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    Colts sign Manning's future replacement,

    http://www.thestarpress.com/article/20110726/SPORTS/110726003/Ex-Ball-State-QB-sign-Colts?odyssey=tab
     
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    In Response to Re: Peyton Manning - 5 YRS - 90 MIL : Cuts for  the better. They just brought in Haynesworth and Ocho and had them restructure and they're not done. Who have the Colts signed? Just answer the question.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing

    No one.  Its not the colts typical MO.  In the last 10 years they've signed 2 major free agents.  One worked the other didn't.  Adam Vinatieri, Corey Simon. 

    I thought you knew the NFL.  Its obvious that you don't, because anyone who knows football knows that the colts aren't typically big FA players. 

    You just keep proving that your superiority complex is actually an inferiority complex.    Red head.  Foot in mouth
     
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    He calls my a hypocrite but won't answer a simple question. Two questions he's dodged: 1. Who has Indy cut and signed/who do they need to sign from the last few years' squads? 2. Is Underpanties fearful of Houston or Jax in that division? Pretty simple questions, but he loves being the butterfly and dancing around them. That's should be another nickname for Panties:  Butterfly
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    I've answered all of your questions either directly or they've already been answered in a post to another person.  When you ask them, you are impatient like a 4 year old - but actually thats not surprising.  Man up.  

    The colts released and resigned Ryan Diem.  Colts released Kelvin Hayden.  

    I am always fearful of in division rivals given the colts dominance.  Not unlike the pats in the east, when given enough time to make changes, teams get better.  

    Time to change your diaper redhead.
     
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    In Response to Re: Peyton Manning - 5 YRS - 90 MIL : 1.  I bring it up because you're making it sound like PM "took" a contract lesser in value so it would help the Colts clear cap-space.  I disagree because in years 2 and 3 it will inhibit the Colts' cap.  You don't want to "see" that, but others, including those opining in media outlets disagree also. 2.  You're right with respect to FA's and the Colts.  Perhaps you could bring one or two in if you're boy Manning really did take less, which we both know he did not - only you seem to think it's going to help your team. 3.  Yes, I understand that the Colts injuries last year where the most any team had to face in the modern era (yup, I'm being sarcastic).  Because we all know the Pats and other teams Colts compete against had absolutely zero injuries.  Got it.
    Posted by gr82bme


    grt -
    1. it helps the colts in the current year. 
    2.  we have no idea what the cap hit for next year will be.  You may assume, but you may be wrong.  This year it is 7 million less than it would have been under the tag. 
    3.  If Manning's #'s get to be too much, he can always restructure.  He's had a history of restructuring. 
    4.  We'll see what happens with FA's. Maybe the colts will dabble a little.  Although they do it sparingly, they have done it. 
    5.  The colts injuries were substantial.  Injuries play a large role in any teams' success.  Its rare when teams succeed regardless of injuries which is why we should concerned about Green Bay.
     
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    Undy, what is the plan for Rb in Indy???? Addai is back but is that a good thing??? I applaud PM for not breaking the bank but why couldn't they have gotten this done 4 days ago,lots of FA's gone that could help a suspect defense.
     
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    So, another season of the status quo Colts as Manning sits out camp means you think the Colts are a slam dunk division winner in 2011? And whom of their own do they still need to sign, if they aren't taeegting any FAs to complement their base?  I noticed you dodged the other question. Shocking. Finally, no inferiority complex here. I am a Pats fan, you, a Colts fan.  Try to make sense, cupcake.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    Got your new diaper yet? 

    There are no guarantees that the colts win anything.  They've now resigned most of their own. 

    oops  redhead shat again.  Gonna need lots of wipes this time.  yuck.
     
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    Undy, what is the plan for Rb in Indy???? Addai is back but is that a good thing??? I applaud PM for not breaking the bank but why couldn't they have gotten this done 4 days ago,lots of FA's gone that could help a suspect defense.
    Posted by TrueChamp

    Wow champ - this might be the first post in 2 years with respect to me that didn't include an insult directed at me.  Thanks. 

