Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

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    Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    Former head of NFL officiating (not on the payroll these days) claims that since the rule says the ball must be CLEARLY uncatchable, the officials should have stayed with the call on the field.

     

    http://www.csnne.com/video_content_type/mike-pereira-they-should-have-stayed-call-field

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    He's been on completely opposite sides of the debate depending on which way the wind is blowing.   A second career in politics?

    The whole "uncatchable" thing bothers me a lot.  Too much judgement given to the refs.  Heck, to me any ball thrown to Lawrence Maroney should have been deemed uncatchable.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to CatfishHunter's comment:

    He's been on completely opposite sides of the debate depending on which way the wind is blowing.   A second career in politics?

    The whole "uncatchable" thing bothers me a lot.  Too much judgement given to the refs.  Heck, to me any ball thrown to Lawrence Maroney should have been deemed uncatchable.




    The rule says "CLEARLY". Basically it must be like the replay standard. Irrefutable.

    No sensible person without an axe to grind would say that was impossible to catch.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    They call uncatchable ball all the time, except they never do when it comes to negating a PI call. The one and only time it gets called is when it comes to intentional grounding. Those passes are obviously uncatchable. That's the same standard that should be applied to PI, and always has been because it's just not ever called.

    In other words, zero chance from the moment the ball was thrown with zero question whether a receiver could ever catch the ball. Certainly not a case where it's questionable. It should be left for those plays where the interference occurred after the ball was thrown and when the QB was throwing the ball away or made such a horrible pass that it only looked like he was throwing it away. 

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to Muzwell's comment:

    They call uncatchable ball all the time, except they never do when it comes to negating a PI call. The one and only time it gets called is when it comes to intentional grounding. Those passes are obviously uncatchable. That's the same standard that should be applied to PI, and always has been because it's just not ever called.

    In other words, zero chance from the moment the ball was thrown with zero question whether a receiver could ever catch the ball. Certainly not a case where it's questionable. It should be left for those plays where the interference occurred after the ball was thrown and when the QB was throwing the ball away or made such a horrible pass that it only looked like he was throwing it away. 



    It never is called on PI.    ANd that is just the thing...  There are hundreds of times where it COULD have been called and it wasn't.   Paricularly on balls that are way overthrown.  The standard was always in the receivers favor , meaning  "take away the interference and the play unfolds correctly"...  YOU DONT KNOW what the receiver would have done , how high he could have jumped ,etc,etc,etc....  And in this case with gronk,  The ball was low but going right in the direction he was running until LB INterferes with him ...  COMICAL it is so obvious...  

    Never called until game deciding play against the Patriots.  ...lol.  Hmm...  not passing the smell test.

     
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    Perrreira is the closest thing to telling the truth since he represents the NFL 75%...  Meaning he knows how far the rules can be bent since he performed that role for the league for years.

    For him to come out with... don't pick up the flag ... Referree was wrong is a huge slap to the NFL.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    What a lot of people seem to ignore is the ball actually WAS caught. 

     
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    It's not like the league will change the call at this point, and make these teams meet again for one final play. We got screwed by a call....it's over. Can we please move on now? This call will NEVER change. It's in the books....we need to move forward and stop analyzing this thing to death.

    It's over folks....it's time for Denver....

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to tanbass' comment:

    It's not like the league will change the call at this point, and make these teams meet again for one final play. We got screwed by a call....it's over. Can we please move on now? This call will NEVER change. It's in the books....we need to move forward and stop analyzing this thing to death.

    It's over folks....it's time for Denver....



    Agree

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    And so much for the pass being "uncatchable." Unless, of course, you don't belive in science....

     

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4753554/sports-science-examines-game-ending-call

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

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    And so much for the pass being "uncatchable." Unless, of course, you don't belive in science....

     

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4753554/sports-science-examines-game-ending-call




    good post...  Always appreciate the scientific breakdown.  Particularly when they mention the force of momentum since Kueckly running at 240 lbs doubles the force he exerts on gronk who is turning into the ball.    Also true that safety still could haave undercut him but it is also true that safety could have interfered with him too since gronk was closer to ball when he turned and hit kueckly.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to wmasschilly's comment:

    In response to tanbass' comment:

    It's not like the league will change the call at this point, and make these teams meet again for one final play. We got screwed by a call....it's over. Can we please move on now? This call will NEVER change. It's in the books....we need to move forward and stop analyzing this thing to death.

