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PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat

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    I guess in the Boston and Foxborough areas, it's illegal to get within the same zip code of New England quarterback Tom Brady without drawing a roughing the quarterback penalty All QB's in the NFL are coddled!  This columnist is angry so he focuses on Brady. The rules have changed to protect them even more.  When you get near a QB's knee that should be a penalty
    Posted by Rocky

    Exactly. Did he not see Suggs dive at Brady's knees and, as a sports writer, does he somehow not know that it is illegal?

     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : Mike Preston gets the rules as does everybody else. It is the interpretation of the rules in that game that was highly questionable. As Mike said, the ref throws the flag after Brady looks at him and motions to throw the flag. That's comical.
    Posted by PurpleKoolaid


    Suggs did actually hit Brady.  The NFL is serious about protecting quarterbacks.  Defensive players should know that.  Suggs did something stupid.  He's going to be penalized.  Don't whine because the refs are enforcing penalties the NFL has made clear it is going to enforce.  Part of being a great team is not committing stupid penalties.  The Ravens are not disciplined enough to be considered a great team, or at least they were not today.  Like the rules or not, you are stuck with them. 
     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : Of course you blame the refs. In the NFL you cannot overcome 3 bad penalty calls on the road against a good team, and yet the Ravens almost did. To say Mark Clayton was intimidated is silly. These are football players, they're tough. He just didn't make a play. It happens. Randy Moss has never dropped a pass? It is what it is. You can't overanalyze one dropped ball. If he drops it in the end-zone, that's a different story.
    Posted by PurpleKoolaid

    Why are you even here? This is a football board and you clearly have no idea about it.

    They do actually have rules and they do actually enforce them. I have found the best way not to get called for something when playing a sport is to not do it. The Ravens could use some of this wisdom.

    Wide Receivers are intimidated by hard hitting defenders each week. Do you not watch the games. Look at SB XXXVI. The Pats D had the Rams receivers afraid to come over the middle after the first quarter. It happens. The receiver on this play clearly flinches. He lost concentration on the ball because he was expecting the hit. As a consequence he failed to make the play. Meriweather had been hitting tough all game and this gets into the minds of those they are defending. To think otherwise just demonstrates a lack of football knowledge.

     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : Of course you blame the refs. In the NFL you cannot overcome 3 bad penalty calls on the road against a good team, and yet the Ravens almost did. To say Mark Clayton was intimidated is silly. These are football players, they're tough. He just didn't make a play. It happens. Randy Moss has never dropped a pass? It is what it is. You can't overanalyze one dropped ball. If he drops it in the end-zone, that's a different story.
    Posted by PurpleKoolaid

    Yeah,sure it was the refs fault.And whose fault was it was it when you lost 3 times in the same season to Pitt last year? Whose fault was it when we beat you the other 4 times? Whose fault was it in 2008 and 2007 when the Colts beat you for a combined 75 pts to 23?LMFAO.Yeah its always some excuse.The usual BS from chumps like you.For 4 days you were on our board saying how we were going to whine and make excuses for our loss.You've b!tched about spygate as a response to everything we posted and now,you blame the refs.Typical BS from a trailer park trash MF'r fan of a second level team.Your team just went from contender to pretender and that 1 in the loss column just came from NE.Come back when you can run with the big dogs.
     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : Suggs did actually hit Brady.  The NFL is serious about protecting quarterbacks.  Defensive players should know that.  Suggs did something stupid.  He's going to be penalized.  Don't whine because the refs are enforcing penalties the NFL has made clear it is going to enforce.  Part of being a great team is not committing stupid penalties.  The Ravens are not disciplined enough to be considered a great team, or at least they were not today.  Like the rules or not, you are stuck with them. 
    Posted by newenglanderinexile

    Actually, your post just reminded me of the last win the Pats had against the Ravens. They pretty much had the win, but totally broke down on the Pats winning drive. How many fouls did they commit? Bart Scott was called for 2 Unsportsmanlike Conduct calls on the TD and the Pats had to kick-off from the Ravens 30. They lack mental discipline when the game is on the line. Worse, they blame others for it.

