Pats O-Line is the problem!!!!!

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    Pats O-Line is the problem!!!!!

    Please some one tell me I'm not alone in this, I've been saying this for past couple years... The line is not physical at all, they cant run block, now they can pass block... They have been getting by because Brady could move around in the pocket and know there is no pocket..... This blows.... Im tired of these guys, now that brady is some what shell shocked, the line is being dominated and its showing. No matter whose in the backfield there are no running lanes created by linemen only hole from draw plays from over aggressive defenders........
     
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    I'm with you.  I think this has been the under talked about story.  All of the talk about our OLB and pass rush, but I think our O-Line is our problem in the here and now.

    Again sounding like a broken record, but since the Eagles game of 2007, Brady was getting hit 1 in 10 pass attempts.  No so coincidentally, our offense was not as potent from the Eagles game on.  Cassell was pummeled last year.  It was all blamed on Cassell.  Our offennsive line isn't bad, but it's merely average.  Brady made it look better than it really was.  Against good defenses it struggles.  OK, most offensive lines struggle against good defenses.  It just means our O-Line is average, not great.  One thing is sure, if we don't address this, we will have trouble bringing home the Lombardi.

    I mentioned on the game thread that it seemed odd that we went into this game light on TE's.  We did the same thing in the last SB against the Giants.  Did we think that worked out well? 

    Oh well, as I've also said, having a division foe with a good defense will do a lot to ensure our post season success.    This might be what it takes to make folks realize we have protection issues, and do something about it.  If we don't address this, game 2 against the Jets will look the same.  No QB looks good with that much pressure.
     
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    Yeah the OL is built on pass blocking and seems not to be able to create holes for the running game. Nothing new here... Add a rusty Brady to the equation and you have a loss like today.
    What is more disappointing is the inability of the staff to craft a game plan against the Jets heavy blitzing.
     
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    [QUOTE]Yeah the OL is built on pass blocking and seems not to be able to create holes for the running game. Nothing new here... Add a rusty Brady to the equation and you have a loss like today. What is more disappointing is the inability of the staff to craft a game plan against the Jets heavy blitzing.
    Posted by FrogLegs[/QUOTE]

    I don't know that Brady was rusty in this game.  It's hard to throw perfect passes running for your life.
     
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    [QUOTE]Please some one tell me I'm not alone in this, I've been saying this for past couple years... The line is not physical at all, they cant run block, now they can pass block... They have been getting by because Brady could move around in the pocket and know there is no pocket..... This blows.... Im tired of these guys , now that brady is some what shell shocked, the line is being dominated and its showing. No matter whose in the backfield there are no running lanes created by linemen only hole from draw plays from over aggressive defenders........
    Posted by bigpull[/QUOTE] If this is your position then you did not watch the same game as I. The O-Line was effective in the 1st 11/2 quarters yes, Tom Brady was rushed but they came out with a no huddle offense and it all worked  well. What occured was they went away from their game plan.  The defense played great for 11/2 quarters and then they just ran out of enthusiam for the game. The game was lost because of the lack of following up of the game plan, plus TB just showed the rest of the league how to beat him. He's afraid of the hits and very well may be at the turning point of his career unless he shows some guts and gets his passing game in tune. IMO the Jets looked more like the Pats and the Pats looked more like the Jets. The Pats have looked disorganized throughout preseason and thus far this season. Continued play like the last two games and they'll be lucky to end up 2/14 IMO.
     
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    The line cant even pass block, there where times in todays game that the jets only sent 4 pass rusher and Pats couldn't handle that either.They flat out stink... Patriots need to address this, but probally to late for this season....
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    [QUOTE]Yeah the OL is built on pass blocking and seems not to be able to create holes for the running game. Nothing new here... Add a rusty Brady to the equation and you have a loss like today. What is more disappointing is the inability of the staff to craft a game plan against the Jets heavy blitzing.
    Posted by FrogLegs[/QUOTE]
     
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    How can you say that' the o-line is effective when Pats cant line up and run the ball to give them balance... Gadget running with draw plays isnt getting it done... cant even line up and make a 3rd in short...  n Response to Re: Pats O-Line is the problem!!!!!:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Pats O-Line is the problem!!!!! : If this is your position then you did not watch the same game as I. The O-Line was effective in the 1st 11/2 quarters yes, Tom Brady was rushed but they came out with a no huddle offense and it all worked  well. What occured was they went away from their game plan.  The defense played great for 11/2 quarters and then they just ran out of enthusiam for the game. The game was lost because of the lack of following up of the game plan, plus TB just showed the rest of the league how to beat him. He's afraid of the hits and very well may be at the turning point of his career unless he shows some guts and gets his passing game in tune. IMO the Jets looked more like the Pats and the Pats looked more like the Jets. The Pats have looked disorganized throughout preseason and thus far this season. Continued play like the last two games and they'll be lucky to end up 2/14 IMO.
    Posted by sonieboy[/QUOTE]
     
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    you can't block more guys than you have available to block. Brady was off. Jets played well, give them credit. Pats killed themselves to many times.

