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    Except that you are wrong, Goldson isn't a SS he is a FS, and and has had really 1 good year with 6 picks and a pro bowl trip, after signing his 42 million deal with 22 million guaranteed he had 70 tackles and a sack playing next to star "Strong Safety" Mark Barron and stud CB Revis.

    Red Bryant recived 35 million and has a 8.5 million cap hit. 

    Seahawks LE Red Bryant currently has an $8.5 million cap number for 2014. Working against Bryant is a $3 million roster bonus due on March 14. Bryant only played 488 snaps in 2013, offers next to nothing in terms of a pass rush, and turns 30 in April. The Seahawks are looking to clear as much cap space as possible with important players like DL Michael Bennett set to hit the open market next month   And like it or not admonishing the Hernandez selections and contract given is only done with 20-20 hindsight. Fanene lied about addiction to pain killers, his injury was in 2010, he turned in back to back good run support seasons with 6 sacks a piece and was the low risk, high reward signing that red Bryant was not. Only with the hindsight of what happened could he be considered a bad signing at a postion of need. 20-20.   So, in reality Red bryant for 35 million to play next to 50 million dollar Wilfork would have been a bad signing, and Goldson for 42 million to play about as well as Gregory played at another FS spot next to DMC also would have been a terrible decision.



    According to Pro Football Focus (subscription required), Bryant's plus-6.1 rating against the run is sixth amongst all defensive ends in the NFL, even though Bryant has played roughly half the number of snaps of those players ahead of him. On a per-snap basis, they have Bryant as the best run-stuffing DE in the league.

    oh look I can find websites that quotes one of your favorites saying he's one of the best run stuffing DE's in the league. Now I know we didn't have a running problem this year did we? Except mine actually references a website (Pro Football Focus), where is yours from? Oh yeah you reference his 2014 cap number but fail to say if they cut him it only costs $3mil in dead space this year and he has a $3mil in roster bonuses this year, so in otherwords if he didn't perform they could cut him for essentially what it cost to cut Fanene....... His "large" contract was all base or roster bonus after 2 years so you can cut him after 2 years and not have a large cap hit, actually similars to dead money to cut Fanene but just cherry pick numbers without showing the real cost.

    Btw it's comical you said Fanene was a low risk signing as it turns out he was all risk. It seems 31 other teams not to touch him. It's not like other teams were chomping at the bit at signing such a great player to such a low cost deal. What do you think they knew that the Pats didn't?



    That is my point, why pay a guy 35 million who's only value is against the run while we already have Wilfork who is dominate against the run? So we sign Kelly, a player who can hold the gap while still getting after the QB for a fraction of the cost! If we signed red and he tore his acl we would have an 8.2 million dollar cap hit for a situational run defender instead of an all around solid DT at 1.8 or whatver his cap hit is. 



    Bull crap bull crap bull crap. Did you watch the NFC Championship game? Have you seen Bryant play? He may not be putting up big sack numbers, but I assure you this guy moves very very well for his size. Now of he played here you'd make all sorts of excuses for his lack of pass rush production...isn't asked to rush, plays within the scheme, has gap responsibilities, has lane responsibilities, has contain, is supposed to let the linebacker make the play, eats up space, etc, etc, etc. Bryant not playing here removes you from giving him credit as a player, but if Belichick signed him you'd put him in the hall of fame. Guaranteed.

    Bruant was our off season priority one that year, we called him as soon as free agency started, numerous articles said he was our number one target...then we low balled him. We had him in Belichick's office and we Patriot Wayed him...same with Goldson. Dumb. Dumb team building.

     

     
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    When other teams take a guy like Hernandez off their draft board it's hard to argue that he was only a risk in "hindsight."  Lots of teams had the foresight not to even consider him because of character issues.  

    The warning signs with Lloyd were also abundant . . . despite some talent he was let go from multiple teams for locker room or attitude issues.  And Fanene was coming off an injury and had never been more than a spot starter.  Saying the risks were apparent only in hindsight is completely disengenuous because other teams made decisions based on their assessment of the risks ahead of time. 