    To answer your questions.  Addai is injury prone, but knows the system inside and out and is effective in it, if not spectacular on the run.  He can catch and pick up the blitz. 

    Brown has been a disappointment, but there's still hope.  This will be his 3rd yr. 

    Colts picked up RBs in the 4th and 6th and picked up a couple of udfa's.  We'll see how things pan out.

    I don't know why this wasn't done earlier except to say that I think Manning may have screwed up.  I believe he didn't care about being highest paid.  He'd made reference much earlier in the offseason or even last year that he was interested in helping the team with other players.  So his fault was (and I am speculating) that he assumed and did not instruct his agent about how to get the deal done.  I was actually bothered by Irsay's public comments about the deal, but I was wrong.  He pushed things in exactly the way he should have to get the deal done. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Peyton Manning - 5 YRS - 90 MIL : grt - 1. it helps the colts in the current year.  2.  we have no idea what the cap hit for next year will be.  You may assume, but you may be wrong.  This year it is 7 million less than it would have been under the tag.  3.  If Manning's #'s get to be too much, he can always restructure.  He's had a history of restructuring.  4.  We'll see what happens with FA's. Maybe the colts will dabble a little.  Although they do it sparingly, they have done it.  5.  The colts injuries were substantial.  Injuries play a large role in any teams' success.  Its rare when teams succeed regardless of injuries which is why we should concerned about Green Bay.
    Posted by UD6


    Dum bass - with respect to the cap hit, you know it will hurt because the gap will not (from a historical perspective) raise relative to PM's contract.  You're the one now hiding your head in the sand.  With respect to restructuring, just because he's done so in the past (and I too think he will in the future) you cannot "GUARANTEE" he will - like say TB has on several occasions.  Nice try meathead - but you're still a day late and a dollar short.
     
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    Grt - do you know how Manning's salary works related to the cap in each year of his contract?  If not, then all you are doing is speculating. 

    Call me whatever you wish, but I find it extremely amusing that many here were claiming manning was holding out for 25 mill (Texas Pat where are you), and now that he is signed for the same average annual salary as Brady, you are attempting to find some new avenue to fault him.  How pathetic is that? 

    For you specifically - Brady complained before his deal was up so that he could get more.  I could care less and think he should have done it, but had any non-patriot done that you and many of your ilk would have called him bashed him from here to kindom come for his greed.   

    Its no different bringing in Haynesworth.  The guy may end up being great, but he's a dirtbag of a human now on a team that its fandom has called classy.  Even if that guy sings in the church choir from here on out, he'll still be a dirtbag.  Never classy.  I am sure now, however, it simply about winning, right?

    Take off the pats glasses, my friend.  Manning essentially shut down the haters on this board and any attempt you make to spin his deal negatively only exposes that hate even more. 

    You're rationality meter for pro football is currently -1. 
     
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    Let us be objective here for goodness sake. As long as P Manning is behind center the Colts will win the South-Period.You may not like the guy and may hate the Colts as I do but you must give the Man his due, he is a Hall of fame QB-Period! All this Manning hate stuff is foolish. And by the way our beloved Brady and Manning are very good friens that must say something about the Man. For Gods sake none of us even know the man and some on here say the most harsh things about him-if you got to know him you just might like him-just saying!
     
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         I'm still waiting for an explanation on how paying Mr. Wonderful $23mil. per year for the next 3 years is a "cap friendly" deal...that doesn't hurt the Colts' ability to surround "His Highness" with good players:
    http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2011/07/30/colts-qb-gets-paid-but-something-didnt-add-up/
         
     
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    Well lets begin with your link doesn't really match your question, but really who cares, right? 

    As to the link, I completely agree with Wilson, I really don't know what happened.  I went on record last week saying I thought that Irsay screwed up by going public, but without any other information to the contrary to use, it appears that it may have worked. 

    If I recall, Manning may have said once before that he didn't need to be the highest paid or that signing and resigning quality players was most important to him, but I may be wrong. 

