of desire, lack of intensity, bad defensive schemes, or a lack of confidence? Based on how this has become such a chronic problem for the new New England Patriots, I have to believe that it's a combination of all of the above.      Whatever the reason, SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE...AND FAST!!! I for one am sick and tired of the new New England Patriots.   GRADE: F          E.) PLAY OF THE GAME:  With the Jets trailing 14-10 midway in the 3rd quarter, facing a 3rd and one, from their own 12 yard line...Mark Sanchez hit TE Dustin Keller on a deep sideline pass for 39 yards and a drive sustaining first down...keeping what would be a TD drive alive.         F.) PLAYER OF THE GAME:  Mark Sanchez...high marks also for Dustin Keller.       Thoughts on this debacle?? Here are the horrid game stats: http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300919020               
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    You nailed it.  Get ready for similar reviews.  The Colts, Chargers, Ravens, Steelers, and Packers are in the future.  And those are just the automatic loses.  Throw in the Jets and the Dolphins as probable loses and the Bears as a possible lose. 
     
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    1st order of business is to get rid of the O-Coordinator. Man that guy is just horrible with his second half play calling. Why go away from the run in the second half? 2 runs and a throw was workiing out very well for the offense in the first half. Second half rolls around and there's Brady heaving it into double coverage expecting Randy to bail him out. Jesus at least give Moss a chance to make a play. The first Int was overthrown by 10 yards at least and the second was thrown to an area where Randy had to actually slow up and adjust to get his hand on the ball.

     
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    I must respectfully disagree with TexPat3 on several counts which, I must say is unusual for me because I find our views similar more often than not.

    First, if one is to actually assign a 'grade' (and I know that TP3 is not the only one who does this) then it should be player by player not units or sub-units as a whole.  If one cannot analyze the play of each player then I would assert that overall analysis and commentary is more helpful than a grade that in my judgment can be and frequently is somewhat arbitrary. 

    Second, I'm not sure the O line as a unit perfomed all that badly.  Granted that sack of Brady and the ensuing fumble pretty much ended the Pats' chances but I thought they were better than described.

    Third, lot of emotion in your analysis, TP3.  I agree with others who have said that this is not up to your usual standard.  And I do say that with all due respect.

    My 2 cents.
     
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    [QUOTE]Whining and screeching to other people wont get this team back to another championship and it really comes off bad I know you been on here long bud because I have been reading your stuff going back to my old account but saying every position was just flat out terrible is bar none a joke.
     
    RESPONSE: With all due respect, I think your opinion is a joke...but you're entitled to it, just as I am to mine. Are you sure you're not Underdog(gggg) undercover?? LOL!!! 

    The offensive line let up their first sack with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter and kept Brady clean all game long except for the Ellis hit.
     
    RESPONSE: The Jets sacked Brady only once last September, too...in their 16-9 win...but harried him the whole game, and hit him 23 times. Sacks are not the sole indicator of an effective pass rush. 

    Do you really think the Pats are even close to the level of the Lions or Chiefs play?

    RESPONSE: I wish, right now, those teams are playing as well or better than the Pats. How could you have watched yesterdays' game and came away with anything positive...other than nobody was hurt? 

    The Pats are an upper level team and fans are spoiled.
     
    RESPONSE: Correction...the Pats were an upper level team. The Patriots can't beat a decent team on the road right now if their lives depended on it. As to fans being spoiled...pleeaasssee. Go root for the Bills.

    I wont lie I expect excellence but at a certain point you gotta know hey games like this will happen its the NFL.
     
    RESPONSE: There was no excuse for turning in such a horrid performance against such a huge divisional rival. The Patriots stunk yesterday...and their attitude concerns me. they did some talking before the game. The Patriots, especially Tom Brady, never used to talk trash. The old New England Patriots used to do all their talking on the field.

    Bill Belichick coaching up this defense and Tom will.
     
    RESPONSE: If BB is coaching this bunch up, what were they before he started coaching them? Tom will what? Lead?? He didn't yesterday.

    Do you not believe Tom and Bill are human and go through the same things we do in the normal day?
     
    RESPONSE: Stop it already. I'm not  talking about one single mistake. I'm talking about the toughness and attitude of this football team. This is not the first "bad game" of this type. There were several in 2009 as well. Do you like the way this team is playing? Do they inspire confidence? Or...is everything OK so long as they try?? This is professional football...not Pop Warner...and the effort, toughness, and attitude being shown by this team is unacceptable.   