     

     
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    No, you said it wasn't hindsight if you railed about it before hand.

    "Btw I keep telling you this but you just don't seem to understand. It's only hindsight if you didn't point to it before it happened, otherwise it's known as foresight."

    If Kelly hadn't gotten hurt he would have had a vastly superior season compared to Bryant. If Kelly hadn't had the bad LUCK to have his knee taken out your above premise is wrong and BB would have gotten a better player for the same money.

    In this case your foresight was non-existent and your hindsight was 20-20!



    Please find one place I said Kelly would get hurt, or that there even was a chance he would get hurt. I'd be very interested in that post. What I have said time and time again is that they need to draft or sign a younger player in their prime instead of finding retreads. Retreads are inherently risky.

     
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    That is my point, why pay a guy 35 million who's only value is against the run while we already have Wilfork who is dominate against the run? So we sign Kelly, a player who can hold the gap while still getting after the QB for a fraction of the cost! If we signed red and he tore his acl we would have an 8.2 million dollar cap hit for a situational run defender instead of an all around solid DT at 1.8 or whatver his cap hit is. 



    Yes why pay the best run stuffing DE in the league 35mil? Why do you keep tossing that number out. He only gets it if he isn't cut. Much like any contract it's about guaranteed money not about final total as no one gets paid full amount. But if you want to play that game, Bryant one of the best at his position for what he does or a JAG in Amendola for 31mil? 4mil (less then a mil a year) is the difference between Amendola and Bryant, which would you'd rather have right now?

     
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    When other teams take a guy like Hernandez off their draft board it's hard to argue that he was only a risk in "hindsight."  Lots of teams had the foresight not to even consider him because of character issues.  

    The warning signs with Lloyd were also abundant . . . despite some talent he was let go from multiple teams for locker room or attitude issues.  And Fanene was coming off an injury and had never been more than a spot starter.  Saying the risks were apparent only in hindsight is completely disengenuous because other teams made decisions based on their assessment of the risks ahead of time. 

     



    Ohhhh, you guys just make up whatever you want to fit whatever it is your pushing. Fanene played 16 games , had 6.5 sacks as a 290 pound DE the year before we signed him. He wasn't coming off injury.

    Lloyd had his 2nd best season as a 10 year pro with us. 2nd most catches and 2nd most yards....but I guess he was a bust because you guys say so. 3 million for the guys 2nd best year of a 10 year career where he has started in the NFL, oh but he was a bad signing because you guys say so after we cut him as he was basically retiring to make a movie. Give us a break. 75 receptions 900 yards playing behing WW, Gronkowski,  and Hernandez, yeah he sucked. Pffffft

     
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    That is my point, why pay a guy 35 million who's only value is against the run while we already have Wilfork who is dominate against the run? So we sign Kelly, a player who can hold the gap while still getting after the QB for a fraction of the cost! If we signed red and he tore his acl we would have an 8.2 million dollar cap hit for a situational run defender instead of an all around solid DT at 1.8 or whatver his cap hit is. 



    Yes why pay the best run stuffing DE in the league 35mil? Why do you keep tossing that number out. He only gets it if he isn't cut. Much like any contract it's about guaranteed money not about final total as no one gets paid full amount. But if you want to play that game, Bryant one of the best at his position for what he does or a JAG in Amendola for 31mil? 4mil (less then a mil a year) is the difference between Amendola and Bryant, which would you'd rather have right now?



    Well eng, he got 15 million guaranteed and has cap hits of 7.5 in 2013 and 8.5 in 2014, about double amendola, which 1 has nothing to do with the other as we needed amendola when welker chose denver over us and we didnt need 35 million dollar bryant as we had 40 million dollar 5x better Vince Wilfork and 2.0 million dollar Kelly who is almost as good as bryant vs the run but 50x better getting after the QB. 