    As to Wilson's points, I wondered about his 2nd bullett - that he may have allowed Condon to negotiate without input until Irsay went public.  Condon is powerful, effective, and only cares about his clients.  If this was true, Manning had to slap Condon down, and he had to go public to save face.  Further, if there is truth to this then it follows the "I don't want to be distracted" position regarding the "in-season" offer.  It also, suggests that Condon (siding with the NFLPA) helped keep Manning from signing prior to the end of the old CBA.  But who knows exactly what is the truth. 

    As to your unrelated question - I have no idea, and I think many wonder, how earning 23 million in each of the first 3 years equates to a 16 million cap hit this year, but that is what is being reported. 
     
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    TP, you claim to put Dogg on ignore and encourage everyone else to do the same but you go back and forth with him on these threads for days. What gives?
     
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    TP, you claim to put Dogg on ignore and encourage everyone else to do the same but you go back and forth with him on these threads for days. What gives?
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33


         Have you seen any of that lately? I've had enough of his childish lies, misrepresentations, and misdirecting of conversations. I put him on ignore two weeks ago. 
     
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    TP, you claim to put Dogg on ignore and encourage everyone else to do the same but you go back and forth with him on these threads for days. What gives?
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33


    Capyz - He put me on ignore when Manning said he would not seek to be the highest paid player and subsequently proved it. 

    TP's #1 posting topic for the last 9-10 months has been pushing the Manning greed angle.  When all of that fell apart, Patty's posting world came crashing down like a lead Zepplin.  Really what was his choice? 

    His every post regarding me includes the wornout "lies, misrepresentations, and misdirections" comment, but no one demonstrated that any better than TP with his Manning contract rant over the last 9-10 months.  

    He's a broken man, and no one likes to see that.  The fact is he knew he wouldn't be able to stand the heat if I challenged him about his last year of Manning bashing.  Look at him now, looking for anything to save face.  The shame is that his posts and related links don't even match one another now.  (see his prior post).  Texas Patty -  Truly a broken man. 

    Lets bow our heads. 
     
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         Colts starting LT, Charlie Johnson, has just signed with the Minnesota Vikings: http://www.indystar.com/article/20110801/SPORTS03/110801013/Vikings-sign-Colts-free-agent-LT-Charlie-Johnson

         Gee wiz...I guess that "cap friendly" $23mil. per year deal that Peyton signed wasn't all that friendly after all.

         LOL!!!
     
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    Grt - do you know how Manning's salary works related to the cap in each year of his contract?  If not, then all you are doing is speculating.  Call me whatever you wish, but I find it extremely amusing that many here were claiming manning was holding out for 25 mill (Texas Pat where are you), and now that he is signed for the same average annual salary as Brady, you are attempting to find some new avenue to fault him.  How pathetic is that?  For you specifically - Brady complained before his deal was up so that he could get more.  I could care less and think he should have done it, but had any non-patriot done that you and many of your ilk would have called him bashed him from here to kindom come for his greed.    Its no different bringing in Haynesworth.  The guy may end up being great, but he's a dirtbag of a human now on a team that its fandom has called classy.  Even if that guy sings in the church choir from here on out, he'll still be a dirtbag.  Never classy.  I am sure now, however, it simply about winning, right? Take off the pats glasses, my friend.  Manning essentially shut down the haters on this board and any attempt you make to spin his deal negatively only exposes that hate even more.  You're rationality meter for pro football is currently -1. 
    Posted by UD6


    Child please pull your head out of your bottom.

