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    Little Bill Belichick coached as if he was asleep, passing up FGs, going for it on 4th & 4, and pulling the plug and conceding the game instead of playing 60 minutes. Yes, they were down 21 with 5:26 left, but when you have Tom Brady and Randy Moss and 2 timeouts, why give up? I doubt Peyton Manning comes out of the game if the Colts are down 21 with 5:26 to play and two timeouts.


    I tend to think Little Bill was afraid if he didn't throw in the towel that the Saints would keep playing full throttle and score 52 on him. And Little Bill only likes it when he's on the giving end of such scores.


    He's a punk.

     
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    In Response to Re: Patriots @ Saints REPORT CARD : You're giving up on the team because they lost a regular season game?  Pull yourself together man.  The mighty Patriots aren't beat yet.
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    Exactly. The defense is still one of the stingiest in the league. They got burned against two good teams(NO, IND) with great QBs. Other than that they held their own.
     
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    In 2004 the Pats lost to the Steelers in the regular season by 2 TDs, then came back to beat them in the Conference finals by 2 TDs. Not saying it will happen again, and I have less confidence in this year's team, but there is precedent for Pats being able to perform remarkable turnabouts. Also, let's remember that this is still a young defensive unit. We can hope that they learn from this experience and get better as a unit.
     
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    TexPat, I'm glad you took the time to do this because hopefully we can all just agree it was one of the worst games in a long time and move on to Miami and Oggieman. They needed to come out and hit on all cylinders in all three phases and didn't play well in any of them. Saints kicked butt bottom line.

    To me it seemed like they were trying to stretch the field too early on offense. I myself wouldn't mind seeing Charlie come back and take five yard plays all day long like they used to. Remember the death by a thousand slices offense we used to run to keep the opposing D on the field until they were dead and then open it up.

    I honestly can't add anything but negativity to what happened on D so I'd rather not. We all saw the game. All I can say is they need to improve big time if they think they're going somewhere in the playoffs.

     
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    Molgen..thats a nice way of lookin at it...and normally I would agree with you...but we already went thru this 3 weeks ago, so thats what is disturbing..everyone talked about not letting what happened in Indy happen again..we already had played the Colts at Lucas...we should have been prepared..and frankly I dont see it turning on suddenly in the playoffs...Each year that goes by..we look more vulnerable in the playoffs...Evenin 07..with the team we had we didnt blow anyone out in the playoffs...so I dont know..I think this is a glorified rebuilding year...
    Posted by patsfan76

    The 2004 team was mentally tough. This year's team, particularly the defense, seems too young still. May need another year, or two, of learning and toughening.
     
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    Hi Texas.

    My only thought after reflecting upon the fiasco I watched last night, is that the Saints would have beaten any team - present or past - that had the misfortune of playing them in the Super Dome on this particular Monday. The crowd, the buzz in the city, even the full moon seemed to portend well for the Saints. 

    You are right in your assessments though I think you're too easy on the special teams. Gostcowki never hit a kick off into the end zone as did the Saints kicker all night long, taking away our return game.
     
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    Let's all take a deep breath here and think back about 4-5 weeks ago when we were looking at the upcoming schedule.  We knew the Pats were going to have tough games against Indy and New Orleans.  I, along with many other posters, were stating that if the Pats won the next 3 out of 5, they would be in good shape.  Right now, they are 2-2, going into Miami for another tough game.  Let's not fall into the trap of throwing the whole team and coaching staff under the bus.  A loss is a loss, no matter the score.  Did they stink up the joint last night, absolutely.  But, it happens.  Playoffs are the second season.  Let's win out in the division and move on.  Stay strong, people.
    Posted by southernpat


    The Pats haven't beaten a truly good team since 2007.

    This season, they're winless on the road (beating 1-10 TB at a neutral site doesn't count).

    Now that they lost, last night, the Pats are behind Cincy and SD for the #2 seed. If they lose at Miami, the #3 seed is in jepordy. How important is the 3-spot? Let's put it this way: Pittsburgh will likely run the table and finish 11-5. Since they are 3 games behind Cincy, they will settle for the #5 seeded Wild Card. That means they'll play the #4 seed. I don't think the Steelers are a good match for the Pats, even in Foxboro.

    Since the Pats won't get either top 2 seeds, they'll likely have to beat TWO tough teams on the road.

    But, I agree. I need to take a deep breath and put my faith in a team that can neither stop great QBs nor beat good teams on the road.

    Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?
     
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    Tex, Patsfan.....  both of you are echoing a thought I had since the game last evening.  On the Saints first possession, drive down the field, it is looking like they are going to put the first TD on the board.  The D gets a 3rd down stop, (wow, what is that?!) and the Saints settle for a FG.  The Pats get the ball and answer with a TD, talk about deflating the Saints in the early going and giving them the thought Brady is gonna pick us apart like everyone said he may.  D stops the Saints again and Welker gets a great punt return to midfield.  You can hear the salivating from the Pats O starting a mid-field given how they did on the fiirst possession.  First play, Brady makes an ill-advised throw and the pick.  From that point forward the Saints carried the game, they now felt they COULD stop the Pats while we get a totally different feel from the Pats with no where near the effort and confidence from that first drive.  I felt that sequence set the tone for the rest of the game.
     
