Pats are in good shape, stop with the negative

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    Pats are in good shape, stop with the negative

    Nothing but jets sign, dolphins sign, pats sitting around not doing much we need help.  Please stop, here's how I look at it and hope some agree that we are not in as bad of shape as these fake pats fans are posting.

    FA - We signed two of the biggest FAs in the market, VW was top 5 and bodden top 10 FAs in the market signed them both.  Keep leaders in the locker and now have empowered VW to be more of a vocal leader.

    Last year's draft which some fans are calling busts to a lot of the players was actually a good draft.  Yes we passed on some guys who turned out to be excellent but that happens to every team.

    Chung is a football player and will develop into an enforser in the secondary
    Brace did not show what we all wanted but I would not call him a bust, IMO he will improve this year and be involved in more plays.  In 43 sets he and VW will be an unmovable wall.
    Butler he is a great pick and will be the #2 this year, he is a solid in man.  When he played he was good not great but look at the two rookies in Miami they also had moments of "rookieism"
    Vollmer do I need to say anything about him?
    Tate Great selection, 1st round talent.  He will be a very good WR showed flashes in the two games he played in.  He will be the #2 this year, he participated in meetings all year long.  Learned the offense and studied.
    McKenzie freak injury, excellent value for a guy who will be the starter not too far in the future
    Ohrnberger helped last season, gives some flexibility and depth on the OL can play RG this year.  IMO he will make competition interesting this summer to be the starting RG.  He can pull and run ahead of RBs, if he can put on a few extra lbs without lossing his mobility he will be the starter.
    Bussey placed on IR, was a very talented player in college and played both at guard and tackle.  The coaches were extremely high on his football IQ, he could also make a play to fill that RG spot
    Jake Ingram not much have to be said, did well as the LS
    Myron Pryor other than Vollmer he was the surpriced of the draft, he had sucess and no reason he will not continue to do so this year. He will be in rotation at DE.
    Edelman can't wait to see his improvement his second season in the system
    Richard added depth to the DL, a run stuffer DE.  He should remain in the team and play in rotation

    This year the pats addressed their biggest need which was keeping VW and Bodden not a shut down CB but solid.  With an improved rush he will be better.

    So what is the team need to do, with all these second year guys and I'm not including Crable (back or not) two other CBs the Ws going into their third year the Pats are in possition to improve key needs.  OLB, TE, WR, RB (#1 of the future although we could see tate become that guy) and a OT.  With Bussey and Ohr on the team plus Dan Connoly who I would like to see be the starter at center the team probably picks up a RT for the future if light stays on the team this year.
    On the defensive side, a pass rusher, DE that can also rush are the two key needs.
    TE is a very deep position in this draft, they can pickup two one in the 2nd and another in later rounds (a blocking TE)
    WR Need the #1 to replace moss next year as I said Tate might be that guy
    RB although there are 5 on the team bringing LMs replacement now should be looked at, with all the depth with big backs I see the Pats grabing one.

    The Pats have the 22nd and 3 2nd rounders, IMO they will bring back Burgess who improved the 2nd half of the season and should fill in on the weak side once AD is traded or released.
    So for those who say they have not improved because we are not collecting names I say you are wrong.  The Pats have improved because they have both 2nd year guys who were rookies last year and guys who were vets and now are in their second season in this system.

    Add a few key guys this year, Odrick/Graham 22, Alualu/Hughes 44, RB/WR/TE/CB 48, RB/WR/TE/CB 53 and this team is better.

    The biggest area of need on the o side is OL, the pats didn't allow many sacks but that is because of Brady not because the OL kept him clean.  He was hit too often and can't continue next season.
    I hope to see the biggest changes there, Light traded, Vollmer LT, Mankins LG, Connoly C, Bussey/Ohr RG, RT is not on the team Katzur is not it. 
    So with another good draft this year which by the way is one of the deepest drafts I remember the Pats still remain the team to beat in the east.  Let the Jets keep signing names, LT will be a TO cancer when he doesn't get the ball, Cromarty will have too many balls thrown his way to be as good as his 2007 numbers.
    Miami did improve with the MLB Dansby, are they better than the Pats no it will take more than that for them to move ahead of the Pats.
     
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    BINGO! 
     