     

    This guy doesnt sound like he's worth 8.5 million this year and 7.5 last year, especially not when you already invested 40 million into the highest paid DT in the league who is dominant against the run. 

     

    2014 Cap Hit: $8,500,000

     

    Dead Money If Cut: $3,000,000

     

    Cap Savings If Cut: $5,500,000

     

     

     

    Why He Might Be a Salary Cap Casualty: Bryant is going to be 30 years old in April, he's set to make more than running backMarshawn Lynch and he's as dreadful as it gets as a pass-rusher. In 18 games (playoffs included), he tallied 1.5 quarterback sacks, four quarterback hits and 15 quarterback hurries. 

     

    That's simply not good enough. Defensive end Michael Bennett plays the five-technique position better than Bryant does, which is why the Seahawks would be smart to use the $17.5 million in cap savings on the impending free agent. 

     

     

     

    Why He Might Not Be a Salary Cap Casualty: Bryant is one of the best run defenders in the NFL when he's on the field. According to the analysts at Pro Football Focus, he finished the 2013 season with a plus-12.3 grade against the run. That's incredible based on the fact he only logged 261 snaps versus the run. 

     

    His rotational value and impact on first and second down could keep him around for another year.

     

     

     
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    Except that you are wrong, Goldson isn't a SS he is a FS, and and has had really 1 good year with 6 picks and a pro bowl trip, after signing his 42 million deal with 22 million guaranteed he had 70 tackles and a sack playing next to star "Strong Safety" Mark Barron and stud CB Revis.

    Red Bryant recived 35 million and has a 8.5 million cap hit. 

    Seahawks LE Red Bryant currently has an $8.5 million cap number for 2014. Working against Bryant is a $3 million roster bonus due on March 14. Bryant only played 488 snaps in 2013, offers next to nothing in terms of a pass rush, and turns 30 in April. The Seahawks are looking to clear as much cap space as possible with important players like DL Michael Bennett set to hit the open market next month   And like it or not admonishing the Hernandez selections and contract given is only done with 20-20 hindsight. Fanene lied about addiction to pain killers, his injury was in 2010, he turned in back to back good run support seasons with 6 sacks a piece and was the low risk, high reward signing that red Bryant was not. Only with the hindsight of what happened could he be considered a bad signing at a postion of need. 20-20.   So, in reality Red bryant for 35 million to play next to 50 million dollar Wilfork would have been a bad signing, and Goldson for 42 million to play about as well as Gregory played at another FS spot next to DMC also would have been a terrible decision.



    According to Pro Football Focus (subscription required), Bryant's plus-6.1 rating against the run is sixth amongst all defensive ends in the NFL, even though Bryant has played roughly half the number of snaps of those players ahead of him. On a per-snap basis, they have Bryant as the best run-stuffing DE in the league.

    oh look I can find websites that quotes one of your favorites saying he's one of the best run stuffing DE's in the league. Now I know we didn't have a running problem this year did we? Except mine actually references a website (Pro Football Focus), where is yours from? Oh yeah you reference his 2014 cap number but fail to say if they cut him it only costs $3mil in dead space this year and he has a $3mil in roster bonuses this year, so in otherwords if he didn't perform they could cut him for essentially what it cost to cut Fanene....... His "large" contract was all base or roster bonus after 2 years so you can cut him after 2 years and not have a large cap hit, actually similars to dead money to cut Fanene but just cherry pick numbers without showing the real cost.

    Btw it's comical you said Fanene was a low risk signing as it turns out he was all risk. It seems 31 other teams not to touch him. It's not like other teams were chomping at the bit at signing such a great player to such a low cost deal. What do you think they knew that the Pats didn't?



    That is my point, why pay a guy 35 million who's only value is against the run while we already have Wilfork who is dominate against the run? So we sign Kelly, a player who can hold the gap while still getting after the QB for a fraction of the cost! If we signed red and he tore his acl we would have an 8.2 million dollar cap hit for a situational run defender instead of an all around solid DT at 1.8 or whatver his cap hit is. 



