Pats Pass Defense

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    Pats Pass Defense

    We all know the Pats have dismal stats in pass defense - close to the bottom in yards, completions and qb rating.  Can anyone let us know where they would stand in relation to the rest of the NHL if you took the stats after 3 quarters and pro-rated it over 4 quarters?  Big Ben and Peyton threw up some big number against the Prevent Defense.  Surely these 4th quarter stats must skew the numbers downward.  I'm think that if the game is closer and the Pats defend against the pass like they have throughout the game instead of trading yardage for time off the clock, then the numbers won't nearly be as bad as they appear to be.  I know they are not a top-ranked pass defense team, but they are better than the stats show them to be.
     
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    gapc...  does it really matter?  This is something seen across the league when it comes to "garbage" time and how soft defenses tend to play when their team is up by 2 - 3 scores or more.  I do not see in the standings something like this...  Patriots  8 - 2  (Pass defense stinks!) as the Ws come with no explanation.
     
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    The NHL has 3 periods, not 4 quarters. It's an honest mistake.

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    We all know the Pats have dismal stats in pass defense - close to the bottom in yards, completions and qb rating.  Can anyone let us know where they would stand in relation to the rest of the NHL if you took the stats after 3 quarters and pro-rated it over 4 quarters?  Big Ben and Peyton threw up some big number against the Prevent Defense.  Surely these 4th quarter stats must skew the numbers downward.  I'm think that if the game is closer and the Pats defend against the pass like they have throughout the game instead of trading yardage for time off the clock, then the numbers won't nearly be as bad as they appear to be.  I know they are not a top-ranked pass defense team, but they are better than the stats show them to be.
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    In Response to Pats Pass Defense : Maybe Kraft should try to convince the NFL to change the games to 3 quarters instead of 4. 
    Posted by PhatRex


    If that were the case, the Jets would be 5-5.
     
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    lol!!!

    Phat Rex bitchslapped. 

    Priceless.
     
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    We all know the Pats have dismal stats in pass defense - close to the bottom in yards, completions and qb rating.  Can anyone let us know where they would stand in relation to the rest of the NHL if you took the stats after 3 quarters and pro-rated it over 4 quarters?  Big Ben and Peyton threw up some big number against the Prevent Defense.  Surely these 4th quarter stats must skew the numbers downward.  I'm think that if the game is closer and the Pats defend against the pass like they have throughout the game instead of trading yardage for time off the clock, then the numbers won't nearly be as bad as they appear to be.  I know they are not a top-ranked pass defense team, but they are better than the stats show them to be.
    Posted by gapc


    This is why raw statistics don't really measure anything, gapc. There's no accounting for context. People will tell you that stats can be manipulated to prove whatever point you are trying to make -- which is certainly true as far as it goes -- but a more realistic truth is that statistics (in sports) don't tell you anything at all . . .    ever.

     
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    In Response to Pats Pass Defense : This is why raw statistics don't really measure anything, gapc. There's no accounting for context. People will tell you that stats can be manipulated to prove whatever point you are trying to make -- which is certainly true as far as it goes -- but a more realistic truth is that statistics (in sports) don't tell you anything at all . . .    ever.
    Posted by p-mike


         Come on, Mike. You're beginning to sound like "The Dog(gggg)". Although stats don't tell the whole story, they are indicative of a teams' strengths and weaknesses. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Pats Pass Defense : If anyone would know, you'd think it would be you, with the beating you've taken today.  However, just more wishful thinking from patsy fans.  Nice try, loser # 2. 
    Posted by PhatRex


    Yes, what a beating.

    A Jets fan telling his defense looks great against the Lions and Texans. lol

    Keep spinning, Fatty.   You won't be here in 2 weeks.


     
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    Re: Pats Pass Defense

    I think the givaway takaway ratio is high for the pats d. So they have been giving up yards, but they have made key turnovers. They've been doing that every week it seems. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Pats Pass Defense : How did Shaun Hill do against the Jets?
    Posted by PhatRex


         Don't you follow your own team? If you did, you would know that Shaun Hill  didn't play against the Jets. Matthew Stafford played, and played well, until he got hurt in the 4th quarter. He was 20/36, for 240 yards, two TDs, and no picks...and finished with a 94.7 paassing rating. Stafford's injury was one of the many twists of fate that helped the Jets pull that game out:  http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=301107008
     
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    An accurate measuring of the Patriot D, will be games with the Pack, Jets and Bears. After them, it will indicate fairly realisticly where they are, as well as exactly what the team's priorities are in next year's draft.
     
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    An accurate measuring of the Patriot D, will be games with the Pack, Jets and Bears. After them, it will indicate fairly realisticly where they are, as well as exactly what the team's priorities are in next year's draft.
    Posted by jaycee1m


         I disagree. Those games will determine where the Patriots are as a team.

         If the Pats can't beat the Jets...no matter what they do thereafter, they'll likely lose their division, and will have to get into the play-offs as a wild card. No bye...no home games. They'll be nothing more than playoff fodder.
     
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    Re: Pats Pass Defense

    Stats that matter to Bill Belichick,

    1) wins
    2) points
    3) red-zone efficiency
    4) big plays (turnovers)
    5) third-down efficiency

    Patriots are 1st in wins and points.
    Patriots are 4th in turnover differential at +9.
    A problem area is third-down efficiency. 5th offense, 32nd defense.
    This relates to pass defense and pressuring the QB.

     
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    Re: Pats Pass Defense

    this is a real discussion?  
    Patriots Pass Defence... Isn't that an oxymoron?  
     
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    Stats that matter to Bill Belichick, 1) wins 2) points 3) red-zone efficiency 4) big plays (turnovers) 5) third-down efficiency Patriots are 1st in wins and points. Patriots are 4th in turnover differential at +9. A problem area is third-down efficiency. 5th offense, 32nd defense. This relates to pass defense and pressuring the QB.
    Posted by digger0862


    If they could improve the 3rd down efficiency then we would have an elite D. They give up long drives. Making big plays and the red zone defense has been good. They just can't get off the field sometimes which shows their vulnerability. It's an interesting D to watch because they can make plays on the ball. I like seeing the more aggressive blitzing also and I think that shows BB has confidence in the d-backs. 
     
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