    We go through struggles at work and overcome them these guys are the best at their jobs and your doubting them?
     
    RESPONSE: Please...stop!! If we mess up at work the way the Pats did yesterday, unless theres' an immediate turnaround, we get fired. 

    Im going with the two of them even though yesterdays game was bad. You know why because this team has gone through worse.
     
    RESPONSE: Well, I guess you really enjoyed the 2009 season...because this team appears to be a carbon copy of that team.

    There is no one better in the NFL in studying and watching film than Tom.
     
    RESPONSE Based on what I saw yesterday, he must be watching The Three Stooges of late.

    Yesterday was bad and he really did focus on Moss and trying to take advantage of Cromartie but the first half he was in MVP form and something happened.
     
    RESPONSE: Yes...something happened. Rex Ryan made adjustments, and outcoached BB. Furthermore, the Jets' players came out hungry, hit harder, played harder, executed better, and wanted it more.  

    Im not going to throw him under the bus because our offensive coordinators brain is the size of peanut.
     
    RESPONSE: Oh...so it's the OC fault. Can you tell me who that is...because the Patriots don't have an OC. BB, in his wisdom, has decided that he doesn't need a DC or an AC. Looked like he needed some help yesterday, though.  

    Their is bigger things going on here and alot of underlying issues that run deeper than just Tom.

    RESPONSE: At last, we agree. The attitude, pride, toughness, and will to  win of this team and it's coaches is in question. Has success made BB and Tom soft and content, now that they've made their money, and gotten their personal lives are in order?  Are they still committed, first and foremost, to winning? Wasn't that commitment the very thing that made them great?  

    All in all the Bills will be trashed next week and as much as we wanted to beat the Jets we didnt. It happens

    RESPONSE: So the Pats will get 'em next week, and whip up on the lowly Bills...and have a winning record...YEAH!!! But, to be serious SB contenders, they need to handle teams like the Jets on the road...like they used to. 
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    Yesterday this team gave us exactly what was predicted by the "experts."  A polarizing effort that made the Jets look good.  Frankly, Jets' fans, let's be honest here:  Your team is no where near as good as it showed yesterday. It's not.  And the Pats aren't as good as they showed against Cinci.

    To be fair, this Pats team is going to end up somewhere around 11-5.  If they cannot handle this Jets team, which so far has played exactly one half of solid football, the Pats will struggle mightily against the elite teams in this league. Hosting Buffalo at home next week is nothing short of a blessing.  Pats will go to 2-1 next week, but neither the Pats nor the Jets is ready to play the big boys.

    All I know is, Miami is now on top and rightfully so.  They've played both sides of the ball for two complete games now. 

    But Jets' fans, know this: our teams will split the division rivalry this year.  Mark it.
     
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    I think some of us here would be kinder to Brady if yesterday's game was the exception. The problem is, as of late, it's been the rule. 

    The Pats/Brady have consistently tanked in the 2nd half going all the way back to 2008 and including last year. Brady has consistently not come through in the 2nd half, in clutch situations, and in fact has hurt us by throwing picks and forcing the ball on many an occasion. The Jets game, Ravens playoff game from last year, and count most of our road game from last year as well. 

    On the offensive side of the ball, all fingers point to TB, the Oline and O'Brien. one thing i can't tell is whether some of the decisions yesterday are Brady, O'brien or a combo of both. I don't know how much flexibility Brady has with playcalling/optioning at the line, or if O'Brien calls it in and thats the play that they run?....Anybody know? I wish I knew how much is Brady and poor decisions vs. terrible playcalling?





     
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    [QUOTE]TP - I'm becoming a firm believer that the signing of Randy Moss was a mistake and began the decline of Brady as a superstar quarterback. Yes, 2007 was nearly unbelievably special with Brady and Moss. But having Moss is now a liability for Brady. Brady used to be the guy spreading the ball around to whomever was the open receiver; every game someone new became the number one guy. Now this offense, except for the occasion where Welker catches them by the bunch, is almost exclusively Moss going deep and Brady forcing it into whatever coverage is on Moss, and increasingly with disasterous results. Combine this over-reliance on Moss with the poor coaching and play-calling of O'Brien, and there you have your receipe for disaster week in and week out against better squads. Yes, you will still have the weeks where everything goes great and Tom and Randy are wonderful, but when was the last time that happened against a good team?
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    > I'm becoming a firm believer that the signing of Randy Moss was a mistake and began the decline of Brady as a superstar quarterback.