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    nice post pats 7393...good breakdown...if breer could do that he might gain a following...it just shows there is a lot of room for optimism...when you add that with retaining 4 starting unrestricted fa's it should put a clamp on the sky is falling crowd and now we can go improve more via the draft...good looks!
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree. Let's say we let Wilfork and/or Bodden walk and we made some other acquisitions, those same fans would say "Ok we got such and such but we lost Wilford and/or Bodden because management is cheap and they sat around as Miami and the Jets made moves." Be patient and make intelligent moves, and you're still halfass. Go aggressive and sign anybody and everybody, and we're the Redskins all of a sudden.

    People are overlooking the draft. We can still get impact players from the draft, even receivers. I'm assuming that Belichick knows he can't whiff on this draft. I think many of his previous picks are still up for a verdict but it's looking good thus far. Also, we can still trade for players during the draft. Remember how we landed Randy Moss?
     
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    This kind of negativity and ANGST always happens EVERY year on this board. The Patriots have NEVER been big players in FA, except for the Adalius Thomas debacle. The Patriots always try to flesh out the team after the other teams shed proven vets. Then we develop players through the draft and lose half of them to FA because we can't keep them all. If some of these clowns had followed the Patriots since the early 60's they would realize we are in the Very Best of Times or the VBT's. If we had a cap limit of $300 Million BB couldn't satisfy some of these paranoid people.
     
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    russ...dont be surprized to see us move back with one of the seconds, back into the third...with an additional pick somewhere else....
     
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    Bodden is more than solid.  Get him a rush and a better D to play on and watch him go to a Pro Bowl.   He's never played on a good defense before. Last year's D was the best D he';s ever played on, so do the math a little. If NE does DE, OLB and CB in this draft, in the top 4 picks for example, and you add that with what they have in camp, watch out.  And I agree this is a huge draft, but BB traded out two years in a row for this specifically.  3 2nd rd picks means you get 1st rd talent (by most accounts) for 2nd rd money.  It's really a fantastic move.  If he doesn't hit on these first 4 or even the 4th rd pick, the latter being more like a 3rder, then yeah, it's a major problem.  I just expect quality here because this is the deepest draft in 2 decades (by some accounts).
    Posted by russgriswold


    I give Bodden a solid right now, he has all the tools to be an excellent CB.  He showed this in Cleveland and then went to Detroit(throw those stats away), in NE he had 5 Ints 3 coming in the same game.  I want to see him in yr 2 with an improved rush and see what he does, he sure is a key signing this off season.

    two wildcards which could help improve coverage, here is the first which I have been called crazy and sure am in the minority here.

    Move Merri to CB, he has played CB before and gives him less of the field to worry about.  IMO he would be better as a CB, second move Wilhite to a slot CB and not put him with a team's #2 receiver.  His rookie year he did very well in this role and I think witlie gets one more chance this year but nothing about a #3/4.
    So at safety, I am also in the minority but numbers show that the D was better when Sanders started, I would have Sanders and Chung starting.
     
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    BB will hit on the first four picks, I am hoping we find the diamonds in the rough in the latter rounds. Jimmy Johnson once said and I like this philosophy, he used the 5, 6, and 7th rounds not like that, he used them as 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds for the special team players, and development types. If the athlete wasn't there he wanted he tried to bank those in trades. The guy was real good in the 7 round draft sysytem.
    Posted by bobbysu


    Good comparison, maybe reason the two get together every year.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2009/04/14/draft_will_make_a_strong_contender_stronger/
     
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    i think mcgowan is a better hitter than sanders/merriweather...he hits harder and wraps up well. He puts his nose on the ball and caused turnovers in several games early...the change was likely made(guessing) because mcgowan didnt know defense well enough and didnt get people in position(maybe merriweather was doing this early) Sanders knows d well...but he is late to the hole alot or to the edge...mcgowan filled that specialty(covered tight ends...what ever) role late in the season..but I think chung will eventually be the strong safety...though it seems most of them are interchangeble in that role. I like merriweather but he drops balls and doesnt wrap up...not to mention he got sucked into the hole several times on play action...
     
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    wilfork was already on the team.he just got his contract extended.bodden is good to have back.add the need for pass rushers that was no where on the team.add the third receiver help the team needed real bad last season,and now welker will miss half if not all of this season so now a no.2 and 3 receiver is needed.two good ones that is.the draft is good for the pats in two or three years.but they wont take the pats over the top this year.things that make you go Hmm.
     
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    Yeah, we have no chance.  Let's forfeit the season.  Wow.
     