     
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    Pat's need help again I read .. can't you win a game on your own without help from the refs ... pretty bad .. video recordings are out but you still find a way to win ... now it's the refs ...
     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : Exactly. And where would we be without you pointing all of those things that need pointing out? In a completely justified and earnest fashion, of course. Right? Now say something pithy and self-serving. On the count of one-two-three . . .  . . .oh, wait, was pithy too esoteric? (Which makes you right.) Or was esoteric too pithy? (Which makes me right.) Or does it really matter to you, when you take shots at people here? The practice is its reward, as they say? We should all be like you right? MVP should spend time at work editing his posts, and I should stop using words I like? And we can meet in the middle at Lake Wobegon, and trade needless barbs until we settle into our pillows with smiles. Or does none of it matter, because it just depends on *your* mood? Honestly, the point of that post was YOUR entertainment, for the sake of camaraderie, because you seem to get a kick out of wordplay, like I do. I actually consider you a bright, if not somewhat deranged, fellow. But I wasn't expecting a rag session from our local satirist.
    Posted by zbellino


    Hey Z, listen . . .  it is all entertainment.

    I never come in here with the direct intention of making personal attacks (although I often have to be reminded that, quite often, that is what ends up happening). We could sit here all day playing semantic one-upsmanship, but that would serve no useful purpose and I suspect neither of us could be an impartial judge anyway. I guess I've just gotten too comfortable with the notion that most of the regs in here know I'm only here to bust balls, and not everybody is down with that.

    Oh well . . .
     
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    Light was horrible again. He plays about two good games a season. What hold does he have over the coaching staff? He almost cost us the game.
    And, Maroney! Ship this guy out! Send him to China...anywhere. Just get rid of him. This guy dances and dances. Lordy.

     
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    the ravens hurt themselves with penalties (with a lot of help from the refs) and then the dropped pass at the end of the game. the game would have been decided pretty much had mark clayton caught that pass. other than that, the defense gave up way too many plays, and the refs helped with their bullsh!t calls. roughing the passer on haloti ngata and terrell suggs almost made me spit up my beer. tom brady is a punk of a quarterback and i don't understand why he just doesn't play golf instead. i'm annoyed right now. i give it to the patriots for good defense for this game, and b-more's defense didn't step up, but the blatant bogus calls were what did me in. this will be a wake up call for bmore, because now they should know what's needed to beat a team that always has the refs in their back pocket. i hope they enjoy their free champagne or whatever the hell belichick promised them. they will get theirs in the end. just like with the superbowl, they didn't win, because they didn't deserve to win. they are cheaters and nothing anyone will say will change my mind.
     
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    the ravens hurt themselves with penalties (with a lot of help from the refs) and then the dropped pass at the end of the game. the game would have been decided pretty much had mark clayton caught that pass. other than that, the defense gave up way too many plays, and the refs helped with their bullsh!t calls. roughing the passer on haloti ngata and terrell suggs almost made me spit up my beer. tom brady is a punk of a quarterback and i don't understand why he just doesn't play golf instead. i'm annoyed right now. i give it to the patriots for good defense for this game, and b-more's defense didn't step up, but the blatant bogus calls were what did me in. this will be a wake up call for bmore, because now they should know what's needed to beat a team that always has the refs in their back pocket. i hope they enjoy their free champagne or whatever the hell belichick promised them. they will get theirs in the end. just like with the superbowl, they didn't win, because they didn't deserve to win. they are cheaters and nothing anyone will say will change my mind.
    Posted by purplemusicmama


    But, of course, when roughing was called on the Pats -- and an illegal motion penalty that was a perfectly legal shift -- those were good calls, Yes?
     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : Of course you blame the refs. In the NFL you cannot overcome 3 bad penalty calls on the road against a good team, and yet the Ravens almost did. To say Mark Clayton was intimidated is silly. These are football players, they're tough. He just didn't make a play. It happens. Randy Moss has never dropped a pass? It is what it is. You can't overanalyze one dropped ball. If he drops it in the end-zone, that's a different story.
    Posted by PurpleKoolaid


    All THREE of the final three passes hit Clayton in the hands.  Regardless of whether he was intimidated or not, it was a poor showing by an inferior player.  I'm not talking s***, but I think it's time for you to admit that Clayton is subpar.

    Let's go penalty by penalty.

    1Q, 13:20.  Encroachment, Tully Banta-Cain (NE).  Straight forward.

    1Q, 11:59.  False Start, Jared Gaither (BAL).  Straight forward.  I hope you're not arguing these.

