Patriots' Cap and IR Ramifications

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    Yet they win. Regardless of the season's outcome, this has been and will continue to be one hell of a ride!!!

     
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    I have to say this does illustrate the value of BBs less than orthodox approach to building a roster each year. It is made easier by having Brady and strong weekly coaching... a lot easier.... but we did the same sort of thing in 2008 when Brady went down. So it keeps proving itself... BB keeps proving his approach works.

     
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    One cannot confuse the amount of money tied up in a player to his value to the team.  Fat Vince had become merely average, except on the scale where he continued to be the fattest.  10 mil tied up in him alone.  His loss will actually help the cap hell Pats next year.  Instead of having to pay him another 10 mil to be fat and a shadow (a huge shadow) of his former self, they will be able to release him and have a smaller cap hit.  Fat Vince is all done playing football.

     
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    In response to DeadAhead's comment:

    In response to portfolio1's comment:

    I have to say this does illustrate the value of BBs less than orthodox approach to building a roster each year. It is made easier by having Brady and strong weekly coaching... a lot easier.... but we did the same sort of thing in 2008 when Brady went down. So it keeps proving itself... BB keeps proving his approach works.



    Exactly. The other teams on the list were supposed to be playoff teams and are not.  All of them have had some questionable drafts and/or poor salary allocation to certain parts of their rosters.

    Giants, Texans and Rams (not necesarily a playoff bound team) jump right off the page in that area.

    This should clearly put the discussions to bed. There has been no greater GM in the histor of the cap era, hence, of all time.

    BB is the best year in and year out.



    How does a guy that is "the best" not win a superbowl in a decade?

     
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    I have to say this does illustrate the value of BBs less than orthodox approach to building a roster each year. It is made easier by having Brady and strong weekly coaching... a lot easier.... but we did the same sort of thing in 2008 when Brady went down. So it keeps proving itself... BB keeps proving his approach works.




    +1 x 1000

     
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    In response to DeadAhead's comment:

    In response to portfolio1's comment:

    I have to say this does illustrate the value of BBs less than orthodox approach to building a roster each year. It is made easier by having Brady and strong weekly coaching... a lot easier.... but we did the same sort of thing in 2008 when Brady went down. So it keeps proving itself... BB keeps proving his approach works.



    Exactly. The other teams on the list were supposed to be playoff teams and are not.  All of them have had some questionable drafts and/or poor salary allocation to certain parts of their rosters.

    Giants, Texans and Rams (not necesarily a playoff bound team) jump right off the page in that area.

    This should clearly put the discussions to bed. There has been no greater GM in the histor of the cap era, hence, of all time.

    BB is the best year in and year out.



    not quite  :  )

    sorry but Bellichick's drafting of WR's pass rushers and overall defensive talent has been mediocre and he has not rebuilt a better than average quality defense since the players he inherited from Parcells got old and/or retired...and that same D melted more than once in the clutch and benefitted from the offensive machine that made opponents one dimension ie: playing catch up and passing almost exclusively...how a defensive "genius" is so mediocre at spotting defensive talent and at key positions year after year is amazing..again not good at drafting backliners nor pass rushers

    6 years into his "rebuild on the fly" and his D strikes no fear in the heart of anyone, doesn't have a consistent (at times existent) pass rush, cannot be counted on in the clutch and will not be the reason the Pats win most times

    See that old bug-a-boo ie: the guy he had to be told to draft and played due to an injury-covers a multitude of sins as does the perrenially inept division competition

    and Bellichick has had noted failures drafting wide receivers and the fact that the Pats got anything to some production out of them lies again more with that ol bug a boo than anything else...

    and then there are such signings as Ocho Cinco and Haynesworth- among others-that look ridiculous on any rational level

    see Russ ur buddy Babe has it right all along: Bill Bellichick is a great coach and great defensive mind-all time great-and he has proven to be able to win with prolific offense too

    Bill Bellichick the GM is average to good (at best) and benefits from things that make his mediocrity and mistakes less fatal than they would for others

    hence: not the best in this or any other era

     
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    BB is the best GM of the cap era, hence of all time.

    The board awaits your thread, Gunty.  Start a thread that tells the board why pre cap era was as (or more) difficult to build a team back then as opposed in the cap era.

    If you don't do this, you will not have effectively countered the fact that BB is the best GM of all time.

    Either name the better/more successful GM of the cap era or you lose.

