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    Yeah I know BB knows what he's doing but I'm really bored at work so I'm trying to stir things up, ok?

    Yes, Dillon helped in the Colts game.  But he was pretty much invisible against the Steelers and Eagles (1 rushing TD against the Eagles, big deal).  And Dillon flat out sucked in 2005 and 2006.  Sorry but he did, and that's when he wasn't injured.  His rushing TDs came in goal line situations - it was the result of good blocking upfront.  Lots of other backs could have done it.  And he was always winded by the second half, even when splitting reps with Maroney, Faulk and Evans in the 2006 AFC championship.  Just because the Cardinals and Cincinnati wasted their picks doesn't mean BB/SP would have. 
     
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    Bottom line....they'll spot him in situations in which he will excell.
     
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    he had 3 1/2 last yr.
    Posted by ZigZig

    only cause he didnt play the whole season out injured with a tricept no big deal good player on a bad team imagine him the on a good team
     
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    Dillon may have helped in the regular season but he didn't do much in the AFC championship or the super bowl.  And an extra 2nd round pick may very well have helped us get that elusive 4th ring during the past 4 agonizing years of disappointment. 

    In the 04 playoffs Dillon ran the ball 65 times for 292 yards for a 4.5 yard average. He also averaged 97.3 yards per game, second only to Dunn for that year. In the AFCCG he rushed for 73 yards and 1 TD, which was more than Bettis did. In the SB he was the leading rusher, albeit only for 75 yards. Brian Westbrook only rushed for 44. With Branch's 11 receptions it was clearly a pass first game. As far as second round picks go, the pick traded was #64, I believe. Belichick trades for seconds like a kid in the schoolyard trades for baseball cards! I seriously doubt that #64 pick would have been a future HOFer! For some reason you are down on Corey Dillon, that's your perrogative. But he was a tremendous help to this team in 04, and still contributed in 05. And I'm not sure how that in any way is related to them trading for Burgess. Unless you are suggesting that they use all their draft picks and never trade any away...except to get other or more picks. That wouldn't make sense to me. I would bet good money that they aquire a pick in the 10 draft which will fall before the one they traded to Oakland, making your objections moot.
     
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    Eli turned a below average Super Bowl victory performance into $97 million.  His career passing rating is a dismal 76.1
    Brady's is 92.9

    I'd say whatever little we spent on Dillon, paid huge dividends in 2004. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Pats get Burgess... : If Burgess does turn out to be a stud and signs for a big contract somewhere else, the Pats would likely get a compensation pick the following year - likely a 4th round if he signs for a decent deal elsewhere. 
    Posted by bobomul

     Good observation, I hope he has a monster year and we regain a pick.
     
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    People forget Burgess played LB in college. He can play the hybrid end and flex out. In Oakland, he was an every down end, but here expect to see him in Will because he is a 3 technique tackle quick enough to shoot C-D-E gaps or execute stunts as 7 or 9 technique. Anyone can shoot a D gap, but it takes speed to time a C gap, because that is a RT/TE gap. We will see how Burgess handles two-gap responsibility (he only had one-gap in the 4-3); apparently BB thinks he can or he would not be here. If Burgess plays three point stance lined up in 7 or 9 tech, watch to see how he slants on rolled coverages. That will basically tell us how much success he will have in the 3-4. Otherwise he sticks to sub packages.

    People think we run 3-4 all the time, but honestly expect to see plenty more nickel/dime subs, with beefed up fronts. Why? Because the 3-4 is the new in, and so you get offenses gearing to go around that. I would not be surprised to see us run sub packages all day long.
     
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    tebucky jones to the saints led to the pick that was traded to miami led to the pick that miami gave us led to corey dillon

    tebucky jones, in effect, for corey dillon
     
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    People forget Burgess played LB in college. He can play the hybrid end and flex out. In Oakland, he was an every down end, but here expect to see him in Will because he is a 3 technique tackle quick enough to shoot C-D-E gaps or execute stunts as 7 or 9 technique. Anyone can shoot a D gap, but it takes speed to time a C gap, because that is a RT/TE gap. We will see how Burgess handles two-gap responsibility (he only had one-gap in the 4-3); apparently BB thinks he can or he would not be here. If Burgess plays three point stance lined up in 7 or 9 tech, watch to see how he slants on rolled coverages. That will basically tell us how much success he will have in the 3-4. Otherwise he sticks to sub packages. People think we run 3-4 all the time, but honestly expect to see plenty more nickel/dime subs, with beefed up fronts. Why? Because the 3-4 is the new in, and so you get offenses gearing to go around that. I would not be surprised to see us run sub packages all day long.
    Posted by patpscyho