    Bull crap bull crap bull crap. Did you watch the NFC Championship game? Have you seen Bryant play? He may not be putting up big sack numbers, but I assure you this guy moves very very well for his size. Now of he played here you'd make all sorts of excuses for his lack of pass rush production...isn't asked to rush, plays within the scheme, has gap responsibilities, has lane responsibilities, has contain, is supposed to let the linebacker make the play, eats up space, etc, etc, etc. Bryant not playing here removes you from giving him credit as a player, but if Belichick signed him you'd put him in the hall of fame. Guaranteed.

    Bruant was our off season priority one that year, we called him as soon as free agency started, numerous articles said he was our number one target...then we low balled him. We had him in Belichick's office and we Patriot Wayed him...same with Goldson. Dumb. Dumb team building.

     



    Dumb team building would be to sign Gokdson at 42 million dollars when he is a free friggggnnn safety the same as mccourty just not as good. Same with bryant at 35 million when you have 40 million dollar wilfork. It's like you guys just ignore a fact, and want to slam the gm so you concoct scenarios where we made a huge mistake by not signing  40 million dollar FA's, both of which had down years in 2013. 

    Too much energy wasted here.

     
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    So you knew Cinci was going to take out Kelly's knee in game five before the season started? Kelly was on pace to get 8 sacks before that.



    Nope no clue, never said I knew that either. What I said was the cost of Fanene and Kelly combined would have been on par to what Bryant would have gotten. And as it turned out one move was more valuable to one team than the other was to the other and you can't deny that.



    In hind sight.



    Isn't that the way everything is done here?  Pretty pathetic.

     
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    Geesh - I just asked which source(s) was/were correct and it turns into pseudo-GM wars! 

    JK, guys.  Interesting discussions and informative in terms of the varying perspectives extant this forum.

     
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    When other teams take a guy like Hernandez off their draft board it's hard to argue that he was only a risk in "hindsight."  Lots of teams had the foresight not to even consider him because of character issues.  

    The warning signs with Lloyd were also abundant . . . despite some talent he was let go from multiple teams for locker room or attitude issues.  And Fanene was coming off an injury and had never been more than a spot starter.  Saying the risks were apparent only in hindsight is completely disengenuous because other teams made decisions based on their assessment of the risks ahead of time. 

     



    Ohhhh, you guys just make up whatever you want to fit whatever it is your pushing. Fanene played 16 games , had 6.5 sacks as a 290 pound DE the year before we signed him. He wasn't coming off injury.

    Lloyd had his 2nd best season as a 10 year pro with us. 2nd most catches and 2nd most yards....but I guess he was a bust because you guys say so. 3 million for the guys 2nd best year of a 10 year career where he has started in the NFL, oh but he was a bad signing because you guys say so after we cut him as he was basically retiring to make a movie. Give us a break. 75 receptions 900 yards playing behing WW, Gronkowski,  and Hernandez, yeah he sucked. Pffffft



    Keep the head firmly buried in the sand.  Fanene missed nearly all of 2010 with a hamstring and he missed considerable time to injury in 2006 and 2007.  He did play in 16 games in 2011, but started just two.  He was a career back-up.  Cinncinati only signed him to one-year deal for 2011 in large part because they were concerned about injury and because he played a limited number of snaps.  Lloyd's inability to stay with teams because of attitude issues was well known.  And Hernandez was taken off the draft board by numerous teams because of character concerns. These risks were known to other teams and the Pats, I'm sure, were aware of them too.   The Pats decided to gamble and lost. In Fanene, they got nothing but dead money.  Lloyd gave them a lot of catches (as much due to Brady as anything he did), but he didn't have a large impact and wasn't a building block for t he future in a position that was in serious need of rebuilding.  And Hernandez while good, was still prone to dropping the ball, was injured most of his last season with New England, and ended up costing a ton of dead money and leaving a hole in the team's already depleted receiving corp.

