Re: Patriots Dead Money
posted at 2/9/2014 12:14 PM EST
In response to TrueChamp's comment:
In response to PatsEng's comment:
I always use Miguel's. Best site I've found so far and one that even the big boys quote:
Miguel's has them at $5.6mil because of money coming back from Fanene and Lloyd. The $15mil people might be referencing is 2013. They had $15.3mil in dead money so if people are referencing how much dead money they had last offseason from low cost players as a reason why they could if spent more for higher quality players if not for poor player management with certain players that's where that number could come from.
Some would call it "poor player management" others would call it pretty shtty luck. Lloyd came on as a very solid 4rth receiving option getting 900 yards and 4 tds playing behing Welker, Gronk and Hernandez(show me a number 4 receiver with that type of production other then WW for Denver) unfortunately the guy didn't want to play football anymore and decided to make B grade movies. Bummer.
Fanene was the exact player you and I wanted on this team, he was a gap integrity DE/ DT who could also get to the QB at 290 pounds. 6 sacks a year for 2 years and was 2nd on a good bengals defense in QB pressures. Some of you in hindshight wanted Red Bryant and his 35 million dollar deal, he will most likely be cut as I quote," he offers nothing as a pass rusher and fell off in run support". Fanene was a steal at 12 mill for 3 years with only 4 guaranteed, unfortunately he was addicted to pain killers and needed them to even practice. Tough luck.
Then you have the rkarp theory that BB and Kraft knew Hernandez would shoot a man to death. Either you believe that or you realize that again, it is just a shtty, bad luck situation where one of your best players decided to execute a human being. That is 11 mill in dead money. Hindsight champions of the world would call that poor management, others would see it for what it was. I know one thing for sure, paying Red Bryant 35 million and Goldson 42 million to play the same position as DMC (only not as well), certainly would have been not just "poor player management" it would have been horrible player management.
Let's go over that list True:
Lloyd - known locker room cancer and bounced around from team to team. Reason for release, locker room issues. Not bad luck just Lloyd being Lloyd.
Fanene - Never really starter in Cinn and was never offered a contract because of concerns over his lower body injury. The injury existed before the Pats signed him. Was released because of injury. Not bad luck, just bad medical work up and not investing further into red flags. BTW why would Red be cut? He was one of the main reasons Sea got to the SB. So far he's played up to that contract.
Hern - now I don't think BB and Kraft knew about the shooting, that's silly. However, they did know about gang affliations, him further embracing those affliations in Florida, those were the reasons he fell in the draft (not pot), and they knew about the locker room issues in his rook year. Looking back at all those things maybe giving him a large extension making him a top 10 paid TE in the league was not the brightest idea. Not bad luck just Hern's nature that something was bound to happen (murder though I'm sure no one expected)
All those things weren't bad luck, they were not reading the warning signs properly as all ended up failing because of the red flags that were already part of their past. I would say it's poor management to ignore red flag warning signs to save a couple of bucks.
Btw True, you do know there is a difference between SS and FS right? Goldson plays SS and McCourty plays FS. Also they brought in Goldson a year before he signed that contract. They obviously liked him because they made him an offer. If they made him a realy offer of $3mil over multiple years instead of lowballing on a single year we wouldn't be talking about that contract. Actually considering what they paid Gregory, A. Wilson, and T. Wilson it's what they could of had Goldson for if they offered him what SF gave him over multiple years and we would of had a mid 2nd round pick back! As for Bryant how much has Fanene and Kelly added up to the lat couple years? I'll give you a hint it's the same cap space amount Bryant has cost Sea. For some reason I think Sea got more out of Bryant than we got out of Fanene and Kelly.
Btw I keep telling you this but you just don't seem to understand. It's only hindsight if you didn't point to it before it happened, otherwise it's known as foresight.