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I think it's ultimately about the effect each of offense and defense have on each other. To me, any style of offense, in terms of analyzing it's benefit to the team overall has to factor in what level of performance the defense can provide.
An offense going 3 and out hurts any defense but it hurts a shut down defense less because they're less vulnerable.
The point about all 3 phases having to help each other is ultimately what it's about. It certainly seems that recently the Pats have been focussed on scoring as much as possible and seemingly feeling that their better chance to do that is through the air. That would seem personnel driven, both in terms of what they have on offense and what they have on defense.
I think we're going to see a noticeably upgraded defense this year with the spin off benefits that will provide to offensive game planning.
I agree the defense is improving, has improved enough this year to health provided be dominant
But the defense played good enough to win in those Super Bowls and the offense shrank.
It's hard if not impossible to win with that wide open style, it happened once with the Saints/Colts in 2010, but both had home field advantage throughout the playoffs and both played in domes... we don't have that luxury.
I understand the point about the defense playing well enough in the sense of how many points they gave up relative to how many the offense could usually be counted on to provide.
The problem was that the usual wasn't happening in terms of offensive production and yet the Pats still held late leads, which the defense couldn't hold.
These things are always circular. I agree that the defense outplayed expectations while the offense did not meet expectations, but the reality remains that even one extra stop by the defense may have been enough to provide a victory.
Your point about the wide open style not seeming to work is vaild except I think it's often just a function of talent distribution. The high powered offensive teams are usually lacking in good defenses. If you ever get a team with both a great defense and high powered offense then I expect the wide open style would be fine. Tough to have both with the salary cap.
"Talent distribution"? What was wrong with it in 2007 or 2010?
What was wrong with it in 2011?
2012? These offenses that ranked #1 all year, were lacking talent distribution?
Did our SB Ds make stops at the end of SB 36 and 38? NOPE. Nope, no they didnt. They were gassed in domes, too. Like I said before, every SB D with under 5 minutes to go is gassed in a dome. It's worse playing in a dome than outdoors. All the heat is trapped in.
To hold the Ds feet to the fire after holding to 13 points with our own offense disappearing for a quarter and a half, is really ridiculous.
I think the issue with talent distribution is that one aspect of the offense, relating to the passing game, was so good that in the regular season they could rack up points and wins but in the playoffs they weren't built to be more balanced, when it became more critical.
As far as the offense not performing when they needed to I'm agreeing with you. All I'm saying is that became critical because the margin for error wasn't there. Yes, I expect the defense was gassed but that can't be solely the fault of the offense. sure the offense could have and should have helped more. No argument there, but the defense has to help themselves as well.
If the defense makes a couple stops earlier in the game they're less gassed in crunch time and a couple extra possessions on offense maybe gets them the margin of error they needed.