    1.  With respect to your first question, he's being paid 69 M for the first three years - or 23 per.  If the cap is 120 this year, that's 19% of the overall team cap.  If the cap raises 10 M next year that's about 17.6%.  If the cap raises another 10 M the 3rd year of his deal, it's 16.4%.  For TB (same cap assumptions), it would be 15, 13.8, and 12.8 percent respectively on those years, or about 4% less cap space per year (at 18 M per).  I know you consider reporters Silver and Felger to be the best of the best, but per Peter King (he's got a flawless reputation), courteousy of his "Monday morning QB," the contract "looks to be good for both sides, with 69 M in the first three years - seems to be with the implicit understanding that PM will redo the deal in 2014.  That's a significant year.  It's when the salary cap could go up appreciably because the TV deals will go up appreciably."  Later, King state that "....although PM is not one to grouse or insist about opening a contract early, I'm thinking about getting one last contract bump when the Colts can affort it better in 2014.  Now, as I stated earlier I don't lend a bunch of credence to reporters, but to insinuate it's a "great" for cap reasons given the percentages above is not really true.
    2.  I never said anything about him "getting," "wanting," etc. 25M per year.  Perhaps others did, I did not.  The "same annual value as TB" crapola is a folly as well (makes me think the Colts front office and the PM sycophants are the ones running our country's budget) as for the first 3 years 23 is more than 18 by a healthy margin (over 70%).  You may not think he'll redo the out years, because after all, nobody has ever done that and I'm positive he'll be willing to accept a 8-9 M per year pay cut.  Sure doggpoop, happens all the time.  Please hold your breath on that one.
    3.  You've yet to provide a single quote from TB with respect to his contract.  As my 12-year old Son would say, "epic fail mister."
    4.  With respect to Haynesworth, I agree, he's quite a piece of work.  Find for me where I referred to him as "classy."  Do I hope he performs well?  Of course, he's on our team.  Would I let him sit my Son?  Heck no!  I don't wear "Pats glasses" and even if I did, I'd have a pretty fair amount of reasons why:  3 SBs.  What's Indy got again?  One?  Team-X "glasses" coming from you?  Again, hypocrisy, thy name is Underdoggpoop or one of his many aliases.
    5.  With respect to my "rationality meter" for pro football - never said I was an expert, never said I knew X's and O's, never even said PM wasn't an all-world QB.  And again, while you question my football rationality, you continue to post on another team's site with the sole intention of stirring the pot.  And every time you get caught with your perverbial pants down, by hordes of other posters, you resort to blind, childish BS.  You're the very epitome of the Lennon-McCartney line:  "living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see."

    I apologize to all others less underdoggpoop for the length of this post.

     
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    Correction:  paragraph 2 should stae 20% vice 70%.  My bad.
     
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    Grt - do you know how Manning's salary works related to the cap in each year of his contract? If not, then all you are doing is speculating. Call me whatever you wish, but I find it extremely amusing that many here were claiming manning was holding out for 25 mill (Texas Pat where are you), and now that he is signed for the same average annual salary as Brady, you are attempting to find some new avenue to fault him. How pathetic is that? For you specifically - Brady complained before his deal was up so that he could get more. I could care less and think he should have done it, but had any non-patriot done that you and many of your ilk would have called him bashed him from here to kindom come for his greed. Its no different bringing in Haynesworth. The guy may end up being great, but he's a dirtbag of a human now on a team that its fandom has called classy. Even if that guy sings in the church choir from here on out, he'll still be a dirtbag. Never classy. I am sure now, however, it simply about winning, right? Take off the pats glasses, my friend. Manning essentially shut down the haters on this board and any attempt you make to spin his deal negatively only exposes that hate even more. You're rationality meter for pro football is currently -1.
    Posted by UD6


    Child please pull your head out of your bottom.

    1. With respect to your first question, he's being paid 69 M for the first three years - or 23 per. If the cap is 120 this year, that's 19% of the overall team cap. If the cap raises 10 M next year that's about 17.6%. If the cap raises another 10 M the 3rd year of his deal, it's 16.4%. For TB (same cap assumptions), it would be 15, 13.8, and 12.8 percent respectively on those years, or about 4% less cap space per year (at 18 M per). I know you consider reporters Silver and Felger to be the best of the best, but per Peter King (he's got a flawless reputation), courteousy of his "Monday morning QB," the contract "looks to be good for both sides, with 69 M in the first three years - seems to be with the implicit understanding that PM will redo the deal in 2014. That's a significant year. It's when the salary cap could go up appreciably because the TV deals will go up appreciably." Later, King state that "....although PM is not one to grouse or insist about opening a contract early, I'm thinking about getting one last contract bump when the Colts can affort it better in 2014. Now, as I stated earlier I don't lend a bunch of credence to reporters, but to insinuate it's a "great" for cap reasons given the percentages above is not really true.
    Gr8 - you are not presenting very well.  Please reread my post.  I asked do you know how his salary works as it relates to the cap in each year of his contract.  The fact is cap management is significantly more complicated than simple math.  It is being reported that Manning's contract this year only counts 16 million against the colts cap, 13.3% of the limit.  I don't know how it affects future years and by your immediate mistake, its clear you don't either.  