    We all know as Brady goes so do the Pats. He didn't have a TD today plain and simple. They had plenty of opportunuties to change the complextion of the game in the first half and did not.

    It's week 2. Sorry, the sky is just not falling in my world yet.
     
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    [QUOTE]The "pathetic" line has given up one sack in two games.  The rans for over 4 yds per carry.  The issue is Brady is still working his way back, and he is out of sync with his receivers.  Edelmen played a nice game, but reading blitz packages and making adjustments is an unseen part of the offensive execution.  Edelman, Galloway, and Baker are all new, so "seeing" the same read is something that takes a little time. The D has played reasonably well, less than 300 yds each game.  I would like to see a little more blitzing. Be patient, or did you jump off a roof when the Pats lost 31-0 to the Bills that Superbowl year?
    Posted by Encinitas[/QUOTE]

    I think you are looking only at sacks, and not hurries and hits.  He was easily being hit at least once for every 10 pass attempts.  It was probably higher.  He was being hurried much more often than that.  Did you not see Brady under pressure today?

    I agree about the D.  I also am not giving up as some are.  We have issues, but this is a 16 game season.  The first step to fixing a problem, is recognizing a problem though.  Our O-Line doesn't hold up well against good defenses.  It hasn't since late 2007.

     
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    [QUOTE] I don't know that Brady was rusty in this game.  It's hard to throw perfect passes running for your life.
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]

    Well it looks like Brady is over throwing his receivers pretty often. I am no specialist here so I cannot say if it is because the receivers cannot create separation, are out of synch with the QB or if the pass rush was too good.
    Maybe a combination of all factors.
     
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    They were exposed in the 2007 season superbowl and yet BB has done nothing to address it. Also the non exisistant pass rush and pressure on the opposition QB.

     
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    Here is my take... This has been a problem since the 2005 season.  No pressure.  Dbacks play WAY off  receivers, and our D just doesnt close on plays like they used to.  They look easy and soft to me.  Last 2 years or so, cant even get off the field on 3rd down.  They may have not allowed a sack, but Brady was pushed, rushed, and harrassed all day. WHERE WAS THE BUBBLE SCREEN?  We have faced blitzing defenses before.  But we made them stop by using smart screens and draws. Not anymore.  And why is Tom Brady throwing at peoples feet again?  No matter what, I enjoyed last year watching Matt Cassel deliver balls right on the numbers and leading, so receivers could run with the ball.  Ick.  the whole thing makes me feel a bit sick.  We should have lost the Bills game, and we sure did lose this one.
     
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    And I DO think we would have won if Wes Welker could have played.  Not accounting for him in the middle gave their LBs alot of freedom to crash the line or strafe to other areas.
     
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    I think the line is good with technique and I think they play smart for the most part, but I think there's a limit on how much talent you can have when you're only spending so much money on the positions.

    Games like today against the Jets and Feb 2008 against the Giants demonstrate the weakness of having a technique pass blocking team instead of a team of road graters.  It's a matchup issue, and not every team in the league is going to be able to take advantage of this problem.

    I also see Brady helping the situation as he learns to sidestep the pass rush more (like he did in the second quarter ducking under a sure sack).

    Otherwise, I'm rooting for the development of Sebastian Vollmer.  You can't teach 6'9" 330.
     
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    [QUOTE]How can you say that' the o-line is effective when Pats cant line up and run the ball to give them balance... Gadget running with draw plays isnt getting it done... cant even line up and make a 3rd in short...  n Response to Re: Pats O-Line is the problem!!!!! :
    Posted by bigpull[/QUOTE] Tune into the nfl network and watch the game again. The  Pats came out  and appeared to be in a winning frame of mind for about 1 1/2 quarters then nothing from there on. TB sucked to put it plainly as did Joey Galloway. Three times the Pats were within scoring position and came away with 9 points while the Defense gave no surge at all. Sanchez played a lot better than TB for 2 1/2 quarters. Why did they give up on the running game, very few screens and they were poorly executed and one draw play not to mention the no huddle Why?
     
