Pats should go after Freeney or Osi

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    Pats should go after Freeney or Osi

    First, I don't expect these guys to be 14 sacks DE's anymore. That being said, I think there is value to these guys. The Pats pass rush will live and die on the development of Chandler Jones. a 2nd pass  rusher couldnt hurt this team and would provide injury insurance if Jones goes down. Both are getting up there in age, but I still think each could have the same type of impact Andre Carter had. I also think this team is lacking veteran leadership on the defensive side. Gregory and VW are the only impact players on the defense that are at least 30. I think a Veteran presence could do this team some good.

    Osi is the guy I would prefer most. I think his postseason experience, which has largely been success, can do the team some good. Umenyiora has played in the underdog role and has largely thrived in that. I think he can help bring an attitude to the team come playoff time. Same thing with Freeney, but to a lesser extent. I think they can be effective pass rush specialists.


    Salary expectations is probably the biggest question with these two. Cliff Avril and Paul Kruger will be the "prized" pass rushers in this FA class. I don't expect either guy to get that type of contract Mario got last season. 

    John Abraham got a 3 year 16.5 million contract last offseason. This was coming off back to back seasons in which he had 13 and 9.5 sacks.

    Freeney the last two seasons has had 8.5 and 5, while Osi is at 9 and 6.

    I think both can be had at john Abraham's contract, but probably less. I'd be surprised if Freeney got anything more than a two year deal, Osi, I can see 2-3 years for him.

    Osi might be seeking a starting job. I'm not sure. He probably would have stayed in NYG if he was okay coming off the bench.

    Freeney is coming off an ineffective season playing in the 3-4. He's older than Osi and I think will come for a cheaper price. He might also be okay with being a pass rush specialist.

     

    I think the Pats should seriously consider one of the two. Both are the veteran type of FA's that BB likes to target. Hopefully they can work out like a Rodney Harrison as opposed to a Ochocinco.

     
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    Love to see them sign Osi

     
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    Why don't they go after Ed Too tall Jones while they are at it. Those guys that you just mentioned are well past their prime.

     Chandler Jones needs to get into the weight room. Patience Grasshopper.

    You guys are worried about the pats defense when Brady is looking older with every snap that he takes?

     
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    Why don't they go after Ed Too tall Jones while they are at it. Those guys that you just mentioned are well past their prime.

     Chandler Jones needs to get into the weight room. Patience Grasshopper.

    You guys are worried about the pats defense when Brady is looking older with every snap that he takes?



    Osi got 6 sacks coming off the bench.

    Avril rejected a 30 million contract.

    Kruger will probably get high 20-30 million.

    You're not going to be able to spend that much on the WR, CB and DE. Who do you suggest going for?

     

    I already mentioned that the pass rush will live or die with Jones. But they still need a 2nd pass rusher/insurance for Jones. I also mentioned that this team needs veteran leadership. This isn't the same as the Brady situation. Jones is going to be the man, these guys would just be role players.

     
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    First, I don't expect these guys to be 14 sacks DE's anymore. That being said, I think there is value to these guys. The Pats pass rush will live and die on the development of Chandler Jones. a 2nd pass  rusher couldnt hurt this team and would provide injury insurance if Jones goes down. Both are getting up there in age, but I still think each could have the same type of impact Andre Carter had. I also think this team is lacking veteran leadership on the defensive side. Gregory and VW are the only impact players on the defense that are at least 30. I think a Veteran presence could do this team some good.

    Osi is the guy I would prefer most. I think his postseason experience, which has largely been success, can do the team some good. Umenyiora has played in the underdog role and has largely thrived in that. I think he can help bring an attitude to the team come playoff time. Same thing with Freeney, but to a lesser extent. I think they can be effective pass rush specialists.


    Salary expectations is probably the biggest question with these two. Cliff Avril and Paul Kruger will be the "prized" pass rushers in this FA class. I don't expect either guy to get that type of contract Mario got last season. 

    John Abraham got a 3 year 16.5 million contract last offseason. This was coming off back to back seasons in which he had 13 and 9.5 sacks.

    Freeney the last two seasons has had 8.5 and 5, while Osi is at 9 and 6.