    1Q, 10:12.  Encroachment, Adalius Thomas (NE).  Straight forward.

    1Q, 07:28.  Delay of Game, Flacco (BAL).  Don't even try it.  No excuses for QB's to take delay of game penalties.  Besides, by your theory, this penalty didn't matter because Mason caught a touchdown immediately herafter.

    1Q, 03:35.  Roughing the Passer, Haloti Ngata (BAL).  Yes, this was absurd to the casual fan.  Yes, even as a Patriots fan I didn't like it.  BUT the league has been consistent on this call for the past two years, if not more.

    2Q, 15:00.  False Start, Dan Koppen (NE).

    2Q, 7:11.  Intentional Grounding, Joe Flacco (BAL).  Yes, he was outside the pocket, but the ball never came close to the line of scrimmage.  This is his own fault - he threw it left handed.  This is besides the point, though, because the Ravens' o-line got beat bad today.

    2Q, 5:16.  Roughing the Passer, Terrelle Suggs (BAL).  This was the dirtiest play of the day.  Suggs was NOT touched by a blocker.  He took three steps and then fell shoulder first right into Brady's knee.  You just don't fall into guys' knees.  Regardless, this was undoubtedly the correct call.  The ball was away for a good second and a half, and Suggs had three steps and two seconds to go elsewhere (somewhere other than Brady's knee).  I hope Suggs is fined to send a message, but I don't expect or want a suspension.

    2Q, 2:49.  Unnecessary Roughness, Mike Wright (NE).  I had a HUGE beef with this one.  It wasn't the hitting the quarterback in the head thing (that's roughing).  It's beyond me how he got a penalty.  The only thing I saw that was even remotely unnecessary was trying to strip the ball.  The PATRIOTS have a right to be upset about this one.  NOT the Ravens.

    3Q, 13:38.  Illegal Contact, C. Carr (BAL).  It was 3rd and 10, but there was no debate as to whether Welker was 5 yards downfield (he was running a 8-10 yard out), and no doubt whether Carr touched him (he pushed).  You may not LIKE THE RULE, but it's still the rule, and the call was correct.  By your theory, this call doesn't matter anyway - the Patriots ended up punting.

    3Q, 13:33.  Unsportsmanlike Conduct, Baltimore bench.  Again, by your theory, this penalty had no effect on the outcome because the Pats ended up punting.  This was, though, undoubtedly stupid.  There's no excuse for a coach costing a team 15 yards - coaches should know how not to hurt their team's efforts.

    3Q, 13:07.  Holding, Matt Light (NE).  No argument here, it was the right call because Light was beat.

    3Q, 2:31.  Encroachment during the extra point kick.

    3Q, 1:52.  Offensive pass interference, Derrick Mason (BAL).  Mason ran into Bodden.  If I were a Ravens fan, this would be the call to debate, because it was debatable.

    4Q, 7:18.  Illegal motion, Chris Baker (NE).  I had a huge beef with this one because it was a beautifully drawn play that was executed correctly within the rules, and was penalized anyway.  By the way, the Ravens didn't challenge whether Baker got the first down - they challenged whether or not it was a catch.  This cost the Pats a red zone first down.

    Out of the 9 penalties called on the Ravens, only two were questionable (roughing the passer on Ngata and offensive pass interference on Mason).  The other 7 were boneheaded plays.  One was just outright dirty (Suggs taking a dive at Brady's knee unprovoked).  The Ravens overcame their one questionable call by scoring on the McGahee pass over the middle.

    Out of the 5 penalties called on the Patriots, one was questionable (unnecessary roughness on Mike Wright) and three were boneheaded.  One might have saved Brady from another strip-sack (Light's hold).

    7 boneheaded penalties on the Ravens.  The Patriots scored twice after being flagged, showing that they could overcome penalties.  The refs had no effect.  The Ravens lost.
     
