In response to dapats1281's comment:
In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
I would argue that you can't get to 5 Super Bowls without being a great QB. A lot of the other stuff evens out. Look at how the team around Brady has changed from his first SB to this year. Look at the all the different receivers he's thrown to. Look at the great running game he usually hasn't had. Look at his regular season W-L record and his TD to INT numbers. I'm not even a big Pats fan, but I've watched a lot of Pats games and I think Brady is clearly one of the great ones. I was actually hoping the Pats would win it all this year so any arguments about him would be over.
Needless to say the fact the Pats haven't won it all for 8 years detracts from his record. But 5 trips puts him with Elway and is more than even Montana.
I never said Brady wasn't great. He's a top 5 QB of all time. My point is that Manning isn't a big a choke as people make him out to be. He's had 8 one and dones. Yeah. 3 came in the fetal stages of his career. Michael Jordan lost in the first round in his first 3 trips to the playoffs. 3 of Mannings last 4 one and dones came against teams that Brady eventually lost to. Unlucky draws that he got them in the first round.
Both are all time great QBs, top 10 definitely, top 5 is worthy of a debate. Just saying the gap between Brady and Manning in the playoffs isn't as significant as people make it out to be.
Well I think when you say there is a big gap between Brady and Manning perceived by fans, I'd say that for the most part that is not true. People around some parts of the country consider Manning to be better than Brady. Some parts consider them equal...around here Manning is considered a choke artist. I'll tell you I didn't really consider Manning to be a choke artist until I heard how many one and dones he had and after watching him throw that awful interception across his body in overtime that last game - that was some real choke quality stuff right there. Never mind the fact that he threw another pick earlier in the game and had a fumble (that was called back, but should of been a fumble).
The other thing that kind of shocked me is the way Manning looked on the field that day - it was a very cold game - and he walks out to center field for the coin toss looking like he was freezing to death. He had on what looked like a child's snow hood...he had his hands buried in his pockets...his shoulders were raised up towards his neck to gather extra warmth. I know it was cold, but at least look like it doesn't bother you - Ray Lewis looked like he was ready to take his shirt off and lay on the ground and start sunning himself. When I saw that I immediately thought...wow the Ravens have a chance in this game.