PFF focuses on Vellano and the Guards

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    PFF focuses on Vellano and the Guards

    Replacing Wilfork

    Generally viewed as perhaps the most irreplaceable player on the Patriots’ defense, defensive tackle Vince Wilfork had season-ending surgery this week on a torn Achilles. New England entered the season with a less-than-full cupboard at the position, so much of the pressure has been put on undrafted defensive tackle Joe Vellano. Early returns were not good, as Vellano was easily moved in the running game at times on his way to a -6.1 grade against the run. It started on the Bengals’ first play from scrimmage as Vellano was moved off his spot by center Kyle Cook to open a hole for a 13-yard gain for Green-Ellis. It was more of the same later in the quarter with 1:37 to go as this time Vellano got sent to the ground by Cook and left guard Clint Boling with a similar 13-yard result. Fast forward to the 11:32 mark of the fourth quarter and Cook once again had his way with Vellano to open a gaping hole up front. While Vellano did have some positive moments as a pass rusher, his weakness at the point of attack was evident throughout the game.

    Guards Struggle

    An uncharacteristic offensive effort by the Patriots was marred by poor guard play, as LG Logan Mankins (-3.8) and RG Dan Connolly (-2.8) were generally handled by the Bengals’ defensive front. Granted, going up against DT Geno Atkins doesn’t help, as Mankins can attest. Atkins bull rushed him into QB Tom Brady’s lap with 4:39 to go in the first and later notched a sack that was negated by a Cincinnati offsides penalty. It was more of the same in the run game, as Atkins continually got inside Mankins to affect Patriots’ blocking schemes. As for Connolly, most of his issues came in pass protection where he graded at -2.7 on his way to surrendering a sack, hit, and two hurries on 45 drop-backs. Atkins got the better of him for the two hurries, while DE Wallace Gilberry notched all three hits, including one that saw him get into Brady’s face in 1.7 seconds at the 0:22 mark of the second quarter.

    And some Brady commentary

    - When Brady had less than 2.6 seconds to throw, he was 6 of 19 with a QB Rating of 35.2. When using play action, he was 1 of 8 for 53 yards with the lone completion going to rookie WR Aaron Dobson.

    - Patriots receivers dropped six passes, including three from WR Danny Amendola.

     
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    The game is won and lost in the trenches...

     
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    Vellano weighs like 300 pounds...flat. BB can't have thought he was capable of playing NT, could they?

     

    Anyway, only one more game to go before we get both Gronk and Armstead back. Only 4 more weeks till we get Vareen back and Rildey should be back for the Saints game.

     

    We'll be alright by week 10.

     
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    Replacing Wilfork

    Generally viewed as perhaps the most irreplaceable player on the Patriots’ defense, defensive tackle Vince Wilfork had season-ending surgery this week on a torn Achilles. New England entered the season with a less-than-full cupboard at the position, so much of the pressure has been put on undrafted defensive tackle Joe Vellano. Early returns were not good, as Vellano was easily moved in the running game at times on his way to a -6.1 grade against the run. It started on the Bengals’ first play from scrimmage as Vellano was moved off his spot by center Kyle Cook to open a hole for a 13-yard gain for Green-Ellis. It was more of the same later in the quarter with 1:37 to go as this time Vellano got sent to the ground by Cook and left guard Clint Boling with a similar 13-yard result. Fast forward to the 11:32 mark of the fourth quarter and Cook once again had his way with Vellano to open a gaping hole up front. While Vellano did have some positive moments as a pass rusher, his weakness at the point of attack was evident throughout the game.

    Guards Struggle

    An uncharacteristic offensive effort by the Patriots was marred by poor guard play, as LG Logan Mankins (-3.8) and RG Dan Connolly (-2.8) were generally handled by the Bengals’ defensive front. Granted, going up against DT Geno Atkins doesn’t help, as Mankins can attest. Atkins bull rushed him into QB Tom Brady’s lap with 4:39 to go in the first and later notched a sack that was negated by a Cincinnati offsides penalty. It was more of the same in the run game, as Atkins continually got inside Mankins to affect Patriots’ blocking schemes. As for Connolly, most of his issues came in pass protection where he graded at -2.7 on his way to surrendering a sack, hit, and two hurries on 45 drop-backs. Atkins got the better of him for the two hurries, while DE Waltlace Gilberry notched all three hits, including one that saw him get into Brady’s face in 1.7 seconds at the 0:22 mark of the second quarter.

    And some Brady commentary

    - When Brady had less than 2.6 seconds to throw, he was 6 of 19 with a QB Rating of 35.2. When using play action, he was 1 of 8 for 53 yards with the lone completion going to rookie WR Aaron Dobson.

    - Patriots receivers dropped six passes, including three from WR Danny Amendola.



    2.6 seconds, most qb's suck when given that time.

     

    the play action sucked becasue Cinci ws never forced to respect the run...or anything for that matter.