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    [QUOTE]How can you say that' the o-line is effective when Pats cant line up and run the ball to give them balance... Gadget running with draw plays isnt getting it done... cant even line up and make a 3rd in short...  n Response to Re: Pats O-Line is the problem!!!!! :
    Posted by bigpull[/QUOTE] Your entitled to your opinion as am I. The Pats Stunk in  preseason and they stink now. Joey Galloway and Tom B rady and the defense was horrible. Three times they were within stricking distance for asa TD and three times they settled for a field goal. Tun into the NFL network and review the game.
     
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    [QUOTE]...Otherwise, I'm rooting for the development of Sebastian Vollmer.  You can't teach 6'9" 330.
    Posted by NickC1188[/QUOTE]


    Yeah NickC, I was surprised that he wasn't put in there for some of the obvious blitzing situations.
     
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    I did not see Brady acting afraid of being hit. He stood in there a couple of times. I agree that the O-line cannot open a hole. Even if they could, LM just dances and half heartedly goes in. I think we should have gone to 2 RBs for protection and give moss enough time to get open.
     
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    i thought the biggest problem was drops by the receivers.  How many passes were either dropped or through the hands of Galloway, Edelman, and even Moss?  Brady was inaccurate at the beginning...but later on he was on fire, but receivers couldn't hold on.  We REALLY missed Welker today.  Shows you how important he is to the success of this team. 


     
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    The OL can only block so many people. The JETS brought a blitz on 21 dropbacks. Thats A LOT of blitzing. Anyone that remembers the Eagle's Buddy Ryan days saw some familiar stuff today.

    The OL did a decent job considering the amount of blitzing. Brady CONSISTENTLY overthrew and underthrew receivers. It isn't completely his fault, but he has been off. The timing hasn't been there. I attribute it to rust. He hasn't found his rhythm yet. But Brady has been part of the offensive problem. Don't be so quick to blame the OL for everything. Brady is great.....one of the greatest QB's to ever play this game, but he's been off. Don't give him a pass because he's great. Edelman and Taylor looked good at times.

    The D kept us in this game. Anytime the offense fails to score a touchdown, it will be tough to win in the NFL. The D failed to get pressure on Sanchez, plain and simple. Just about any QB in the NFL will eventually make some throws when he has all day to throw. This isn't college or high school. Part of the problem of losing Seymour is that he consistently was doubled by offensive lines and between he and Wilfork, they usually drew at least 3 OL's. That isn't he case right now and the PATS need to find a way to get pressure on the QB. That comes from two things. The secondary needs to be tighter in coverage while we get some pressure from some LB and Safety blitzes. The D line isn't as strong as we were with RS, so we need to find other ways to get the pressure. Without pressure, any QB in this league will make some plays on us.
     
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    I agree. Matt Light is done, the others never were that physical. With no one else in the depth chart this is going to be a long season. Championship? forget it. I am now wondering if BB's trading of Seymour demonstrated his sharing this sentiment.
     
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    They are TOO LAZY to run block and they lack the toughness to run block.

    Pretty simple.
     
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    [QUOTE]They are TOO LAZY to run block and they lack the toughness to run block. Pretty simple.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost[/QUOTE]

    You should definitely submit your resume for consideration. Clearly you have all the answers. Mankins is a lazy SOB. Actually better yet, I'd love to see you offer that suggestion to him in person. He'd punch you in the nutz.

    Pray tell me, of your 505 posts, have you said anything positive or constructive about the Pats?
     
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    [QUOTE]Please some one tell me I'm not alone in this, I've been saying this for past couple years... The line is not physical at all, they cant run block, now they can pass block... They have been getting by because Brady could move around in the pocket and know there is no pocket..... This blows.... Im tired of these guys , now that brady is some what shell shocked, the line is being dominated and its showing. No matter whose in the backfield there are no running lanes created by linemen only hole from draw plays from over aggressive defenders........
    Posted by bigpull[/QUOTE]

     I agree... I was watching one of the sports shows (ESPN?.. Halftime maybe?) anyway they showed the timing of the play for the pats.... and then they said that there were more than 10 just like it.
    The play that they showed had a 1.85 sec. time from snap until brady was being hit by a Jet.  THAT is the OL's fault.   They know the snap count and they damned well should be ready to give a little more than 2 seconds.  TO put it mildly- they sucked.
     
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