    But sure, all were great signings and it was just a bit of unavoidable bad luck  . . . 

     

     

     

     

     
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    Dumb team building would be to sign Gokdson at 42 million dollars when he is a free friggggnnn safety the same as mccourty just not as good. Same with bryant at 35 million when you have 40 million dollar wilfork. It's like you guys just ignore a fact, and want to slam the gm so you concoct scenarios where we made a huge mistake by not signing  40 million dollar FA's, both of which had down years in 2013. 

    Too much energy wasted here.



    Bryant was one of the best run stuffing DE's in the game and OC regular double teamed him all season how is that a down year? I wish our players had down years like that we might have actually gotten to the SB.

    Yes, what dumb team building it is to invest in one of the better DE/DT's in the league for $35mil for 5 years ($7mil average). We would never have the space to do anything like that. We need cap space for other things like in 12':

    • $3mil for Bodden
    • $2mil TBC
    • $1.3mil Fanene
    • $1.7mil Ocho

    or in 13'

    • $3.5mil Lloyd
    • $2.5mil Fanene
    • $1.6mil Ocho

    We'd have no shot at all trying to come up with money to pay players with talent in their prime because the Pats never make dumb moves when it comes to contracts (*caugh* Amendola and Arrington *caugh*) and never have wasted funds that could have been used elsewhere (*caugh* A. Wilson, Haynesworth, Gallery *caugh*)

    Just continue to ignore facts True that if you go through dead money you can find that the "low risk" options start to add up and the cost is being able to sign a player like Bryant who most certainly would have helped the team this year. Think of all the players they passed over to fill positions and went with lower cost options and how much resources have been spent trying to fill that spot over and over and over again. It adds up True, it might take 3-4 guys to get to the same cost as 1 player but they sign and cut 3-4 players for the one spot over the same length of time it would have cost just to get that player orignially

     
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    When other teams take a guy like Hernandez off their draft board it's hard to argue that he was only a risk in "hindsight."  Lots of teams had the foresight not to even consider him because of character issues.  

    The warning signs with Lloyd were also abundant . . . despite some talent he was let go from multiple teams for locker room or attitude issues.  And Fanene was coming off an injury and had never been more than a spot starter.  Saying the risks were apparent only in hindsight is completely disengenuous because other teams made decisions based on their assessment of the risks ahead of time. 

     



    Let's not go all high and mighty here. I call a huge cup of BS here!!

    To my knowledge there were only three teams that attempted to say they had Hernandez off the board. The "Bengals" were one of them. Seriously? Do you really believe the Bengals had him off the board?

    Here is a quote I like that was written.

    "Of course, it’s easy for NFL executives to come forward now and say they wouldn’t have drafted Hernandez. A month ago, before all the revelations about Hernandez’s off-field activities began to surface, I don’t remember any NFL executives saying they wouldn’t have drafted Hernandez. That’s why the NFL’s security chief, who knows how teams investigate players’ backgrounds prior to the draft, is calling criticism of the Patriots 20/20 hindsight."

     

     
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    I should have known that starting this thread would result in a regurgitation of the Aaron Hernandez issue at some point.

     
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    I should have known that starting this thread would result in a regurgitation of the Aaron Hernandez issue at some point.



    Could be worse, could be talking about Brady. But, really it's a point of discussion because it does greatly affect this offseason. The amount of dead money is a starting DT or CB or resigning Edelman. So, it does spark conversation of how wise it was to extend him to that much guaranteed money knowing his past and how much of that past the team actually knew. You have to assume they know more than the fans so knowing what you know now (minus the murder just history prior to that point) would you have given that type of contract to him? Not sure I would, I'd still try to resign him but make him a top 10 paid TE I might have waited out that rook contract and tried for something a little less guaranteed and most certainly would have included a behavior clause.

     
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    I should have known that starting this thread would result in a regurgitation of the Aaron Hernandez issue at some point.



