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    In Response to Re: Patriots Draft REPORT CARD : Do you ever get anything right? Seems not. He tagged Cassel because he had to or lose him for ziltch. So worst case was likely he would have had to take a low draft pick, but somebody was going to pay the guy based on the numbers he put up. Polian, like BB, has greatly benefitted by having a HOF QB. That is what has brought him the lion's share of his success - the same as Hoodie. So you want to point out some of the great fails among team builders to show how good Hoodie is at it? That's nonsensical. Okay, Hoodie isn't a pathetic team builder, he's just greatly overrated. Happy now? The Chiefs made the playoffs because they had the easiest scedule in memory. It doesn't even take a genius like Hoodie to figure that one out. Carolina, Philly, TB, SD, Dallas Lions, Raiders, Bengals all have lacked the top QB that guys like BB and Polian have had. And don't even start with Romo or Palmer. As I pointed out, look at BB w/o the HOF QB and you see what is what. Speaking of which, you mention the old front office and are clueless to understand that is not what was critically lacking. It was the HOF QB. The success tracks Brady, not BB. Though Kraft is certainly a better owner than BS was. What you don't seem to "get" is that success tracks great players, especially great QBs, not coaches.  Hoodie has not had the same success because he has not provided an influx of great players by his choices and the ones in place when he arrived have gone away. But that's bound to happen when you keep trading down and swinging and missing constantly in the 2nd or 3rd round especially whan you are targeting the wrong positions as well. How long have we needed an edge rusher, 3 years, and still the same old nonsense out of BB.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    Three years of nonsense have produced 35 regular season victories, second to the Colts' 36.  While you root for the team with the best pass rush, more sensible fans will root for the team that has a chance of getting to the Super Bowl most years. 
     
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    The Solder, Cannon, Mallett and Downing picks were solid.  I think Randall Cobb would have been a better choice in late second than Verreen - and we could have picked him at 3rd round; if he was gone, we still would have had Ridley.  I did not like back to back RB choices.  Mark H of BC, to me, would have been a better selection than either of the guys we picked at 6 or 7.  Not much available in pro free agency for OLB, so it looks like wait till next years again and hope BB does somethiing positive in this area with at least 1 of 4 picks in the first two rounds of the 2012 draft.

    I agree with you TexasPat that a B is the grade for the 2011 Pats draft.
     
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    In Response to Re: Patriots Draft REPORT CARD : I am lucky as hell Brady is here. Almost as lucky as Hoodie was picking him.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    No question that BB was lucky picking Tom Brady, no one can argue that they saw his success coming  - very few players that ARE expected to succeed actually do

    But, was BB lucky when he stuck with Brady in 2001 after Bledsoe got healthy - when the popular view was that Bledsoe should be playing? Or was that maybe good coaching?

    Reading your comments reminds me of any Ron Borges article about BB - especially after a Patriot loss ( not that there have been a ton of those)

    The King's ( AKA Rusty) pollyannaish drivel does get tiring at times but you sir, are trying way too hard too be contrary where BB is concerned - if you are legitimately a Patriot fan and not a well informed troll
     
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    I don't see Rusty's perspective as 'polyann-ish' at all.  I see it as being totally in agreement with BB's approach; there is a huge difference.  I happen to share Rusty's views.  Is BB perfect?  Of course not.  I challenge anyone however to match BB's record in the cap era.  If you don't like his style that's fine.  But you can't question his results.  And with respect to where would BB be without Brady - I give you his 11-5 record in 2008.


     
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    Great discussion going on here guys ... Kentucky Babe and TP3 you guys are really posting some great analysis/informed opinion.

    TP3 - your following statement is one I have to comment on:
    "Great pass-rushers are hard to find. Everybody GM wants them. But, if they're not available, a great coach finds another way to win."

    I would rebut (and I think the Babe would agree) that Yah sure they are hard to find and who says they are not available?  BUT if you never swing for the fence, you never hit a home run! BB seems to be willing to draft multiple players year after year with the hope of hitting a winner at the CB position - but not for a pass rusher. I'd just like to see the Pats taking a risk on finding a Clay Matthews et al. a lot more often and a lot earlier in the draft (not in the 5th round).

    It just seems to me that BB seems willing to take the risk of failure in the picking of multiple CBs year after year - Wheatie, Willhite, Butsy, McC ... in the hope of hitting a McC. I just wish that same aggressive drafting method would be taken with pass rushers.
     