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    Good post, good constructive reasoning, nice comparison's lets hope you are right. But remember this,  its not really negativity coming from the Pats fans, its a caring, a warmth and desire to have this team back in the upper echelon of the prestigious football world. And lets not forget many of these fans pay money in some form or another to watch this great team and here in this forum they take all that nervous energy, tension and fear of losing and openly express themselves. WHat better way to get it off your chest. So those that would jump on the people with concerns with hateful or hurt feeling criticism I say to you also take a step back and welcome your fellow Patriot brothers with open arms, not closed fists, can I get an Amen?Surprised
     
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    To ALL:

    First, pretty good post 7393.  Second, I'm gonna tell it like it is:  The Patriots are in the same shape that they were in the last season.  The Jets right now are in better shape. 

    Listen...Do I, or Would I want NE to do the same moves that the NYJ's are doing, or be even bigger free agency players like Chicago, spending wildly on free agents?  No way...  New England tried that in '07 when we needed less overall pieces to try to hammer home yet another championship team, a time when either the pieces we had were still here/were still younger than those that are even remaining from those championship teams now in 2010.  NE WILL be competitive in 2010...count on that.  I feel pretty priveledged to have a head coach that seems to always make that a certainty.  NE will almost certainly NOT win the championship this upcoming season...You ALL can pretty much count on that too.  Sorry, for the reality check yet again.  I know, it's just crazy WHY teams cannot win championships for 30 staright years with salary caps (except 1 year), free agency, injuries, age, personell turnovers, and league changes...so weird.  Yet, I've survived as a Pat's Fan some of their far tougher years (and years and years)...so will you ALL.

    Each franchise is different.  NYJ's are poised for a Championship run that ideally NEEDS to happen within the next 1-3 (maybe 4-but doubtful) seasons.  NFL-esque middle-aged O-Line, young QB getting better, Defense that's mixed with aggressive youth and several knowledgable vets equally, young shutdown CB on top of his game.  They see their chances now.  Teaming Shonn Greene and their current RB coming back from an injury with a vet who's role will be reduced but CAN be for them an excellent 3rd down back with more open formations because he's lost a step but with his knowledge of the game, In Ladamian Tomlinson-IS a good move by NY.  Likewise, Teaming Revis's less-gambling, but utterly solid shutdown CB abilities on an opposing offense's #1 WR, WITH Cromartie's decent coverage, Yet bad coverage gambling-SHOULD be offset nicely with Revis's solid coverage on the #1 guy and an attacking Jet's blitzing Defense.  SEE People, THESE moves make sense for the NYJ's. 
         Likewise, The Chicago Bears many losing years coupled with a fickle fanbase and winning past tradition and the coaches trying to keep their own heads AND the Bears giving away half their draft picks to Denver last year, THEN Chicago's big free agency spending MAKES sense for their franchise...  And If you say it doesn't make sense for Chicago, My simple reciprocal argument would be that It would make a he!!-of-alot LESS sense for New England to do what The Bears did thus far...

    Again, Each Franchise IS different.  NE, as much as it pains me to say, IS in Rebuilding mode.  Most of our spoiled fans who have only been following this team since the 2000's, Don't see it since Belichick ALWAYS puts a competitor on the field during his tenure.  NE should in NO way sell the future short by trading what WILL be and who will be- Core-Team starters in this upcoming draft, the deepest draft in anyone's memory, By trading some or any of their early and numerous draft selections in exchange for simply 1 of several needed pieces and parcels...  Not only will they be selling a future dynastic run short, BUT there are simply far too many needed pieces as it stands now.  
        
    Yet 1 more reality check: 
         4 O-Lineman past the age of 30 (but yes, 3 very young and some very decent looking O-Lineman waiting in the wings...but they need time to gel just as they need a couple more decent guys). 
         Needed: 1-2 decent runningbacks (one of the easier straight-from-college positions to be able to have an immediate impact with in the pros...so don't sweat this- I see Maroney moving to a 3rd down scat-back with Faulk retiring in some decade). 
         Needed: 1 impact true 3-4 DE (the 2010 draft is deeper in potential 3-4 DE's then I can ever closely remember). 
         Needed: 1 CB (this year OR next-Not a problem-Wilhite sux even at nickel, but NE can get a decent enough rookie CB to place in a limited role as a nickel for a year to go along with the Butler/Bodden combo-THEN Butler nd that Rook will be a pair of young CBs and NE can sign a vet to shore up that duo for the long-term).      
         Needed: 2 OLBs (hopefully NE can sign Burgess now as a strongside OLB, and draft in this pretty decent 2010 class-as many college DE-NFL OLBs have slipped due to bust potential, A weakside pass-rushing specialist...THEN NE can and will sign a decent strongside OLB vet in a year to team with a decent core of young guys in Crable and one of either McKenzie/Guyton). 
         Needed: 1 strongside ILB (here's the weird one with Guyton occupying that role badly this year-It remains to be seen IF BB wants 2 similiar sized ILBs in order to mix up the looks given to offenses (or IF this is even at all possible), OR IF BB has to have the bigger, somewhat slower 6'3 almsot 260lb smash-mouth strongside guy to free up the smaller, faster, sure-tackling weakside guy...THIS is where McKenzie/Guyton who's true niche(s) have yet to be carved on this Defense/future defense, both come in).
         Needed: 1-2 Wide Receivers.  (Edelman at slot-with Welker back in a year, so THAT position is fine.  NE needs hopefully just 1 #2 possession wideout IF Tate can come along nicely, THEN-let's be honest here- a #1 WR with Moss in his 30's and his contract up after this season.  Hopefully an excellent rookie this year targeted with not less than 1 of the first 3 picks, Who shows flashes of #1 WR abilities-Arrelious Benn, Brandon LaFell, Damian Williams-ALL show these flashes and they need to be taken with that first second rounder to work as the #2 guy this year and/or guy to team with Tate as a possession wideout with Edelman/Moss being the other duo)...