    I think both can be had at john Abraham's contract, but probably less. I'd be surprised if Freeney got anything more than a two year deal, Osi, I can see 2-3 years for him.

    Osi might be seeking a starting job. I'm not sure. He probably would have stayed in NYG if he was okay coming off the bench.

    Freeney is coming off an ineffective season playing in the 3-4. He's older than Osi and I think will come for a cheaper price. He might also be okay with being a pass rush specialist.

     

    I think the Pats should seriously consider one of the two. Both are the veteran type of FA's that BB likes to target. Hopefully they can work out like a Rodney Harrison as opposed to a Ochocinco.




    Ummm, NO and No!

     

    Osi been wanting to retire for a while. He doesnt come to training camp and only wants to play in games,. He is a just an upfield guy and that would never fly here and He is directly responsible for us not having 2 more titles on top of the fact that his play doesnt equate to his mouth anymore. I Hate the Guy!

     

    As for Freeney, I watched him this year and honestly doesnt look like he has much left. His old spin move is played out. He doesnt play the run and both of these guys if signed here would signal a desperation move IMO.

     

    You wanna go out and get someone we hate??? Get Benard Pollard! 

     
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    First, I don't expect these guys to be 14 sacks DE's anymore. That being said, I think there is value to these guys. The Pats pass rush will live and die on the development of Chandler Jones. a 2nd pass  rusher couldnt hurt this team and would provide injury insurance if Jones goes down. Both are getting up there in age, but I still think each could have the same type of impact Andre Carter had. I also think this team is lacking veteran leadership on the defensive side. Gregory and VW are the only impact players on the defense that are at least 30. I think a Veteran presence could do this team some good.

    Osi is the guy I would prefer most. I think his postseason experience, which has largely been success, can do the team some good. Umenyiora has played in the underdog role and has largely thrived in that. I think he can help bring an attitude to the team come playoff time. Same thing with Freeney, but to a lesser extent. I think they can be effective pass rush specialists.


    Salary expectations is probably the biggest question with these two. Cliff Avril and Paul Kruger will be the "prized" pass rushers in this FA class. I don't expect either guy to get that type of contract Mario got last season. 

    John Abraham got a 3 year 16.5 million contract last offseason. This was coming off back to back seasons in which he had 13 and 9.5 sacks.

    Freeney the last two seasons has had 8.5 and 5, while Osi is at 9 and 6.

    I think both can be had at john Abraham's contract, but probably less. I'd be surprised if Freeney got anything more than a two year deal, Osi, I can see 2-3 years for him.

    Osi might be seeking a starting job. I'm not sure. He probably would have stayed in NYG if he was okay coming off the bench.

    Freeney is coming off an ineffective season playing in the 3-4. He's older than Osi and I think will come for a cheaper price. He might also be okay with being a pass rush specialist.

     

    I think the Pats should seriously consider one of the two. Both are the veteran type of FA's that BB likes to target. Hopefully they can work out like a Rodney Harrison as opposed to a Ochocinco.

     




     

    Ummm, NO and No!

     

    Osi been wanting to retire for a while. He doesnt come to training camp and only wants to play in games,. He is a just an upfield guy and that would never fly here and He is directly responsible for us not having 2 more titles on top of the fact that his play doesnt equate to his mouth anymore. I Hate the Guy!

     

    As for Freeney, I watched him this year and honestly doesnt look like he has much left. His old spin move is played out. He doesnt play the run and both of these guys if signed here would signal a desperation move IMO.

     

    You wanna go out and get someone we hate??? Get Benard Pollard! 



    I don't think it signals a desperation move. Signing FA's to fat contracts is usually more of a sign of desperation. Freeney was clearly out of his element in the 3-4 defense. I still think he can play in obvious passing situations and have the similar effect in the pass rush department as Andre Carter.

    Your hatred on Osi is your opinion, if you hate him then you hate him. But I still think he can add to this team.

     

    Not looking at these guys to become stars of the defense. That needs to be Chandler Jones. But I think you can make room for them as important role players.

     

    You can't go into next season banking on Chandler Jones making the JPP second year jump

     
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    I liked Osi a few years ago, but I think the ship has sailed om him. And I've always liked Freeney, but he's to long in the tooth now. I'd only take a shot at these guys if it were cheap money.