    Agreed!

    And Moss is a pathetic blocker on running plays, which might help explain, in part, our struggles to run the ball. 


     

     
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    Either Brady is forcing the ball to Moss or the coaching staff's halftime "adjustment" was to go after any CB not named Revis.  Just because Revis is out of the game, do you have to trash the gameplan that seemed to be working so well?

    I think the defense will come along.  In tight games, or when the Pats are down, I hope we don't continually see Brady going to Moss when there is nothing there.  If anything, let's see more Welker, Edelman, Hernandez, Tate, etc.  I want the days when Brady's favorite receiver was the open one.   

     
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    Wow Tex. I don't think you've ever given the Pats such a dreadful report-card- and yes, it's richly deserved.
    Tom did misspeak- he stunk. (though he did have quite the cast of supporting stinkers) All in all- his poor play hut the Pats the most.
    Like you... I find myself pissed and perplexed.
    BB also richly deserves the big fat F. I don't know what has happened to his ability to adjust and get creative with plays.
    The 2nd half meltdown is beyond old. No excuse.

    I don't think the Jets really contained Wes. I just don't think Brady looked beyond Moss much in the 2nd half... at all. Ridiculous. And though many of his throws were off- I wasn't impressed by Randy's efforts either. Once he bested Revis- and Revis left the game- it seemed like Tom and Randy just thought they could be the show.

    What's happened to "humble pie"- and T-E- A- M.
    Ugly, ugly, ugly display of mediocrity.
     
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    [QUOTE]But on the plus side, we got rid of Maroney.
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    Sir you have done it. You have taken the most miserable day in the last week and made it WONDERFUL.......Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Laura Maroney has left the building, Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh Thank You!Innocent
     
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     "In 2008, Tom Brady appeared to be sleep-walking through game one against the dreadful Kansas City Chiefs at home...until he was rudely awakened by a lunging blow to his knee, ending his season. "

    Hate much.......He played like 2 series.
     
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    TPat,

    Thanks for the analysis once again.

    Only thing I dispute is your statement that "the big uglies did their job".

    Well, not exactly. The 3 man rush, Jason Taylor, strip sack was just plain horrible. While it does happen, it should NEVER happen in your opponents end of the field.

    And while I don't think we have a marquee RB, people got to realize that with the crappy run blocking provided by our O-Line and TE, it doesn't matter who is touching the ball. Our O-Line, while is effective in pass blocking, is absolutely horrible.

    Bo Jackson or Barry Sanders could be our RB and with the kind of blocking we've been seeing, they wouldn't get anywhere either.
     
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    One other thing.....while Tom Brady was horrible, he doesn't block, he doesn't catch, he doesn't run (as in running back), he doesn't defend WR's, doesn't drop back in pass coverage, etc, etc, etc.

    Everyone wants Tom to put the team on his back, which essentially what a leader does. But you need your supporting cast to show up and do their part.

    For that, they ALL stunk.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Patriots @ Jets REPORT CARD : />  I'm becoming a firm believer that the signing of Randy Moss was a mistake and began the decline of Brady as a superstar quarterback. Agreed! And Moss is a pathetic blocker on running plays, which might help explain, in part, our struggles to run the ball.  Dish TV  
    Posted by expertmike[/QUOTE]

         This absurd theory was initially concocted up by the anti-Moss/anti/Patriots media...and is now being used by some Patriots' fans to excuse the decline in play of Tom Brady, and the Patriots' running game. Nothing could be further from the truth:

    1.) 2007: Moss was sensational in his first year as a Patriot...as he and Brady set records TD receptions (23) and TD passes (50). A little refresher, folks...the Pats went unbeaten the season. But for some horrid OL play, and the failure by the Dean Pees defense to stop Eli Manning from going 83 yards in the final two minutes, the 2007 Patriots would have been considered the greatest NFL team of all-time;

    2.) 2008: Brady didn't play...yet Moss and Welker made Matt Cassel look like a pro-bowl QB;

    3.) 2009: The Patriots' offense was humming again...but their defense was awful...unable to stop even pedestrian opposing QBs. Their run defense also has shown to be suspect. What does Randy Moss have to do with that?