    Could be worse, could be talking about Brady. But, really it's a point of discussion because it does greatly affect this offseason. The amount of dead money is a starting DT or CB or resigning Edelman. So, it does spark conversation of how wise it was to extend him to that much guaranteed money knowing his past and how much of that past the team actually knew. You have to assume they know more than the fans so knowing what you know now (minus the murder just history prior to that point) would you have given that type of contract to him? Not sure I would, I'd still try to resign him but make him a top 10 paid TE I might have waited out that rook contract and tried for something a little less guaranteed and most certainly would have included a behavior clause.



    After the kid played the way he did for us and had zero off field issues, yes we all absolutely give him that contract and make him and Gronk the corner stones of our offense. ONLY in hindsight can you sit there and say it was a bad move.

     
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    I should have known that starting this thread would result in a regurgitation of the Aaron Hernandez issue at some point.



    Could be worse, could be talking about Brady. But, really it's a point of discussion because it does greatly affect this offseason. The amount of dead money is a starting DT or CB or resigning Edelman. So, it does spark conversation of how wise it was to extend him to that much guaranteed money knowing his past and how much of that past the team actually knew. You have to assume they know more than the fans so knowing what you know now (minus the murder just history prior to that point) would you have given that type of contract to him? Not sure I would, I'd still try to resign him but make him a top 10 paid TE I might have waited out that rook contract and tried for something a little less guaranteed and most certainly would have included a behavior clause.



    Why can't we talk about Brady? He is a player on the Patriots.



    Sure, have at it...

    for those uninterested, I will save them the time with the cliff notes...

    brady sucks, Brady sucks, we should trade him for alex smith, Brady sucks. 

     
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    I should have known that starting this thread would result in a regurgitation of the Aaron Hernandez issue at some point.



    Could be worse, could be talking about Brady. But, really it's a point of discussion because it does greatly affect this offseason. The amount of dead money is a starting DT or CB or resigning Edelman. So, it does spark conversation of how wise it was to extend him to that much guaranteed money knowing his past and how much of that past the team actually knew. You have to assume they know more than the fans so knowing what you know now (minus the murder just history prior to that point) would you have given that type of contract to him? Not sure I would, I'd still try to resign him but make him a top 10 paid TE I might have waited out that rook contract and tried for something a little less guaranteed and most certainly would have included a behavior clause.



    After the kid played the way he did for us and had zero off field issues, yes we all absolutely give him that contract and make him and Gronk the corner stones of our offense. ONLY in hindsight can you sit there and say it was a bad move.



    Forget his off the field stuff or prior knowledge...

    his on the field production didn't warrant that type of contract. Look at his stats. Actually quite pedestrian.

     
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    http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-england-patriots&id=4758753&city=boston

     
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    The Patriots have a total of $8,533,721 in dead money for the 2014 league year as of now, which is broken down in the contracts below: 

     

    Fullback Ben Bartholomew: $6,667 

    Defensive tackle Dewayne Cherrington: $667 

    Safety Kanorris Davis: $3,334 

    Cornerback Ras-I Dowling: $589,382 

    Tight end Daniel Fells: $333,334 

    Tight end Brandon Ford: $2,000 

    Defensive end Justin Francis: $2,334 

    Wide receiver Lavelle Hawkins: $75,000 

    Tight end Aaron Hernandez: $7,500,000 

    Cornerback Brandon Jones: $2,334 

    Offensive lineman Josh Kline: $2,667 

    Offensive lineman Chris McDonald: $3,334 

    Cornerback Stephon Morris: $1,667 

    Offensive lineman Matt Stankiewitch: $1,667 

    Tight end Zach Sudfeld: $8,000 

    Long snapper Mike Zupancic: $1,334 

     

    (Both Kanorris Davis and Josh Kline are on the Patriots' roster, but the dead money stems from contracts signed before their current deals.) 

     

    The Patriots continue to explore options for relief from the Hernandez contract, which accounts for 87.9 percent of the dead money for 2014. If that $7.5 million is somehow retrieved -- or at least partially -- the team's outlook as it relates to dead money is far better. 

