Re: Patriots claim defensive tackle Chris Jones, waive Josh Kline
posted at 10/4/2013 1:03 PM EDT
In response to PatsEng's comment:
In response to Beantowne's comment:
Very well written however one would think if they just woke up from a decade long coma that the Patriots were a team in dispair...when in fact they're 4 & 0 and continue to be among the best in the game. I don't dispute they have issues and depth might well become a greater problem if we lose another DT or one of our top corners goes down. But isn't that true of every NFL team.
1) Edelman's been on the field and very productive...Ameadola not so much...end of the day Hernandez's indictment and the timing of his arrst was well after most of the top FA were signed. I'm pretty certain that had Belicheck known prior to, he too would have up the anti trying to sign another tightend or a big reciever.
2) Wilfork going down is not something a team can plan for...it's also the first time in his entire football career that he's needed surgery going all the way back to HS.
3) did they not draft a CB?
4) I tend to agree that they went lite at SS... overall our secondary has been very good.
5) Bolden is the back they envision taking over Vareens role...RB is the least of our concerns with Ridley and Blount shouldering the load and Bolden the change of pace back. I too was a fan of Woodhead's with Vereen the better more explosive player he became expendable And a luxury we couldn't afford given the available cap space for the position...
I myself have no issue with critical analysis of the patriots under Belichecks leadership regarding how well they manage the cap and personell. It's also hard for me to be overly critical of Belicheck given the success he's had for more than a decade managing in the salary cap era...I could be mistaken but since he took over the team they've drafted in the top 10 twice? in the last few years he's done a very good job rebuilding our defense to the point where it's no longer a liabiltiy upgraded the run game and once Gronk returns Brady will have his binky back and this team should win the division again and make the playoffs once more...while they may not be prohibitive favorites in the AFC they can make some noise this week by beating the Bengals...
You know what's funny, I wrote this on Sept 12 and you are commenting on the Oct 3rd. So, my comments were pre Wilfork injury, pre Vereen injury, pre Dennard injury, pre extent Amendola injury.
With exception of SS (I actually like how Gregory has played so far) I've been dead on on all my comments above. But to your comments:
1) A TE should not effect what you do at WR and it appears it didn't as they added a lot of WRs in camp and tried to get Sanders. The problem is they went low cost option on WR and tried to get the deal not the player in Sanders.
2) You can plan for it, it's called depth. At a position that has historically been critical for the team in which they always have carried 5-6 players who can play the position and at least 1 big guy that could replace Wilfork they went with two aging vets and a 6th rounder another team didn't want and a UDFA. THat's not really depth. Adding one more decent vet or picking up an earlier round DT who could step in quick would have been adding depth.
3) They did but rook CBs tend to have issues their first year. I even wanted them to draft a CB this year too, but I also thought they should have added another vet as I felt a rook wouldn't be able to step in right away and I didn't want to see Arrington outside.
5) Bolden and Vereen are 2 completely different types of backs and skill sets. Washington is closer to Vereen than Bolden is. Actually I'd put Bolden closer to a Blount type of runner, a one move north south runner which is why I thought they'd go with one of the other out of camp. Vereen is more like a Faulk or Woodhead type of back, more of a pass catching back that relies on cuts and quick bursts
I like the D at this point but he's been rebuilding it beginning since 08'. I hope after 5 years he can rebuild it considering that's where his expertise is. What I'm critical of is that he seems to abandon certain areas until they are critical must rebuilds, his FA moves I feel are questionable, and I don't like how he goes for the deal instead of giving a bit extra for the player (Goldson, Sanders, Welker). Has he been successful, of course, but I think he could have been more successful if not for a couple things that I think hurts him. He believes you can get the same player for a lower pick or less money and won't go that little bit extra to get the higher priced talent. Though generally this philosophy does keep new people in the system it also tends to give you the Haynesworth's, Ocho's, Fenana's, Lloyd's which hurt the team as much as missing on a slightly higher priced player. Just because they win doesn't mean they couldn't have done better. For some reason I'm sure BB doesn't go home after the season and say we made the playoffs what a great year. IMO he goes home and says, damn we didn't win the SB because of x, y, and z I have to find a way to fix it.
That you posted your opin in early september doesn't in my mind change the perception that the patriots are a team in despair. I also don't dispute the validity of your critique of the roster. I get that the goal is to win championships. Without turning this in a protracted debate. I'll respond to you last replay and we can then agree to disagree on some points and many of your opins I do agre with...
1) I would agree that a tightend shouldn't impact decisions made at the WR position...Hernandez was not your typical tightend. Given our teams heavy dependence on the two tightend offense and how they deployed Hernandez with a healthy Gronk and Hernandez along with Amedola & Edelman already on the roster to play the slot. The need was for an X reciever who could stretch the field which is why they drafted Dobson to replace Llyod and luckily they appear to have hit the jackpot with Thompkins. My understanding is that the offer the pats made for Sanders was such the Steelers came very close to not matching it. water under the bridge...
2) Given our teams change from a base 3-4 to the 4-3 as our primary defensive scheme it changes the numbers and the profiles of the players you carry. In a base 3-4 the nose and the ends are all bigs and the pats typically carried 6 however in a base 4-3 you now have to man the middle and the ends with players that fit the profile. The Pats current depth chart on the D-Line has 7 players 4 ends and 3 DT If you add another big then you have to cut an end or a linebacker to make room on the roster. Also if you factor in the number of snaps the bigs are on the field given the pass happy NFL basically they're two down players...I do agree that the interior DL looks thin but it's a function of the scheme and to a degree Belichecks desire to be able to line up in the 3-4 too...
3) I like what I've seen from Ryan...again it's a numbers game there's only so many spots...Arrington plays well in the slot, not so much out on the edge, if his hamstring proves to be a lingering issue. Winfield is stil on the market and would be a good fit as the nickel back. The key is keeping Talib and Denard on the field...they can always move McCourty to CB in a pinch. another thing often overlooked is that veterans free agents tend not to want to play special teams and given the 53 man rosters..the backup DB have to play on the kicking teams.
4) I agree that Jefferey's has played as well as expected. Let's just say that since Harrison retired this position has been a revolving door and we've never truly replaced him.
5) I could have been clearer in my opin..I agree that Bolden as a runner is more in the mold of Blount, but he has good hands, runs good routes out of the backfield and is also a very good pass blocker. So until Vareen returns my guess is we'll see Bolden on the field on 3rd downs. overall I think the backfield depth is more than adequate. Woodhead was a luxury we couldn't afford given the addition of Blount and Develin.
In closing the Patriots under Belicheck have been among the best teams in the game and like all dynastic teams. They've been searching for the right mix and twice came within a couple of possesions from winning two more rings. I will say that my general feeling is that we morphed into a finesse team on both sides of the ball and what I am encouraged by is it appears that we're reopening the power game book. Time will tell the this squad will come together and win big...what is certain is that Father Time is running out on Brady.