    Psycho - tell us in English.  Charts, definitions would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    People forget Burgess played LB in college. He can play the hybrid end and flex out. In Oakland, he was an every down end, but here expect to see him in Will because he is a 3 technique tackle quick enough to shoot C-D-E gaps or execute stunts as 7 or 9 technique. Anyone can shoot a D gap, but it takes speed to time a C gap, because that is a RT/TE gap. We will see how Burgess handles two-gap responsibility (he only had one-gap in the 4-3); apparently BB thinks he can or he would not be here. If Burgess plays three point stance lined up in 7 or 9 tech, watch to see how he slants on rolled coverages. That will basically tell us how much success he will have in the 3-4. Otherwise he sticks to sub packages. People think we run 3-4 all the time, but honestly expect to see plenty more nickel/dime subs, with beefed up fronts. Why? Because the 3-4 is the new in, and so you get offenses gearing to go around that. I would not be surprised to see us run sub packages all day long.
    Posted by patpscyho

    John Madden could have explained all of this in under a minute using two turkey legs and a plate as his props.  Where is Madden when you need him?

     
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    Gaps:


    E    D   C    B    A    A     B    C    D    E
    (X)       (LT)(LG) (C) (RG) (RT)(TE)        (X)


    Techniques:

    6   5   4  3    2    1    0    1   2   3   4    5    6
         (LT)   (LG)         (C)       (RG)    (RT)      (TE)

    With 0 being pure nose tackle. Wilkfork is a 0-technique, but he isn't called that, just the nose tackle..  7-9 or more, are anywhere above the numbered line, depending on the preference of the DC.  The three tech is responsible for shooting the gaps or executing stunt between the guard and tackle, hence the "three tech." 

    In a 4-3, one usually just has an one-gap responsibility, namely just one hole to aim for and shoot through. But to have a two-gap responsibility (in a 3-4) requires more discipline (Seau had trouble with this, he couldn't just let the play come to him). He may either have to cover or contain the A and B or the C and D gap, whether stuffing the run or go in on a jet stunt. Most players just want a one gap because then they can attack at the snap, rather than forcing themselves to sit back and diagnose two gaps, then act.

    A stunt and especially a slant is hard because you don't attack the gap you are lined up at, but criss-cross (and with a slant, you do with with two or more linemen doing a loop or cross-face which really tests your IQ and instinct). The idea with a stunt (let's say a jet stunt) is for the DE/DB to go wide of the OT while the DT hits the guard opposite of him. The DE/DB then suddenly works inside that space by the DT, and slips upfield. This renders the OT (offensive tackle) useless because he has to pick his poison. The other man goes for the QB (think Meriweather's perfectly-timed sack in Seattle for a FF).

     
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    I really hope this is less confusing because this post is actually a lot of oversimplifications- Coaches don't use simple numbers or letters- they go (for example) 3B6 or 4B6 which means you line up six inches on tackle side (outside side) of LG or RG. 
     
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    Thanks Pyscho.  But I'm still not reading the gaps/techniques clearly.  Any website you could point us to?
     
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    I really hope this is less confusing because this post is actually a lot of oversimplifications- Coaches don't use simple numbers or letters- they go (for example) 3B6 or 4B6 which means you line up six inches on tackle side (outside side) of LG or RG. 
    Posted by patpscyho
    this might help.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsnJ9jh9hik
     
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    Mosse......LOL! that clears it up
     
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    This is one gap thats needs to be stuffed. Every time I see him on tv I switch the channel....A-hole
     
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    Mosse......LOL! that clears it up
    Posted by Harleyroadking111
    i know if we cant figure it out,the professors could.
     
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    Burgess will end up being a steal. Just like Moss, I think that the Patriots winning ways will rub off on him. With a solid Defensive line up front, look for him to have a big year. Great pickup for the Pats! Good job Belichick and Co.!!!
     
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    Probably should just stop at this point. 

    Trust me when I say that compared next to a pro football coach, I know nothing.

    And compared to Bill Belichick, most pro football coaches knows nothing.

    You get the idea.
     
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    Probably should just stop at this point.  Trust me when I say that compared next to a pro football coach, I know nothing. And compared to Bill Belichick, most pro football coaches knows nothing. You get the idea.
    Posted by patpscyho
    im not criticizeing,just haveing fun.
     
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