    The rest of your comment is blather, which is fine as long as you remember that Brady just forced the pats to redo his deal before it was up while Manning played out the entirety of his deal. 


    2. I never said anything about him "getting," "wanting," etc. 25M per year. Perhaps others did, I did not. The "same annual value as TB" crapola is a folly as well (makes me think the Colts front office and the PM sycophants are the ones running our country's budget) as for the first 3 years 23 is more than 18 by a healthy margin (over 70%). You may not think he'll redo the out years, because after all, nobody has ever done that and I'm positive he'll be willing to accept a 8-9 M per year pay cut. Sure doggpoop, happens all the time. Please hold your breath on that one.
    Again, speculate all you, but remember Brady forced a deal before his contract was up while Manning actually played out his contract, and Manning did it without people "close to him" complaining to the media.

    3. You've yet to provide a single quote from TB with respect to his contract. As my 12-year old Son would say, "epic fail mister."
    Don't you find it hypocritical that you are willing to speculate with evidence to the contrary about Manning but are unwilling to connect the circumstantial dots with regard to Brady.  Just admit you are wearing pats goggles and we'll call it a day.   


    4. With respect to Haynesworth, I agree, he's quite a piece of work. Find for me where I referred to him as "classy." Do I hope he performs well? Of course, he's on our team. Would I let him sit my Son? Heck no! I don't wear "Pats glasses" and even if I did, I'd have a pretty fair amount of reasons why: 3 SBs. What's Indy got again? One? Team-X "glasses" coming from you? Again, hypocrisy, thy name is Underdoggpoop or one of his many aliases.
    I didn't say you said he was classy.  My post wasn't specifically directed at you, but my point remains the same.  I expect Haynesworth will play well.  He's now got something to prove and Belichick will give him an opportunity to prove it and play him in a manner that makes him most effective. 

    5. With respect to my "rationality meter" for pro football - never said I was an expert, never said I knew X's and O's, never even said PM wasn't an all-world QB. And again, while you question my football rationality, you continue to post on another team's site with the sole intention of stirring the pot. And every time you get caught with your perverbial pants down, by hordes of other posters, you resort to blind, childish BS. You're the very epitome of the Lennon-McCartney line: "living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see."
    Well you are certainly trying to act like one by claiming you know what Mannings cap number is.  Finally, pal, i find it hypocritical for you to attempt to claim some moral high ground while wallowing in the same mud that you seem to think I reside.  How do you see yourself as somehow "better" than me while bashing Manning on a Manning thread on a pats website. I just don't get that.
     
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    Let us be objective here for goodness sake. As long as P Manning is behind center the Colts will win the South-Period.You may not like the guy and may hate the Colts as I do but you must give the Man his due, he is a Hall of fame QB-Period! All this Manning hate stuff is foolish. And by the way our beloved Brady and Manning are very good friens that must say something about the Man. For Gods sake none of us even know the man and some on here say the most harsh things about him-if you got to know him you just might like him-just saying!
    Posted by jimmytantric


    Okay, let's be objective. If you knew a guy who stuck his sphincter and testicles in a female trainer's face holding her down and laughing, would you like him?

    Brady and Manning are not "very good friends". They text sometimes. They are aquainted and probably respect each others ability. Don't make more of it than there is jimmy.
     
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    Correction:  paragraph 2 should stae 20% vice 70%.  My bad.
    Posted by gr82bme



    Why didn't you just "edit" it?
     
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