     
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    Replacing Wilfork

    Generally viewed as perhaps the most irreplaceable player on the Patriots’ defense, defensive tackle Vince Wilfork had season-ending surgery this week on a torn Achilles. New England entered the season with a less-than-full cupboard at the position, so much of the pressure has been put on undrafted defensive tackle Joe Vellano. Early returns were not good, as Vellano was easily moved in the running game at times on his way to a -6.1 grade against the run. It started on the Bengals’ first play from scrimmage as Vellano was moved off his spot by center Kyle Cook to open a hole for a 13-yard gain for Green-Ellis. It was more of the same later in the quarter with 1:37 to go as this time Vellano got sent to the ground by Cook and left guard Clint Boling with a similar 13-yard result. Fast forward to the 11:32 mark of the fourth quarter and Cook once again had his way with Vellano to open a gaping hole up front. While Vellano did have some positive moments as a pass rusher, his weakness at the point of attack was evident throughout the game.

    Guards Struggle

    An uncharacteristic offensive effort by the Patriots was marred by poor guard play, as LG Logan Mankins (-3.8) and RG Dan Connolly (-2.8) were generally handled by the Bengals’ defensive front. Granted, going up against DT Geno Atkins doesn’t help, as Mankins can attest. Atkins bull rushed him into QB Tom Brady’s lap with 4:39 to go in the first and later notched a sack that was negated by a Cincinnati offsides penalty. It was more of the same in the run game, as Atkins continually got inside Mankins to affect Patriots’ blocking schemes. As for Connolly, most of his issues came in pass protection where he graded at -2.7 on his way to surrendering a sack, hit, and two hurries on 45 drop-backs. Atkins got the better of him for the two hurries, while DE Wallace Gilberry notched all three hits, including one that saw him get into Brady’s face in 1.7 seconds at the 0:22 mark of the second quarter.

    And some Brady commentary

    - When Brady had less than 2.6 seconds to throw, he was 6 of 19 with a QB Rating of 35.2. When using play action, he was 1 of 8 for 53 yards with the lone completion going to rookie WR Aaron Dobson.

    - Patriots receivers dropped six passes, including three from WR Danny Amendola.



    Thanks for posting this, I have Rusty on ignore but have to read how good Vellano was in poster's responses to him for the first four games, funny how good he was playing minuscule minutes behind Wilfork and Kelly and the moment he has to start we lose.  Don't get me wrong, the defense on the whole played superb, but Vellano was a a revolving door against the run and didn't do anything vs the pass.  

    Chris Jones on the other hand stopped the Bengals run game in the red zone when he was finally inserted in the game, collected a sack and had an all around better game than Vellano he has had all season.  

    Vellano was obvious enough that the commentators pointed out his deficiencies in game, but I guess Russ knows better and Brady was to blame for Cincy's success in the run game as well as losing the game for us.  For too many posters here Brady is the reason for everything, good or bad.

     
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    Replacing Wilfork

    Generally viewed as perhaps the most irreplaceable player on the Patriots’ defense, defensive tackle Vince Wilfork had season-ending surgery this week on a torn Achilles. New England entered the season with a less-than-full cupboard at the position, so much of the pressure has been put on undrafted defensive tackle Joe Vellano. Early returns were not good, as Vellano was easily moved in the running game at times on his way to a -6.1 grade against the run. It started on the Bengals’ first play from scrimmage as Vellano was moved off his spot by center Kyle Cook to open a hole for a 13-yard gain for Green-Ellis. It was more of the same later in the quarter with 1:37 to go as this time Vellano got sent to the ground by Cook and left guard Clint Boling with a similar 13-yard result. Fast forward to the 11:32 mark of the fourth quarter and Cook once again had his way with Vellano to open a gaping hole up front. While Vellano did have some positive moments as a pass rusher, his weakness at the point of attack was evident throughout the game.

    Guards Struggle

    An uncharacteristic offensive effort by the Patriots was marred by poor guard play, as LG Logan Mankins (-3.8) and RG Dan Connolly (-2.8) were generally handled by the Bengals’ defensive front. Granted, going up against DT Geno Atkins doesn’t help, as Mankins can attest. Atkins bull rushed him into QB Tom Brady’s lap with 4:39 to go in the first and later notched a sack that was negated by a Cincinnati offsides penalty. It was more of the same in the run game, as Atkins continually got inside Mankins to affect Patriots’ blocking schemes. As for Connolly, most of his issues came in pass protection where he graded at -2.7 on his way to surrendering a sack, hit, and two hurries on 45 drop-backs. Atkins got the better of him for the two hurries, while DE Wallace Gilberry notched all three hits, including one that saw him get into Brady’s face in 1.7 seconds at the 0:22 mark of the second quarter.

    And some Brady commentary

    - When Brady had less than 2.6 seconds to throw, he was 6 of 19 with a QB Rating of 35.2. When using play action, he was 1 of 8 for 53 yards with the lone completion going to rookie WR Aaron Dobson.