    It's over folks....it's time for Denver....



    Agree



    Also agree.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    how can you prove the ball was "uncatchable" anyway? what if the defender who got the INT had flubbed it....tipped it into Gronks hands??............anything could have occurred.

    We've see wild things  happen all the time.............anybody say "helmet catch"?

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    An important point here is that NEP should never put themselves in situations like this.  If Ridley hangs on the ball, we don't get to such a stage.  If our 3rd down defense wasn't so shoddy, this does not occur.  If we don't take stupid penalties, we don't have the game decided by the zebras.

    It will be even more crucial for NEP to put up a big score against Gomer's broncos because in a close game, particularly now that the horseface has made a spectacular comeback from his neck injury, you can bet NEP do not get close calls but Denver will!

     

    Red Sox 2013 World Series Champs.  Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Champs???!!!

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    Games will be close.......just because Pats were in position like that doesn't mean the refs shouldn't be doing a better job. All teams will have close games.

     

    Just a question.........how many times BEFORE and AFTER has the call made on the Jets OT field goal play been made????

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    If Pereira says so, then YOU KNOW they got the call wrong!!!!

    NFL right now is in complete DAMAGE control about this matter.  Talk about spin!!!

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to wmasschilly's comment:

    What a lot of people seem to ignore is the ball actually WAS caught. 



    wmass...  absolutely like that avatar of Tijuana Brass' album cover.  Ever want to lick that "whipped cream"?

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    The verdict from across the globe is in. Nearly every unbiased observer is saying the flag should have been left on the field. That's good enough for me.

    But don't be surprised if we see more of this nonsense. I'm quite certain at least some NFL games are semi-fixed. They pick their spots though.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    The verdict from across the globe is in. Nearly every unbiased observer is saying the flag should have been left on the field. That's good enough for me.

    But don't be surprised if we see more of this nonsense. I'm quite certain at least some NFL games are semi-fixed. They pick their spots though.



    Like when a call will prevent Carolina from covering the spread?

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to OneManBanned's comment:

    "What they are going to talk about is when did the restriction occur in relation to the ball being touched, because once the ball is touched, you cannot have pass interference. This is a judgment call, the officials don't have the use of replay, they don't have slow-motion replay, and ultimately they ruled that the restriction occurred simultaneously with the ball being touched, and when you watch it at full speed, you can see why they would make that call on the field."



    first post today?....copy and pasted that from what?

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to zbellino's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    The verdict from across the globe is in. Nearly every unbiased observer is saying the flag should have been left on the field. That's good enough for me.

    But don't be surprised if we see more of this nonsense. I'm quite certain at least some NFL games are semi-fixed. They pick their spots though.



    Like when a call will prevent Carolina from covering the spread?




    Yeah. I think they try to keep the blatant ones like Monday's few and far between, and not every game is targeted, but somebody is up to no good at least part of the time.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    " ultimately they ruled that the restriction occurred simultaneously with the ball being touched, and when you watch it at full speed, you can see why they would make that call on the field.""

    See, this is the interesting point. 

    There are really two explanations for this call. 

    One is the above: that the restriction happened simultaneously with the ball being touched. That's wrong but it's a more reasonable explanation. 

    The other is that there WAS pass interference but that the ball was uncatcheable. 

    So there are really two different explanations the NFL is floating for this call. They are different because each one, independently of the other, justifies the call in the field. 

    The second, the uncatheable ball, is an absurd explanation, as that call is never made on a PI call. That's too bad because that seems to be the one the refs actually used when they conferred. 

    The first one is perhaps being floated to avoid a focus on the uncatcheable aspect. 

    In that case, you can understand how human error would prevent the refs from making the right call. But: that's why if this was the reason for the call, such calls should be reviewable starting next year. 

    PI is subjective, but you should be able to review whether the PI happened before or after ball contact, if that is the key consideration. 

     

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

    In response to sml1210's comment:

    And so much for the pass being "uncatchable." Unless, of course, you don't belive in science....

     

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4753554/sports-science-examines-game-ending-call




    Good link. Simple observation of the vid shows things could have been different if Gronk was not muscled out of the play.

     
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    Re: Pereira says they should have left the flag down.

     

    In response to agcsbill's comment:

    In response to wmasschilly's comment:

    What a lot of people seem to ignore is the ball actually WAS caught. 



    wmass...  absolutely like that avatar of Tijuana Brass' album cover.  Ever want to lick that "whipped cream"?

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