     




    as usual ur deflection misses the point. I have stated above why bill bellichick is not a great GM-period. That is my statement and it is backed up quite nicely thank you. The success u brag of has more to do with the QB and bill bellichick the head coach/DC than bill bellichick the GM. IN FACT any GM could be average and win with Tim Brady Bill Bellick the Coach and to an extent a perrenially average to poor division....now do u get this or will u deflect again?

     
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    In response to DeadAhead's comment:

    BB is the best GM of the cap era, hence of all time.

    The board awaits your thread, Gunty.  Start a thread that tells the board why pre cap era was as (or more) difficult to build a team back then as opposed in the cap era.

    If you don't do this, you will not have effectively countered the fact that BB is the best GM of all time.

    Either name the better/more successful GM of the cap era or you lose.

     




    Name ONE GM of the year award BB has won or YOU LOSE.

      Pioli won 3 times since the cap twice with the Pats and once with the chiefs, but never BB.

    Polian has won it 5 times but literally took a dive after losing his HoF qbs.  Fraud.

    But if you insist on giving him credit for a position he does not hold and refuse to acknowledge that the HC and GM positions are similar in the team building aspect, which both are equally responsible for, then....

    Newsome,  would be my pick as Balty has consistently been a force in the past 18 years and has done it without a Brady or Manning or Big Ben, instead electing to take out the elite with defense.  Something BB used to do.  He's also had BB's number lately as Bb has been more offense driven for years now and has forgotten about what won him his rings, DEFENSE and a good O.

    Yes, it's difficult to maintain both in a cap situation. no doubt.  But if you are savvy enough to do it (have a good o & D) and compete with a well rounded team, then that would put you in the drivers seat.

    BB might be the captain of his vessel but unfortunately hasn't been in the drivers seat with a complete team for quite some time.  He really needs to stay away from fossilized and permanently disabled players too.  Definitely NOT money well spent.

    TB can't bail him out forever with on the field play and cap relief.

    Oh, and in case you question,  I HATE THE RAVENS!  The same way most non NE fans hate the Pats.  But, you have to give them their due and I am

    I couldn't care less if you agree.

    Thanks for playing.

     
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    In response to MeadowlandMike's comment:

    In response to DeadAhead's comment:

     

    In response to portfolio1's comment:

    I have to say this does illustrate the value of BBs less than orthodox approach to building a roster each year. It is made easier by having Brady and strong weekly coaching... a lot easier.... but we did the same sort of thing in 2008 when Brady went down. So it keeps proving itself... BB keeps proving his approach works.

     



    Exactly. The other teams on the list were supposed to be playoff teams and are not.  All of them have had some questionable drafts and/or poor salary allocation to certain parts of their rosters.

     

    Giants, Texans and Rams (not necesarily a playoff bound team) jump right off the page in that area.

    This should clearly put the discussions to bed. There has been no greater GM in the histor of the cap era, hence, of all time.

    BB is the best year in and year out.



    How does a guy that is "the best" not win a superbowl in a decade?

    13 years

    11 AFC East titles (84.6 %)

    5 Superbowls (38.5 %) / 3 wins (23 %)

    2003–2012 – 126 wins – nearly 13 regular season wins per season (81.25 %)


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots

    Since the arrival of current head coach Bill Belichick in 2000, the Patriots became one of the most successful teams in NFL history. They are third in appearances in a Super Bowl with seven (the Pittsburgh Steelers and Dallas Cowboys each have 8), and have the most appearances in the last 25 years. They have won all but two AFC East titles since 2001, and have not had a losing season since 2000. Before Belichick arrived, the Patriots had only notched consecutive playoff appearances twice in their history. Between 2001–2010, the Patriots set a record for most wins in a decade (121, different from conventionally bounded decades, 2000–2009, 1990–1999, etc.; this record references any ten-year stretch; 2nd is the 1984–1993 San Francisco 49ers, with 120 wins); they broke their own record in 2011 (2002–2011 – 123 wins), and again in 2012 (2003–2012 – 126 wins – nearly 13 regular season wins per season). Between 2001 and 2005, the Patriots became the second team in NFL history (after the Dallas Cowboys) to win three Super Bowls in four years (Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII, and XXXIX), and the eighth (and most recent) to win consecutive Super Bowls. The Patriots, however, were defeated by the New York Giants in Super Bowl XLII, after winning the first 18 games of their 2007 season. They were defeated again by the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI. During Belichick's tenure with the team along with quarterback Tom Brady, the Patriots have also compiled the longest winning streak consisting of regular season and playoff games in NFL history, a 21-game streak from October 2003 – October 2004.

     
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