    - Patriots receivers dropped six passes, including three from WR Danny Amendola.

     



    Thanks for posting this, I have Rusty on ignore but have to read how good Vellano was in poster's responses to him for the first four games, funny how good he was playing minuscule minutes behind Wilfork and Kelly and the moment he has to start we lose.  Don't get me wrong, the defense on the whole played superb, but Vellano was a a revolving door against the run and didn't do anything vs the pass.  

     

    Chris Jones on the other hand stopped the Bengals run game in the red zone when he was finally inserted in the game, collected a sack and had an all around better game than Vellano he has had all season.  

    Vellano was obvious enough that the commentators pointed out his deficiencies in game, but I guess Russ knows better and Brady was to blame for Cincy's success in the run game as well as losing the game for us.  For too many posters here Brady is the reason for everything, good or bad.

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    yes, I noticed how similar your take was on this. 

     
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    NE should pick up someone like Casey Hampton for the occassional down where you want a big immobile NT that is hard to move. Maybe someone even bigger and less mobile..just to clog up the middle. As a 1 play per ever couple series type should be able to get him for min contract.

    I like the rooks for every down situations. They are mobile and energetic juat too easy to push on short yardage.

     
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    Some more interesting stats:

    Game 1:  136 yards rushing - the longest run by the QB

    Game 2:  129 yards - the longest run by the QB

    Game 3:  97 yards

    Game 4:  58 yards

    Game 5:  162 yards rushing

    But I guess there was no drop off with Vellano starting...

     

     
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    Replacing Wilfork

    Generally viewed as perhaps the most irreplaceable player on the Patriots’ defense, defensive tackle Vince Wilfork had season-ending surgery this week on a torn Achilles. New England entered the season with a less-than-full cupboard at the position, so much of the pressure has been put on undrafted defensive tackle Joe Vellano. Early returns were not good, as Vellano was easily moved in the running game at times on his way to a -6.1 grade against the run. It started on the Bengals’ first play from scrimmage as Vellano was moved off his spot by center Kyle Cook to open a hole for a 13-yard gain for Green-Ellis. It was more of the same later in the quarter with 1:37 to go as this time Vellano got sent to the ground by Cook and left guard Clint Boling with a similar 13-yard result. Fast forward to the 11:32 mark of the fourth quarter and Cook once again had his way with Vellano to open a gaping hole up front. While Vellano did have some positive moments as a pass rusher, his weakness at the point of attack was evident throughout the game.

    Guards Struggle

    An uncharacteristic offensive effort by the Patriots was marred by poor guard play, as LG Logan Mankins (-3.8) and RG Dan Connolly (-2.8) were generally handled by the Bengals’ defensive front. Granted, going up against DT Geno Atkins doesn’t help, as Mankins can attest. Atkins bull rushed him into QB Tom Brady’s lap with 4:39 to go in the first and later notched a sack that was negated by a Cincinnati offsides penalty. It was more of the same in the run game, as Atkins continually got inside Mankins to affect Patriots’ blocking schemes. As for Connolly, most of his issues came in pass protection where he graded at -2.7 on his way to surrendering a sack, hit, and two hurries on 45 drop-backs. Atkins got the better of him for the two hurries, while DE Wallace Gilberry notched all three hits, including one that saw him get into Brady’s face in 1.7 seconds at the 0:22 mark of the second quarter.

    And some Brady commentary

    - When Brady had less than 2.6 seconds to throw, he was 6 of 19 with a QB Rating of 35.2. When using play action, he was 1 of 8 for 53 yards with the lone completion going to rookie WR Aaron Dobson.

    - Patriots receivers dropped six passes, including three from WR Danny Amendola.

     

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    Thanks for posting this, I have Rusty on ignore but have to read how good Vellano was in poster's responses to him for the first four games, funny how good he was playing minuscule minutes behind Wilfork and Kelly and the moment he has to start we lose.  Don't get me wrong, the defense on the whole played superb, but Vellano was a a revolving door against the run and didn't do anything vs the pass.  

     

    Chris Jones on the other hand stopped the Bengals run game in the red zone when he was finally inserted in the game, collected a sack and had an all around better game than Vellano he has had all season.  

    Vellano was obvious enough that the commentators pointed out his deficiencies in game, but I guess Russ knows better and Brady was to blame for Cincy's success in the run game as well as losing the game for us.  For too many posters here Brady is the reason for everything, good or bad.

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    Another Classic where I have to school Rusty... keep in mind this is the beginning of October.

     
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    LMAO

    Our Run D today was outstanding like vs Carolina.  McGehee, WHitaker and the other guy barely combined for 3 YPC.  Nice to see the 4-3 again.

    I just wish our offense would wake up before the 3rd qtrs. The slow starts are devastating as they would be for any team every week.

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    Are you bragging about holding McGehee, who is a sub 3 yards a carry runner this year, to under 3 yards a carry?  What an idiot.  Tell me more about how the Pats stacked the box and that's why Jason Cambell had a field day.

     

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