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    In Response to Patriots Draft REPORT CARD : Color me: Baffled Needs were OL (addressed), DE/OLB (ignored), and a stub RB (FUGHEDABOUDIT!) Year after year we hear about trades to accumulate draft picks for "next year". I'm going to be honest and say that I no longer care or will ever get excited about BB's trading for additional picks "nexst year". I've been teased one time too often, and feel like Charlie Brown despite KNOWING that Lucy's going to pull the football away at the last minute. Never again. I don't care if he trades the first #1 for 3 future #1's, and then takes a blind, one legged punter with a restructured knee with the other #1. I'll read about it in the papers, and get ready for yet another underachieving postseason (can you say "One and done"?) after going 11-5 or 12-4. Hey! I live in Phoenix, and am used to this. Look at the Suns for those many years.... 55 wins, and a "See ya later!" Even with Barkley playing, they were 1 player away, and never pilled the trigger to get one, but added "fringe" players instead. It's agreed that this year's draft was not particularly deep. But, while having 6 of the top 96 picks, with the exception of Solder, in my opinion, they came away empty handed. No one can convince me that they could have drafted 6 good/solid/quality guys that would have filled immediate needs, and NOT have injury/sickness issues in their background. They took an injury prone DB in round #2, and a cancer patient later on. I get the Solder pick; gotta keep Brady upright whenever possible. But the trades? Anyone still proud as punch and happy as hell over the Matthews fiasco? ANyone still honestly beliueve that Chung is THE answer? Instead of Matthews, we have a player that has not risen to being a solid starter and even a whisper of a Pro Bowl caliber player! But, the TRADE was made. I refuse to believe that the two RB's drafted COMBINED will stir any concerns of game play changing but the opposition. But, let's pass on Ingram. remember, "servicable" gets you less than 70 YPG and an early tee time in January, when facing stout NFL defenses in the playoffs. I find it amusing that "servicable" will never qualify for the QB, or OL position, but fits admirably at RB, when a big name, HEISMAN WINNING player is available. My grade: "H", as in "Here we go again...." Sure, I'll watch the games, seeing them rack up another 11-13 wins, and get bounced in the first or divisional round yet again. I'll read and hear about BB's ability to work wonders with "what he's got", while remembering that "what he's got" is EXACTLY what he wanted, instead of having what he should of/could of had. I'm not falling into that trap again. I'll never defend his roster for underachieving again. Admire that 'servicable" gropu pf RB's that NET less than 80 yards in the playoffs. Marvel at the guy that they drafted AFTER passing up Matthews. As of today, his best chance of getting to Canton is via a bus ticket. It's been a week and I'm STILL disappointed........ Saddest part is that he'll do it all over again in next year's draft.
    Posted by AZPAT


    Hey AZ if you really feel that way about it, why don't you become a JETS fan.  Their a great team, they made the AFC championship game two years in a row.  And just think how many year it took them to do it.

    Believe it or not the PATS are in a rebuilding mode....I know we haven't lost double digits games like most teams that rebuild, but BB is rebulding them. 

    You complain that we are one and done in the play offs...lets look at what BB did this past draft.  a) He got us the best OT in the draft.  Yes the best.  He has the most upside and will protect Brady for years to come.  Oh I forgot you think Brady only has a window of 3-4 years.  Well with Solder and Seabass for bookend I think just maybe Brady's window just got a litte bigger.  Should I talk about the other offense linemen he got to protect Brady as well?  After the guy recovers from his illness, the interior of our line will be set as well.  6'8' 350lbs guys that can move don't grow on trees.  And yes Mankin will get resigned.  Light's money will go to him.  

    I can't believe how short-sighted you are...the biggest problem we had the lst two year were addressed in both drafts and you complain...unreal

    oh I should probably address this statement as well.  2009 we were as you say one and done.  My opinion was that Welker being insured in the raven's game was the factor.  What did BB do...he got us two tight ends and woodly to replace his production and revamped the offense-no-moss.  He also got us Crumpler to protect Brady.  in 2010 we were one an done.  Offense again due to protection issues.  How many times was Tom pressured?  So BB goes out and get us the the best OT and guard available..he spares no expense for Brady.  And oh by the way he also get us Brady's heir apparent.


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    In Response to Re: Patriots Draft REPORT CARD : You are an intelligent and reasonable Pat's fan, so it is a pleasure to discuss this with you. I'm really not that hard on BB. I just don't rationalize his every move as the perfect one. He is an outstanding COACH. He is a shrewd trader. His team building skills overall are above average but lack well behind his coaching skills. He is far from the head of the class in drafting or FA signing. His legend was primarily built on the three SB wins and those were gained largly by having a number of outstanding players he did not acquire. He has benifitted greatly by having a HOF QB for most of his years with the Pats. His record without Brady has been rather dismal, making the playoffs only once in 7 tries. His collossal blunder of spygate boggles the mind. Actually, Brady's PR in the playoff loss to the jets was right about on his career playoff number. But yeah, he obviously didn't play his best. But I can almost assure you, if you allow a career 70 passer who has thrown more picks than TDs to put up a 127, you are going to lose. BB has tried to fix the D. But high picks like Butler, Spikes, Cunningham, Chung, Brace, Wheatley and Merriwheather have done little to fix the problem. Seven picks in the 2nd round or better on D and we have a dismal D to show for it. Nobody is winning a SB with a D this bad. The offense clearly was not a problem last year. So the holes you mention have a priority. The formula for success in the league these days is an elite QB and a stout D. Other formulas can work but are not nearly as likely. The very strong O and blah D formula will win you a ton of games during the season but when you face good D in the playoffs your outstanding O just might get stopped and you need that stout D to keep you in it. Basically, BB has turned us into the Colts. And this draft shows just more of the same failed philosophy. I would have preferred he traded up a few spots to get Quinn and taken Carimi at 28. I have no real problem with him going for a CB with 33. I had the needs as OLB, OL, DE, CB in that order. I don't see much of a change to the team from this draft. We are still the Colts North. Maybe he will sign a FA that will dazzle me and change that perception.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    hey babeparilli,
     i share your observations and opinions and commented several times on the thread "Is there an explanation for this madness?" by spetznaz. it's refreshing  to see some people (other than me) saying what they see without fearing being called "you're not a true fan" by others who are fearful and defensive about our team while insisting to not see what is right in front of them.
     