    ~Sorry ALL, My points are that:  A-The needs are too many right now, so that...  B-It makes ZERO sense selling your future short when the positional needs are too much (yes, even for Tom Brady-who's only 29 years old, so he can handle at it MAKES sense TO handle 1-2 upcoming rebuilding years, so Brady will be what? 31-32 for the next dynastic run?)-BECAUSE... C-IF it didn't work in 2007 with a big free agency spending on NE's part, Then in 2010 with More needs and More age in the players who are further away then even in the '07 season, It makes ZERO sense to sell the future of this team short.

    So s#ck it up everyone...               
     
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    Chung was also only 20 yo last year, I believe. Younger than most other rookies even though he was a 4 year player.

    We definitely need to draft for immediate impact this year, though.



     
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    I agree with everything you say Pats7393 but for different reasons. Either you can enjoy football in the offseason and look at the good things this team has going for it or you can look at all the bad things then load up the Sig P226 and chew on the Barrel. I will forever be a glass half full guy when it comes to football because that's the only way it can be a source of entertainment. Good post!! I haven't figured out whether all the negative and angry posts are coming from Pats fans or trolls yet but there are quite a few out there.
     
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    Laz good points but I think you missed the point of the thread if you say we are in the same position as last year.  We have 10 guys who got playing time as rookies, 3 more that were on IR but I know of Tate been in the meetings and learning with the offense.
    Here's a mock I have on the mock draft thread, I changed on pick in the 2nd but IMO most of these guys can be starters (1st to 4th rnd) day one.  They fill the holes and bring youth to both sides of the ball.  Not hopping to turn this into a mock thread but here's how these players who are all realistic options could help an already younger team.

    # 22 Jared Odrick DE 6'5" 304 Penn State- Will replace RS and will bring a pass rush from the DE side, if he's not here Kyle Wilson or Brandon Graham.
    # 44 Jerry Hughes OLB 6'2" 255 TCU - Although I'm not completely sold on him he is been projected as the least high risk pick.
    # 48 Damian Williams WR 6'1 197 USC - Solid WR, good route runner good speed and hands.   
    # 53 Toby Gerhart RB 6'0" 230 Stanford - will be the #1 back from day one
    4th rnd Tony Moeaki TE 6'3" 245 Iowa - Great catching TE for TB to throw to, will create matchups.
    6th rnd Daniel Te'o-Nesheim OLB 6'4" 264 Washington - Tough LB, has a number of rush moves and good at stopping the run.  Could see him in rotation in ADs old spot.
    7th rnd Michael Hoomanawanui TE 6'4" 264 Illinois - Good blocker who can also catch the ball 
    7th rnd Casey Knips OT 6'7" 308 South Dakota State - Will sit learn this year and compete to start at RT in 2011

     
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    I agree with everything you say Pats7393 but for different reasons. Either you can enjoy football in the offseason and look at the good things this team has going for it or you can look at all the bad things then load up the Sig P226 and chew on the Barrel. I will forever be a glass half full guy when it comes to football because that's the only way it can be a source of entertainment. Good post!! I haven't figured out whether all the negative and angry posts are coming from Pats fans or trolls yet but there are quite a few out there.
    Posted by ewhite1065


    Thanks E, I'm with you with some of those posts been from trolls posting as a Pats fan. 
     