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    Thx TexPat for your weekly report.

    QB: You were too kind with Brady with a D-, I would have given a BIG FAT F. We can say whatever we want about the lack of pass rush and that Peyton, Drew and whoever when given the time would shred any defense but that seems not to be the case with Tom Brady. His last interception was a bonehead throw! He was elusive enough in the pocket, buying himself enough time and then threw the ball in a place where there were absolutely no WR in sight. His first interception was also awful: a floating pass over the middle of the field. I could have thrown the same interception without any pb.

    OL: I totally agree with you that Vollmer was missed. The only positive is that we know who is our LT of the future. Hasn't Vollmer a little brother who can fill the gap at RT? Kazur had his too usual bad game VS a good team.

    WR: slowly but surely I get the bad feeling that Moss has lost a step: he doesn't seem to get separation any longer, he not fighting for the ball. Welker is Brady's prime target, not Moss any more. That worries me...

    Coaching: I would have given them a BIG S (S like shameful): waving the white flag with more than 5mins on the clock??? Isn't a Hall of fame QB able to score 2 TDs in less than 5 mins? The chances were pretty slim but no one knows, 2 quick TDs and an onside kick could have tied the game, but no, Bill opted for the coward and shameful option.

    All in all, as a fan, I felt it was one of worst game of the Pats in a very long time.
     
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    Thx TexPat for your weekly report. QB: You were too kind with Brady with a D-, I would have given a BIG FAT F. We can say whatever we want about the lack of pass rush and that Peyton, Drew and whoever when given the time would shred any defense but that seems not to be the case with Tom Brady. His last interception was a bonehead throw! He was elusive enough in the pocket, buying himself enough time and then threw the ball in a place where there were absolutely no WR in sight. His first interception was also awful: a floating pass over the middle of the field. I could have thrown the same interception without any pb. OL: I totally agree with you that Vollmer was missed. The only positive is that we know who is our LT of the future. Hasn't Vollmer a little brother who can fill the gap at RT? Kazur had his too usual bad game VS a good team. WR: slowly but surely I get the bad feeling that Moss has lost a step: he doesn't seem to get separation any longer, he not fighting for the ball. Welker is Brady's prime target, not Moss any more. That worries me... Coaching: I would have given them a BIG S (S like shameful): waving the white flag with more than 5mins on the clock??? Isn't a Hall of fame QB able to score 2 TDs in less than 5 mins? The chances were pretty slim but no one knows, 2 quick TDs and an onside kick could have tied the game, but no, Bill opted for the coward and shameful option. All in all, as a fan, I felt it was one of worst game of the Pats in a very long time.
    Posted by FrogLegs

    21 points is 3TD's.  This isn't peewee football there is no trophy for trying hard.  The game was over, the pats didn't need to injure somebody trying to only lose by 7 or 14, they are still trying to get to the playoffs.
     
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    /> The game was over, the pats didn't need to injure somebody trying to only
    /> lose by 7 or 14

    Really? Then why were the starters still on the field when NE was leading 31-14 at the end of the 4th quarter VS the jets?

    />  they are still trying to get to the playoffs.

    They just need to win VS the Dolphins to reach the playoffs. Still by playing the way they play at this time they won't last long in the playoffs.
     
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    FrogLegs got me thinking...


    I hate it and am still denying it, but Moss isn't the same (age, almost certainly). Added to that, Tom Terrific unfortunately hasn't really gelled with the other WRs (obviously except Welker), and we are not fielding A+ players out there.

    Those 3 things lead me to this:

    While I was watching the game, a feeling washed over me that somehow a torch was being passed.
    Not TO the Saints necessarily (although, possibly), but we're simply laying out the torch to allow others to grab and go with it.

    I felt this way about the Celts after the Parish, McHale, Bird, Johnson & Ainge days were over. Then with the Celts and recently with the Pats, we had a great team and a great bench.

    Those days are gone.
    We're going to be watching an incremental decline; hopefully, not one lasting years and years.

    Mr Kraft, do you see this?
     
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    Can't win with 2nd and 3rd rounders.  You need the studs . trade up not down.  Go for quality not quantity. Poor drafing has left the Pats with no super pass rusher no super corners and no super outside linebackers.  The media always points to the cap but this doen't seem to bother the Colts Steelers or Vikes.  BB is starting to look like Cleveland all over again without the horses.  The Pats are totally no competative this year.   They didn't learn a thing fropm the Rache Cauldwell affair.  With the supporting cast the Pats are mediocre at best and will only make the playoffs because of a weak stinking division.
     
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    Yup here we go here we go here we go again...Red Soxs 80 yrs w/o a team ,Celts 20 yrs,  Bruins too long to remember.  Camelot is gone in Foxboro unless they trade up instead of down.  Quality over quantity.  You can always pick up mediocre players..The draft, the draft the draft is where you find the studs but you have to be willing to pay the price.  Seymour, oh Seymour where have you gone?
     
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