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    the ravens hurt themselves with penalties (with a lot of help from the refs) and then the dropped pass at the end of the game. the game would have been decided pretty much had mark clayton caught that pass. other than that, the defense gave up way too many plays, and the refs helped with their bullsh!t calls. roughing the passer on haloti ngata and terrell suggs almost made me spit up my beer. tom brady is a punk of a quarterback and i don't understand why he just doesn't play golf instead. i'm annoyed right now. i give it to the patriots for good defense for this game, and b-more's defense didn't step up, but the blatant bogus calls were what did me in. this will be a wake up call for bmore, because now they should know what's needed to beat a team that always has the refs in their back pocket. i hope they enjoy their free champagne or whatever the hell belichick promised them. they will get theirs in the end. just like with the superbowl, they didn't win, because they didn't deserve to win. they are cheaters and nothing anyone will say will change my mind.
    Posted by purplemusicmama


    Ignorance is bliss...
     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : But, of course, when roughing was called on the Pats -- and an illegal motion penalty that was a perfectly legal shift -- those were good calls, Yes?
    Posted by prairiemike



    Hit the nail on the head, prairiemike.
     
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    relax,  we may get a shot at the patsys' again in foxboro as a result of this game.  don't think for a minute the ravens will forget this fix...er I mean game result.  Yes a win is a win, but the ravens left knowing they are the better team.  do you think the pats did?  god help you squirrels if you have to come to balto in the postseason.  god help you if we have to come to ne in the post season (just ask tenn )
    Posted by baltimoreon


    Do you really think that the refs had anything to do with your blocking breaking down so much?  Or the fact that we hit Flacco 5+ times?  Or the fact that Mark Clayton had the final three passes hit him in the hands?

    Is that really what a better team constitutes?  If so, we have nothing to fear.  Take a look at my listing of the penalties and you'll realize that the Ravens took some pretty dumb penalties.  Delay of game is just inexcusable for an offense.
     
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    I've been to N'awlins many times Z (although not since the drowning), took my honeymoon there many years ago, as a matter of fact, and have always found it to be a unique place among American cities.

    It surprises me not at all that you call such a place home (even if it is only while you matriculate your phd).

    I appreciate the latitude. One of the things I've learned about people over the years (especially about myself, and most particularly in anonymous forums -- oaky, fora -- like this one) is that you just never know where sense of humor ends and insensitivity begins.

    This kind of thing is much more fun when the people who run their mouths all week come back in after the game to take their lumps after the Pats kick their @sses.

    Well, in any case, slainte'!

    We must endeavor to persevere.
     
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    OMG Nick C if the pats have to come to crabtown for the playoffs, you get free tailgate and perhaps lapdance on the block for that apologist spin by the nfl.  you are the man/woman the nfl is looking for
    Posted by baltimoreon


    Instigating, making excuses for their team, not able to come up with intelligent responses to intelligent posts...

    Ladies & Gentlemen - YOUR BALTIMORE RAVENS FANS!!!
     
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    Hey, who knows?

    Maybe if they get another stiff like Miami in the wild card round, we might see this team again.

    I sure hope so.

     
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    i'm long joe flacco and the ravens.
    the pats are great now, the ravens are going to be great for many years to come.
    flacco is the real deal. he picked apart the pats defense with ease.
     
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    Baltimoreon--- "Your team is aging"

    Wrong!  Actually, the Patriots are getting younger!
     
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    Your team is aging our o is emerging.  we will see you soon. classless as you  think we may be the town that should've spent it's money on a museum rather than a stadium (paul tags in awarding the franchise to jacksonville stadium half full 1998)   but this team won't forget this game and your team won't either.  ask your team who they don't want to see again? spin it for weeks on end, we are winning the rematch if you are lucky enough to have one.
    Posted by baltimoreon



    I think I speak for everyone when I say, ummm, what?
     
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    In Response to Re: PATS vs RAVENS - Game Chat : Sore loser? Far from it. I told you I'd be here after the game and I'm here. I'm telling you how I saw it, don't expect you to agree with me. I also gave your team credit regardless. I'm not making excuses. I believe the Ravens should have been prepared for the poor game calling by the zebras. That's how it is when you play the Golden Boy of the NFL. Perhaps when Flacco gets to that point, he will get those calls as well.
    Posted by PurpleKoolaid


    "I believe the Ravens should have been prepared for the poor game calling by the zebras."  Oh, and you're not a sore loser?  Points for coming back as you said you would, I just would have hope you came back with something substantial.  Here's the difference between us - you get beat, and the plethora of excuses flow.  Pats get beat (by Jets), and most on this board tipped their hats to the Jets playing a better game.  No zebras, no excuses, no conspiracy theories - we whined a bit that our team squandered red zone opportunities, then admitted that, on that particular day, the better team won.  See Purp - you can learn alot from Pats fans - keep hangin' around.
     
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