     
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    Freeney looks done...Osi, sure but at a number he aint' taking.

    Krueger, Bal ain't letting him go.

     

    Jones is going to be fine. I like Scott as well.

    Go find another Seymour to pair up with Vince and all heck will break loose.

    The D down linemen is your key to happiness.

     
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    Henry Melton

    Tough inside interior linemen...

    I like em'

     
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    Henry Melton

    Tough inside interior linemen...

    I like em'



    I don't know much about Melton. I know he made the pro bowl this season and is fairly young, realistically, what do you think his price range is?

    IMO, if the Pats are going to dish out money, it needs to be on a cornerback. I have 0 faith in dbs that Bill drafts and this defense completely falls apart in the secondary without a number 1 cb.

    In regards to interior Dlineman, at least BB has had some success drafting them in the first round. 

    I think the Pats need to pay Talib if not another number 1 cornerback. After that, not sure if they can afford a high prices DT. I didn't say I loved Osi and Freeney because I thought they were the best pass rushers available. I mentioned them because I think, pricewise, they are the most affordable.

     
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    Well I just checked out some stuff on Melton and apparently he's likely to be their biggest priority.

    It's going to take a lot to get him. If they can't get Talib, then maybe, but I doubt they can get both Melton and the number 1 corner

     
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    We don't need DE...we need interior down linemen

     

    Talib stays if he accepts an incentive laden contract full of performance and behavior clauses.

    I don't think he'll do that.

     
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    Bleacher Report states this is a very good draft for D linemen. If free agency don't pan out perhaps the draft will.

    Melton would be a beast alongside Vince

     
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    We don't need DE...we need interior down linemen

     

    Talib stays if he accepts an incentive laden contract full of performance and behavior clauses.

    I don't think he'll do that.



    I disagree. We do need more interior down lineman, but they need a DE as well. If Jones gets hurt, a 4-3 front with Scott and Nink as the two outside guys scares no one. I'm not sure if CBS was right, but the opening lineup on D was shown as Nink-Love-Wilfork-Deaderick. I still think they need another defensive end

     
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    Even if the Pats were interested, those guys aren't taking a team friendly deal to come here. I'm banking on Jones making some big improvements over the offseason and into his second season a la Pierre-Paul, Miller, and Smith.

     
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    We don't need DE...we need interior down linemen

     

    Talib stays if he accepts an incentive laden contract full of performance and behavior clauses.

    I don't think he'll do that.

     



    I disagree. We do need more interior down lineman, but they need a DE as well. If Jones gets hurt, a 4-3 front with Scott and Nink as the two outside guys scares no one. I'm not sure if CBS was right, but the opening lineup on D was shown as Nink-Love-Wilfork-Deaderick. I still think they need another defensive end

     




    Love and Deaderick....tats on a Bull

     
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    Even if the Pats were interested, those guys aren't taking a team friendly deal to come here. I'm banking on Jones making some big improvements over the offseason and into his second season a la Pierre-Paul, Miller, and Smith.




    Yup, get out the check book for Melton, works for me.

     
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    Bleacher Report states this is a very good draft for D linemen. If free agency don't pan out perhaps the draft will.

    Melton would be a beast alongside Vince



    Well, I'm okay with either. My first choice for the draft would be the Dline, whether it's end or tackle.

    I would still like to see more veterans added to the team but we can see where they go with that.

    FA is the best way for this team to go about cornerback though. After Talib, it's Nnamdi, DRC, and Grimes...all with as many questions as Talib, but at least we know Talib can play here. I'll repeat it again, BB taking another DB in the first two rounds is a nightmare situation.

     

     

     
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    Yeah I don't think so. Freeney is way past his prime and isn't anywhere close to what Nink provides or even Francis at this point

    Osi maybe but he either wants a payday or he's going to retire and at this point in his career honestly Nink might gve the same in return. 

    Nether choices will have a positive impact on the D next year. Truthfully and interior pass rush next to Wilfork is the most effective use of resources. Love and Deadrick aren't starters and can't take advantage of Wilfork being doubled. Think Melton or Starks. If nether is available like in the first at Jenkins, S Williams.

