Patriots Missing Aggressiveness and Ball Hawking Skills?

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    Patriots Missing Aggressiveness and Ball Hawking Skills?

    Bend but don't break works well most of the time, but I'm wondering if we need a little aggressiveness back and to work on ball hawking skills.  It just seems like a long time ago when we used to create more turnovers than giving the ball away.

    Maybe it would contribute to a better red zone defense and special teams play.
    Maybe we just don't have the personnel.
    Maybe our offense needs to carry the team until our unknown defense can gel.

    IMHO, the Patriots may make the playoffs, but won't go far w/o a better D.

    Just some thoughts...
     
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       Agree we don't have the personel.We need a Brian Cox type player someone too fear- we don't have such a player.
     
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    Wow , if you are already know how this team is going to play D how abt some help with the winning lottery number for next week.
     
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    [QUOTE]   Agree we don't have the personel.We need a Brian Cox type player someone too fear- we don't have such a player.
    Posted by dwhite1220[/QUOTE]

    WE DONT HAVE A PLAYER THAT IS FEARED ON DEFENSE? Wow, I have to disagree on that note. First there is Mayo, he is going to blow offenses up even more then last year he is definately someone to be feared, and then there is A. Thomas who looks like he is ready to have a pro bowl year from what I have seen. Merriweather and Sanders are not Harrison but they are not to be discounted either.
    These guys are the regular studs then add in situational rushing specialists like Banta Cain and this defense will have plenty of attacking power. This defense and how good it could be which is very good hinges on one thing interior line play from  Wilfork, Brace Pryor and Warren.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wow , if you are already know how this team is going to play D how abt some help with the winning lottery number for next week.
    Posted by msatz76[/QUOTE]

    BRAVO!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Re: Patriots Missing Aggressiveness and Ball Hawking Skills?

    People are missing the point that this post was about...the patriots lack the playmaking defender. We dont have it in Mayo. Only 1 season under his belt and hes a great defender already but didnt sack the QB at all last year and never got an interception. The team traded away their team leading sacker to the raiders. They traded away their second leading sack artist to Kansas City. Big Play Bruschi wont be intercepting Peyton Manning anymore. Name a playmaker on defense? I cant without predicting the future...ie - "Merriweather will have a huge year" or "A. Thomas will stay healthy and become a player we all thought he could be before he signed a big deal with us"

     
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    Re: Patriots Missing Aggressiveness and Ball Hawking Skills?

    Isn't that point rather trivially true? They have 6 out of 11 starting defensive spots with different starters - SS, WILB, RE, both CBs, LOLB.  In addition, they've got a new defensive scheme.  OF COURSE you're going to have to project the new starters into their roles.

    Let's not lose sight of the fact that they didn't have an attacking defense at all last year.  They lost their top two sack leaders, but it's not like those guys generated a ton of sacks; they were marginal as pass rushers.

    Is this change a risk? Any change is a risk. But they really needed to make a change to get more aggressive and get some new personnel in, and they did.
     
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    creating/forcing turnovers is something that has slipped . . . let's hope increased pressure on the QB creates some errant throws and create opportunities
     
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    You will see a lot more from this D come Monday night. BB doesnt show his cards in the Pre Season. Im not saying they will be great, but it wont be so bland
     
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    [QUOTE]People are missing the point that this post was about...the patriots lack the playmaking defender. We dont have it in Mayo. Only 1 season under his belt and hes a great defender already but didnt sack the QB at all last year and never got an interception. The team traded away their team leading sacker to the raiders. They traded away their second leading sack artist to Kansas City. Big Play Bruschi wont be intercepting Peyton Manning anymore. Name a playmaker on defense? I cant without predicting the future...ie - "Merriweather will have a huge year" or "A. Thomas will stay healthy and become a player we all thought he could be before he signed a big deal with us"
    Posted by Boston-kyle[/QUOTE]

    Bruschi interception? How many years agowas that now? Vrabel? First he wasn't 2nd. AD was and that was while playing only 9 games. We don't know anything about the D yet and we won't until 3/4 way through the season and that would also be the case even if some of the guys you mentioned were still here. 

    The point is that its a new year. EVERY year is different, even if the same players returned because NO ONE knows what will happen.

     
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    [QUOTE]People are missing the point that this post was about...the patriots lack the playmaking defender.  Name a playmaker on defense? I cant without predicting the future...ie - "Merriweather will have a huge year" or "A. Thomas will stay healthy and become a player we all thought he could be before he signed a big deal with us"
    Posted by Boston-kyle[/QUOTE]

    I do not think anyone is missing the point - we understand the point. But if we had Bruschi or Harrison would we have a "playmaking defender"? I do not think so. Bruschi and Harrison WERE "playmaking defenders" but would not be this year. So we do not have any. We all admit that  - at least I admit that.

    So, we all admit there are no "playmaking defenders" right now, but that does not mean there will not be some this year. Can Mayo, Thomas, Merriweather, Bodden, Springs, Guyton, Burgess, Wilfork, Wilhite setup and be playmaking defenders? We will have to wait and see. BB and crew did not think Hobbs and others were going to be playmakers so they changed players.

    My point is that at some juncture you have to try out new guys - the Bruschis and Harrisons do not last forever. We tried Hobbs, did not work, move on. We tried Eugene Wilson, we tried ONeal, we have tried a bunch of guys, and now we are going to try a bunch of new guys. The Pats do not sit around and hope. HOPE IS NOT A STRATEGY. We hope that our defense is good in the second half of the season because we are younger, faster, stronger, but maybe we do not have playmakers. We have to wait and see.

    If we do not have any playmakers, than I am sure we will see turnover in the defensive personnel. But don't go off the deep end if the first 5 or 7 weeks are not great. You have to give the new guys the season to try and establish themselves - it will take all year to see if we have "playmaking defenders" or not. If not - I am sure BB and crew will adjust ..................
     
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    Re: Patriots Missing Aggressiveness and Ball Hawking Skills?

    I love how people look at last years team and all the vet's we've lost to judge just how the D will respond this year, but they completely discount rookies and sophomore players probably because of "don't count on rookies" stigma.  Well I for one am pumped up to see how many interceptions Meriweather and Butler make, the hard hits Chung lays down and the multitude of plays the free agents will make.

    If you don't think Adalius Thomas and Burgess are aggressive or feared than you're clueless.  Meriweather has a nose for the ball and will be a ball hawk at free safety this season, especially in tandem with the younger, improved pass rush we'll have.  We haven't seen Vince Wilfork's best season yet, this preseason already he has been a beast and traditionally this year in a defensive lineman's career is his standout year; he scares me watching from my TV.  Don't judge this D yet, because you may end up looking silly after Monday night football.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wow , if you are already know how this team is going to play D how abt some help with the winning lottery number for next week.
    Posted by msatz76[/QUOTE]

    hmmm
    Take Away/Givaway
    2008 Pats ranked #9 at +1 in AFC - Didn't make it to the playoffs
    2007 Pats ranked #3 at +16 in AFC - Lost in superbowl
    2004 Pats ranked #7 at +9 in AFC - won superbowl
    2003 Pats ranked #2 at +17 in AFC - won superbowl

    2008 Red Zone Defense Ranking = #31. We were better than Detroit.

    I guess the only direction we can go is up........lol
     

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