         As for the Patriots' running game deteriorating, the Patriots have gotten alot of mileage out of offensive lineman like Nick Kaczur and Dan Koppen. From 2005-2008, the Patriots failed to upgrade the OL in any manner. Finally, last year they struck gold with relatively little known Sebastien Vollmer. Matt Light appears to be on his last legs at LT...and Logan Mankins is holding out.

         At RB, BB's trade for Corey Dillon bolstered the running game in 2004-2005. In 2006, the Patriots' used their #1 draft choice to select RB Laurence Maroney, who, for the most part, was a disappointment. As a result, they've been forced to go with a RB by committee approach...with a bunch of re-tread RBs like Sammy Morris and Fred Taylor.

         Folks...for these reasons the Pats have been left with a mediocre, finesse-type OL, and a bunch of old, re-tread RBs. A series of poor drafts, in which the Patriots' tried in vain to rebuild their LBs and secondary...have led to the deterioration of the running attack...NOT Randy Moss!!!!    

        
     
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    The Jets are a high-rated team and they wanted this one home game.  Ryan was willing to pull his best running back out of the Baltimore game and bench him, because that game didn't count as much to Ryan, and in fact the Jets lost that game.  This is the game they planned for.  The Jets had the same attitude last year, when they went 7 and 7 but they really wanted to beat the Pats.

    As usual, Tex's grades are too tough.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Patriots @ Jets REPORT CARD :      This absurd theory was initially concocted up by the anti-Moss/anti/Patriots media...and is now being used by some Patriots' fans to excuse the decline in play of Tom Brady, and the Patriots' running game. Nothing could be further from the truth: 1.) 2007: Moss was sensational in his first year as a Patriot...as he and Brady set records TD receptions (23) and TD passes (50). A little refresher, folks...the Pats went unbeaten the season. But for some horrid OL play, and the failure by the Dean Pees defense to stop Eli Manning from going 83 yards in the final two minutes, the 2007 Patriots would have been considered the greatest NFL team of all-time; 2.) 2008: Brady didn't play...yet Moss and Welker made Matt Cassel look like a pro-bowl QB; 3.) 2009: The Patriots' offense was humming again...but their defense was awful...unable to stop even pedestrian opposing QBs. Their run defense also has shown to be suspect. What does Randy Moss have to do with that?      As for the Patriots' running game deteriorating, the Patriots have gotten alot of mileage out of offensive lineman like Nick Kaczur and Dan Koppen. From 2005-2008, the Patriots failed to upgrade the OL in any manner. Finally, last year they struck gold with relatively little known Sebastien Vollmer. Matt Light appears to be on his last legs at LT...and Logan Mankins is holding out.      At RB, BB's trade for Corey Dillon bolstered the running game in 2004-2005. In 2006, the Patriots' used their #1 draft choice to select RB Laurence Maroney, who, for the most part, was a disappointment. As a result, they've been forced to go with a RB by committee approach...with a bunch of re-tread RBs like Sammy Morris and Fred Taylor.      Folks...for these reasons the Pats have been left with a mediocre, finesse-type OL, and a bunch of old, re-tread RBs. A series of poor drafts, in which the Patriots' tried in vain to rebuild their LBs and secondary...have led to the deterioration of the running attack...NOT Randy Moss!!!!         
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]


    You couldn't be further off base if you tried.

    I said they were wonderful in 2007 and it was something to behold. However, in 2008 and 2009, who exactly did the the Patriots beat with their vaunted Moss-led offense (Brady or Cassel)? What good teams did they defeat, or is it fine for you for Brady and Moss to hook up for big numbers against crappy defenses? How many times have you seen the Pats offense look great in the first half, only to see Brady continue to force the ball to Moss in the second half into double and triple coverage? There are several reasons attributable to why (opposing DC's actually making half-time adjustments while the Pats, O'Brien AND BRADY fail to recognize them and counter), and Tommy just can't help himself heaving the ball into his favorite receiver's coverage even if he's not open.