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    In Response to Patriots Draft REPORT CARD : Color me: Baffled Needs were OL (addressed), DE/OLB (ignored), and a stub RB (FUGHEDABOUDIT!) Year after year we hear about trades to accumulate draft picks for "next year". I'm going to be honest and say that I no longer care or will ever get excited about BB's trading for additional picks "nexst year". I've been teased one time too often, and feel like Charlie Brown despite KNOWING that Lucy's going to pull the football away at the last minute. Never again. I don't care if he trades the first #1 for 3 future #1's, and then takes a blind, one legged punter with a restructured knee with the other #1. I'll read about it in the papers, and get ready for yet another underachieving postseason (can you say "One and done"?) after going 11-5 or 12-4. Hey! I live in Phoenix, and am used to this. Look at the Suns for those many years.... 55 wins, and a "See ya later!" Even with Barkley playing, they were 1 player away, and never pilled the trigger to get one, but added "fringe" players instead. It's agreed that this year's draft was not particularly deep. But, while having 6 of the top 96 picks, with the exception of Solder, in my opinion, they came away empty handed. No one can convince me that they could have drafted 6 good/solid/quality guys that would have filled immediate needs, and NOT have injury/sickness issues in their background. They took an injury prone DB in round #2, and a cancer patient later on. I get the Solder pick; gotta keep Brady upright whenever possible. But the trades? Anyone still proud as punch and happy as hell over the Matthews fiasco? ANyone still honestly beliueve that Chung is THE answer? Instead of Matthews, we have a player that has not risen to being a solid starter and even a whisper of a Pro Bowl caliber player! But, the TRADE was made. I refuse to believe that the two RB's drafted COMBINED will stir any concerns of game play changing but the opposition. But, let's pass on Ingram. remember, "servicable" gets you less than 70 YPG and an early tee time in January, when facing stout NFL defenses in the playoffs. I find it amusing that "servicable" will never qualify for the QB, or OL position, but fits admirably at RB, when a big name, HEISMAN WINNING player is available. My grade: "H", as in "Here we go again...." Sure, I'll watch the games, seeing them rack up another 11-13 wins, and get bounced in the first or divisional round yet again. I'll read and hear about BB's ability to work wonders with "what he's got", while remembering that "what he's got" is EXACTLY what he wanted, instead of having what he should of/could of had. I'm not falling into that trap again. I'll never defend his roster for underachieving again. Admire that 'servicable" gropu pf RB's that NET less than 80 yards in the playoffs. Marvel at the guy that they drafted AFTER passing up Matthews. As of today, his best chance of getting to Canton is via a bus ticket. It's been a week and I'm STILL disappointed........ Saddest part is that he'll do it all over again in next year's draft.
    Posted by AZPAT


    "Needs were OL (addressed), DE/OLB (ignored), and a stud RB (FUGHEDABOUDIT!)"

    love it! thanks for the humor and the reality!

    " I'll never defend his roster for underachieving again."

    i wish about 500 other people who post here would say that.

    admit it, great coach, great ability to stockpile picks, average or below average
    talent evaluation/draft selection ability. if they ran their house more professionally (like the other top franchises do) with a good gm, bb's abilities and brady's abilities could be most utilized.

    we should have won more super bowls
    and we should have selected difference makers on defense in recent years.
    this year alone, many teams drafted much better in my eyes, including the teams drafting behind us. and i will say again, draft pick accumulation only works as a strategy if you are willing to use the bounty you have created to draft the  top players you need to win a championship.
     
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    The problem with the folks who think BB is an average at best GM is that they don't have anybody to compare in the league with the exception of maybe Pittsburgh.  To stay at the top and consistently draft at the end of the order is truly something.  Always there.

    Another angst is the last two playoff losses.  They can't differentiate the two and the differences are glaring.

    You have to question the mantra.  No pass rush therefore BB can't draft and the draft is poor.  Silly. 
     
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    Chad Finn reminds us that "none of us knows a damn thing", http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/05/pass_rusher.html
     
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