     

    The figure of just more than $8.5 million in dead money doesn't cripple the Patriots' salary cap outlook, but teams also work hard to avoid dead money because of how it restricts spending. 

     

    The Raiders had more than $55 million in dead money during the 2013 season, something that dramatically impacted their ability to develop a nucleus of talent. 

     

    Dead money figures are another reminder of how important shrewd cap management is in the NFL.

     
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    In response to ATJ's comment:

    I should have known that starting this thread would result in a regurgitation of the Aaron Hernandez issue at some point.



    Could be worse, could be talking about Brady. But, really it's a point of discussion because it does greatly affect this offseason. The amount of dead money is a starting DT or CB or resigning Edelman. So, it does spark conversation of how wise it was to extend him to that much guaranteed money knowing his past and how much of that past the team actually knew. You have to assume they know more than the fans so knowing what you know now (minus the murder just history prior to that point) would you have given that type of contract to him? Not sure I would, I'd still try to resign him but make him a top 10 paid TE I might have waited out that rook contract and tried for something a little less guaranteed and most certainly would have included a behavior clause.



    After the kid played the way he did for us and had zero off field issues, yes we all absolutely give him that contract and make him and Gronk the corner stones of our offense. ONLY in hindsight can you sit there and say it was a bad move.



    Forget his off the field stuff or prior knowledge...

    his on the field production didn't warrant that type of contract. Look at his stats. Actually quite pedestrian.



    He caught 70% of his targets, good for top 10 in the league. He was an integral piece of Tom Brady's best season of his career,36 tds to 4 interceptions and the only unanimous mvp in league history. If he didn't kill anybody he would fill the void left by Welker and be absolutley killing it from all over the field. He was a special talent that fit very well with Brady's declining deep ball passing game. BB knew what he was doing...as usual.

     
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    Re: Patriots Dead Money

    In response to joepatsfan111111's comment:

    The Patriots have a total of $8,533,721 in dead money for the 2014 league year as of now, which is broken down in the contracts below: 

     

    Fullback Ben Bartholomew: $6,667 

    Defensive tackle Dewayne Cherrington: $667 

    Safety Kanorris Davis: $3,334 

    Cornerback Ras-I Dowling: $589,382 

    Tight end Daniel Fells: $333,334 

    Tight end Brandon Ford: $2,000 

    Defensive end Justin Francis: $2,334 

    Wide receiver Lavelle Hawkins: $75,000 

    Tight end Aaron Hernandez: $7,500,000 

    Cornerback Brandon Jones: $2,334 

    Offensive lineman Josh Kline: $2,667 

    Offensive lineman Chris McDonald: $3,334 

    Cornerback Stephon Morris: $1,667 

    Offensive lineman Matt Stankiewitch: $1,667 

    Tight end Zach Sudfeld: $8,000 

    Long snapper Mike Zupancic: $1,334 

     

    (Both Kanorris Davis and Josh Kline are on the Patriots' roster, but the dead money stems from contracts signed before their current deals.) 

     

    The Patriots continue to explore options for relief from the Hernandez contract, which accounts for 87.9 percent of the dead money for 2014. If that $7.5 million is somehow retrieved -- or at least partially -- the team's outlook as it relates to dead money is far better. 

     

    The figure of just more than $8.5 million in dead money doesn't cripple the Patriots' salary cap outlook, but teams also work hard to avoid dead money because of how it restricts spending. 

     

    The Raiders had more than $55 million in dead money during the 2013 season, something that dramatically impacted their ability to develop a nucleus of talent. 

     

    Dead money figures are another reminder of how important shrewd cap management is in the NFL.



    Like I said, bad luck. If Hernandez didn't kill somebody we are in a great position on offense and have an ample amount of cap room, with less needs to fill. 1.2 million in dead money for a team coming off it's 3rd afc championship appearance in a row.

     
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