    And if you read the whole post, that was the point; four years ago, if his first half target was taken away, Brady would find the open receiver whether that was a tight end, running back, flanker, it didn't matter.The point is Brady is way, way, way too dependant on having Moss as his #1 target and its to the team's detriment. I never said either player wasn't tremendous, but Moss is affecting Brady's play for the last 18 games and the coaching staff's weaknesses aren't helping matters. If you watched the Jets game, you'd see that manifested in the second half as the tight ends and Welker were basically ignored.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Patriots @ Jets REPORT CARD : You couldn't be further off base if you tried. I said they were wonderful in 2007 and it was something to behold. However, in 2008 and 2009, who exactly did the the Patriots beat with their vaunted Moss-led offense (Brady or Cassel)? What good teams did they defeat, or is it fine for you for Brady and Moss to hook up for big numbers against crappy defenses? How many times have you seen the Pats offense look great in the first half, only to see Brady continue to force the ball to Moss in the second half into double and triple coverage? There are several reasons attributable to why (opposing DC's actually making half-time adjustments while the Pats, O'Brien AND BRADY fail to recognize them and counter), and Tommy just can't help himself heaving the ball into his favorite receiver's coverage even if he's not open. And if you read the whole post, that was the point; four years ago, if his first half target was taken away, Brady would find the open receiver whether that was a tight end, running back, flanker, it didn't matter.The point is Brady is way, way, way too dependant on having Moss as his #1 target and its to the team's detriment. I never said either player wasn't tremendous, but Moss is affecting Brady's play for the last 18 games and the coaching staff's weaknesses aren't helping matters. If you watched the Jets game, you'd see that manifested in the second half as the tight ends and Welker were basically ignored.
    Posted by sml1210[/QUOTE]

         Oh...I see. The Pats' didn't beat anybody good in 2008 because they relied too heavily on Moss, or because Moss is overrated. It had nothing to do with Brady missing the season, Mayo missing part of that season, Seymour missing part of that season, warren missing most of that season, or poor secondary play. Yeah...OK.   

          In 2009, it had nothing to do with Brady still dealing with the rust from missing 2008, Richard Seymour being gone, Ty Warren being out for almost the entire season, Mike Vrabel being gone, lack of a 3rd WR (I mean...Sam Aiken??), poor secondary play, lack of a pass-rush, and Stephen Neal missing most of the season.

         And I'm the one who is off-base??? 

         LOL!!!!!
     
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    [QUOTE] "In 2008, Tom Brady appeared to be sleep-walking through game one against the dreadful Kansas City Chiefs at home...until he was rudely awakened by a lunging blow to his knee, ending his season. " Hate much.......He played like 2 series.
    Posted by Tcal2[/QUOTE]

         Hate?? Pleeaassseee!! Just my opinion. I call 'em as I see 'em...and Brady was playing like he was still depressed over the SB loss...before the injury.  
     
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    [QUOTE]One other thing.....while Tom Brady was horrible, he doesn't block, he doesn't catch, he doesn't run (as in running back), he doesn't defend WR's, doesn't drop back in pass coverage, etc, etc, etc. Everyone wants Tom to put the team on his back, which essentially what a leader does. But you need your supporting cast to show up and do their part. For that, they ALL stunk.
    Posted by 4Adam13[/QUOTE]

         Amen, brother. Sunday wwas a team loss...and the team should be ashamed of the way they played...and that includes BB and the coaching staff. 
     
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    [QUOTE]TPat, Thanks for the analysis once again. Only thing I dispute is your statement that "the big uglies did their job". Well, not exactly.
     
    RESPONSE: Adam, if you go back and re-read my comments on the OL, you'll see that I stated, "the big uglies did their job...in the first half"

    The 3 man rush, Jason Taylor, strip sack was just plain horrible. While it does happen, it should NEVER happen in your opponents end of the field. And while I don't think we have a marquee RB, people got to realize that with the crappy run blocking provided by our O-Line and TE, it doesn't matter who is touching the ball. Our O-Line, while is effective in pass blocking, is absolutely horrible. Bo Jackson or Barry Sanders could be our RB and with the kind of blocking we've been seeing, they wouldn't get anywhere either.

    RESPONSE: I tend to agree. In the second half, the OL was terrible...and blind-side hits on a team's QB cannot ever be allowed. Only the OL's decent play in the first half saved from from getting an "F".
    Posted by 4Adam13[/QUOTE]
     

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