Re: Patriots looking to to sign their 3rd fullback
posted at 3/27/2012 3:56 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Patriots looking to to sign their 3rd fullback
Laz, basically you are looking at what's shaping out to be an exotic look with a 2 TE base. For this you'll have a heavy base package: TE's: Fell's and Gronk WR: Lloyd and/or Welker RB: Ridley and/or FB/Hern This will most likely be the main running and play action formation standard base package TE's: Hern and Gronk Z WR: Lloyd F WR: Welker RB: Ridley or Vereen or Woodhead depending on opponent and game time situation This is the formation looks normal for a standard 2 TE base, what makes it exotic is that all can be considered receivers with the addition of Hern being motioned into a H back role as a RB on lead block FB Protection spread TE's: Gronk Z WR: Stallworth/Lloyd X WR: Ocho/Branch/Hern Y WR: Welker/Edelman/Gonz RB: Woodhead or FB if it's max protection spread then Gronk and the FB will be left in for protection if it's a option spread then Hern and Woodhead will be in for the option. This again is exotic as either of the TE's can go wide and the FB can be motioned out with Hern motioned in Empty back field TE: Gronk Z WR: Stallworth/Lloyd X WR: Branch/Ocho F WR: Welker/Hern Y WR: Edelman/Gonz/Woodhead This one is dependant on match ups as you can have multiple types of WR's on the field at the same time ala 1 Z, 2 F, and a Y or 1 Z, 1 X and 2 Y Goal line TE: Fells, Hern, and Gronk RB: Ridley and FB basically a 3 TE heavy base with the exception that Hern acts like a Y WR who can stay in to block
Posted by PatsEng
^ Take a look at this folks... Fan-freakin'-tastic=TeamWork. PatsEng, by you offering 2 things from above, something clicked idea-wise. So check out the following thought and it's potential, and you or anyone, tell me what'cha think here...
Now, In this 1 Base Package...
1 Standard big-blocking TE, who's also anywhere from above-average in 1 case, to excellent in the other, In the pass-catching threat department: Rob Gronkowski (6'6 265lbs) & Daniel Fells (6'4 252lbs)...alright?
1 Z-Wide Receiver: Brandon Lloyd, then Donte Stallworth, then Britt Davis (funny how these guys with the similiar skill-sets and physical make-ups, were not 1, but 3 different pick-ups this offseason, huh?)
0 X-Wide Receiver: Neither Branch Nor Ocho deployed in this 2 wideout set-up package.
1 Y-Wide Receiver: Wes Welker, then either Julian Edelman or Anthony Gonzalez (Weird how we'd overdue it at this spot too, right? Might be simply a worrisome concern regarding WW's franchise tag...buuut, their very well might be more to this than simply that alone).
1 Biggerback- And now, here's the funny part regarding Tony Fiammetta And Eric Kettani AND Stevan Ridley as well.
< />Tony Fiammetta (6'0 245lbs)/Here's a scouting take on him, from his draft analysis report:Analysis
Positives: Very solid build in the upper and lower bodies with long arms. Lines up with his hand down on the line, as well as in motion and in the backfield. Quick to get to the edge when in motion. Takes outs the linebackers and safeties in the hole with a nice pop. Sustains his blocks through the whistle by locking on and moving his feet. Good hands, and can adjust to low throws or those behind him. Runs through cut blocks in the open field. Quick set in pass protection; able to handle oncoming blitzers. Sorts through trash to neutralize the middle linebacker, and has the strength to put him to the ground.
Negatives: Not the wide-chested thumper some teams prefer. A bit slow getting into his routes as a receiver.
~In Fiammetta's final 2 years as a Junior and Senior at Syracuse, He ran the ball a grand total of just 8X...YET: In those same 2 Collegiate Seasons, Fiammetta hauled in 28 Receptions- VERY high for a Fullback, playing in the college ranks nonetheless too.
< />Eric Kettani (5'115 235lbs)/And so HERE is a scouting take on him, during Kettani's Draft Year:
2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
Eric Kettani, FB, Navy
A Navy back in the 2009 NFL Draft? You bet! Eric Kettani started all of the Midshipmen's thirteen games in 2006 as a fullback, where he rushed for 229 yards on 53 attempts (4.3 avg) with a TD. In 2007, Kettani started five of thirteen games for Navy. He rushed for 880 yards on 152 carriers (5.8). Good frame, although he needs to add more weight and upper body strength. Powerful legs. Great leg drive. Tough to bring down. Runs with passion and determination. Find spaces between the tackles. A willing blocker who likes contact. Good set of soft hands. Slow (4.6). Limited athletic ability. Although he has good hands, his route running skills are underdeveloped. Needs more time in the weight room. Kettani is not as strong or physically impressive as other fullback prospects, but he has determination and runs very hard. Plus, he does have one of the softer sets of hands in the nation.
~Eerily similiar, right? 2 seperate scouting sites too, RE: Kettani & Fiammetta's seperate analysises (NFL.com & FFToolbox respectively).
< />Stevan Ridley (5'113 230lbs)Finally, Here's 2 quick scouting takes on Ridley from before last year's draft:
Strengths-Thickly built and well muscled. North-South runner who hits the hole hard. Shows good vision and nice burst. Runs with good power and keeps legs churning. Is tough to bring down. Shows good hands as a receiver. Will lower the shoulder.
Positives: Good size. Competitive and runs with urgency. Good lean and leg drive to churn through and spin off contact. Nice inside run vision. Powers through arm and ankle tackles. Catches naturally out of the backfield. Willing blocker who does not hesitate to initiate contact.
~Really, we all witnessed Ridley's surprisingly soft hands during preseason. Weird though, right?
Now, Here's what'cha just made me wonder (and man, It lends some serious credence towards the Matt Forte Rumours):
HB that's versatile enough to be deployed as a pass-catching TE (in motion, pass-catching TE-HB, HB-pass-catching TE): Matt Forte (6'2 220lbs): EVERY single one of his 4 seasons thus far in the pros=50+-60+ receptions...Each Year. CRAZY receiving threat for a good RB (sh#t, even a stellar 3rd down runningback)...
Pass-Catching TE that's versatile enough to be deployed behind a big FB, and O-Line with a big TE as an added beast in the run game (Again, same deal, Pass-catching TE or HB, to be determined any way you see fit per defensive look and match-ups of personell): Aaron Hernandez (6'1 245lbs). Hernandez: 8 seperate Running Plays given him, in this past postseason alone.
Simple worrisome question mark: Durability of Hernandez and continuing durability of Forte. Both guys, are HIGH producers, and have gotten b#nged up the past couple seasons...yet: 2 Guys splitting time along with that reduced wear & tear, + When the play calls for them to be deployed as a HB running the ball, you now have SUCH a powerful front ahead of you to take just a bit more of that brutal RB pounding away (1 Big FB cleaning up the way through 5 O-Linemen + 1 Big Blocking TE (6'4-6'6 and 255-265lbs).