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    Re: Pats are in good shape, stop with the negative

    pat7393,

    i really like this post. i for one am still hoping they win it all. you put details on a theme that i have written about in past weeks - despite no big additions from fa, the pats will improve with a little more experience under the belts of the younger and newer members of the team. i expect bodden and tbc to play even better with the confidence they built last year, and am really hoping that vw gets healthy and shows more than he showed last year.

    i am not even expecting a lot from the draft. i have no doubt that ne will get good picks. that said, the draft's depth suggests to me that everyone will get good picks. it's hard for anyone to make a mistake in the first three rounds. ne just might get one more good player than other teams because of the number of picks that ne has. in general though it might be a wash.

    the only losers in the draft will be the likes of chicago. they knew that it was a mistake to give up picks on a year that is so full of talent, that they had to compensate by making bold, yet expensive moves in fa.

    in the eyes of many, ne is not a sb contender this year. i say that's great! let them go under the radar. nobody thought they were contenders back in 2001. i think they are in a similar situation where they were when they won it all for the first time.

    in fact, i heard on espn radio today that kiper predicted the pats would go 0-16 in 2001! i don't know when he said that exactly, but i am betting he said that after bledsoe was knocked out.

    and you know what? that prediction was not so crazy back then. your franchise qb was gone and was replaced by someone who was a back up in college, 6th round pick, with an average arm. back then as well, terry glenn was in the doghouse. everyday, i heard people scream for bb's head, on weei (i was still living there in boston then), because he kept the team's most talented player on the bench! beyond glenn and bledsoe, there really was no playmaker left on the team. zero. not bruschi, brown, faulk, smith, vinnateri, or anybody else in the team. their perceived level of talent back them was worse than the perceived talent now. so, to me, they actually have a better chance at teh sb than back at the beginning of 2001.

    cheers



     
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    Re: Pats are in good shape, stop with the negative

    Concern is not a negative.

     
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    Concern is not a negative.
    Posted by Tcal2


    No, but the panic that has been in here is a negative and annoying.....
     
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    Concern is not a negative.
    Posted by Tcal2


    Concern is one thing, saying the coach has lost it they are done because no big outside names have been signed, we have no TEs what are they thinking and on and on that is negatives.

    The Pats have done exactly what they needed to do, keep their own FAs, tender RFAs at a high tag and stay away from over paying for FAs in the market.

    Next season a CBA will be in place, next year there will be a ton of really good FAs in the market and also a salary cap.  Teams like Chicago, Atlanta, Miami ect will not be able to go after FAs because they have spent this year and overpaid for a few big name FAs.

    The Pats are in a perfect spot, can they reach the SB this year?  Maybe maybe not but they have not sacrificed the future this year.  They will make the playoffs and maybe with some better play from the OL and DL we can get there but I'm ok with not and saving for 2011.
     
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    As one of the people who believes that the Pats didn't do enough this FA I have to say that I never said Belichick has lost it, he is the greatest coach in NFL history. What I believed isn't that the Pats should go after Peppers, Dansby, or Cromatie, but that they should build through the draft and use FA to bring in some talent. I don't care how deep this year's draft is, there is no way the Pats-- or any other team-- will draft a stud with every pick they have. I wanted the Pats to draft defensive players in the draft to get faster, stronger, more conditioned, and an OT to compliment Vollmer. But when it came to positions such as WRs, TEs, RBs, I wanted them to work FA. Let's be honest, the Pats haven't had success when it comes to drafting these position in the Belichick era. I wanted them to go get Antonio Bryant, they didn't even try. Go get Boldin, they didn't try, Mason, they never made him an offer. I wanted them to bring in Crumpler because he fits what they do with their TEs, they didn't. Thomas Jones was up for grabs, they just let him walk to KC. I don't think the Pats need an all-star at every position to win a SB, but they basically brought back the same team from last year. And when that team had to face quality opponents they got squashed--especially against the Saints. So when the Pats didn't make any attempt to bring in any new blood it left me puzzled. I love the Patriots, I'll cheer for them through thick and thin, but I don't think they can compete next year with this level of talent. 
     
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    dunno...mebbe some of the whiners should stop complaining about the whiners.

    The board has crybabies that complain about everything....then u got the koolaid drinking bunch who still think the Patriots are perfect and are the best team in the universe. Both tend to resort in personal insults when they've got nothing else to say and/or because it makes them feel better/superior about themselves.
     
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    In Response to Re: Pats are in good shape, stop with the negative : No, but the panic that has been in here is a negative and annoying.....
    Posted by m1021us




    ahhhh, the hypocrisy....
     
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