    Just because they were once big names doesn't mean they are anymore, nor can they help us now. If you are dead set on a DE then look at Michael Johnson or Michael Bennett

     
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    Even if the Pats were interested, those guys aren't taking a team friendly deal to come here. I'm banking on Jones making some big improvements over the offseason and into his second season a la Pierre-Paul, Miller, and Smith.



    Those guys won't take team friendly deals, but I don't think they're going to be bombarded with offers in the offseason. So it won't be a team friendly deal, because I don't see them, Freeney especially, getting lucrative deals from anyone.

    I hope Jones makes that jump, don't forget to include Watt on that list as well. But I don't think you can bank on that.

     
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    Yeah I don't think so. Freeney is way past his prime and isn't anywhere close to what Nink provides or even Francis at this point

    Osi maybe but he either wants a payday or he's going to retire and at this point in his career honestly Nink might gve the same in return. 

    Nether choices will have a positive impact on the D next year. Truthfully and interior pass rush next to Wilfork is the most effective use of resources. Love and Deadrick aren't starters and can't take advantage of Wilfork being doubled. Think Melton or Starks. If nether is available like in the first at Jenkins, S Williams.

    Just because they were once big names doesn't mean they are anymore, nor can they help us now. If you are dead set on a DE then look at Michael Johnson or Michael Bennett



    Michael Johnson is my favorite of the bunch. I always wanted them to draft him.

    Bengals aren't going to let him go away though. If they do, it wouldn't surprise me if he made upwards of 50 million.

    Again, I'm thinking short term end solution. If Jones becomes as good as I hope he will be, he's going to be the one with the fat contract.

     
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    Even if the Pats were interested, those guys aren't taking a team friendly deal to come here. I'm banking on Jones making some big improvements over the offseason and into his second season a la Pierre-Paul, Miller, and Smith.

     



    Those guys won't take team friendly deals, but I don't think they're going to be bombarded with offers in the offseason. So it won't be a team friendly deal, because I don't see them, Freeney especially, getting lucrative deals from anyone.

     

    I hope Jones makes that jump, don't forget to include Watt on that list as well. But I don't think you can bank on that.



    I think Freeney is losing a step. Osi may be an interesting choice, but he'd have to eat some serious humble pie (wasn't he a prime Patriot hater/trash talker at one time?)

     
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    Well I just checked out some stuff on Melton and apparently he's likely to be their biggest priority.

    It's going to take a lot to get him. If they can't get Talib, then maybe, but I doubt they can get both Melton and the number 1 corner



    I agree on Melton. I think he is a pipe dream. If the Bears cannot work something out with him, he will get franchised. They see him as the cornerstone of their future defense.

    I think some one (probably Cinncinnatti) throws far more money at Talib than the Patriots are willing to pay (the Bengals are something like $55M under the cap). I see them letting Nate Clements and/or Terrence Newman walk and replacing them with the younger Talib. There are just too many teams willing to throw money at a CB.

     
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    Well I just checked out some stuff on Melton and apparently he's likely to be their biggest priority.

    It's going to take a lot to get him. If they can't get Talib, then maybe, but I doubt they can get both Melton and the number 1 corner

     



    I agree on Melton. I think he is a pipe dream. If the Bears cannot work something out with him, he will get franchised. They see him as the cornerstone of their future defense.

     

    I think some one (probably Cinncinnatti) throws far more money at Talib than the Patriots are willing to pay (the Bengals are something like $55M under the cap). I see them letting Nate Clements and/or Terrence Newman walk and replacing them with the younger Talib. There are just too many teams willing to throw money at a CB.



    I highly doubt Cincinatti will do that. They let Joseph go. I believe Geno Atkins is a FA next season. Andre Smith and Michael Johnson are FA's this season. All of those guys play on the line (which I think is most important) and will all be getting big contracts. 

    AJ Green and Dalton will be up in two seasons. Talib is going to be getting a 4-5 year contract. It's going to be hard for Cinci to pay all those players.

     

    Someone will overpay for Talib, I just don't think it's Cinci.

    Maybe the Pats franchise him though. Who knows.

     
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    why not richard seymore while we are overpaying for a DE

     

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