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Nah that list includes practice sqaud. The 49 is total players under contract. It does not include expired contracts or free agents Spikes. Talib and the others are not included in that. If they cut 4 more they will have to replace 16 guys. Ten million is not going to sign Talib and 15 other players. Not even close. The rookies alone take up about 5 and will cut the needed players down. But that virtually leaves not much for any players they want to keep or resign. Oh and those dreaded operation cost. Also there would dead money to offset any cap savings so cutting 4 guys might only net you 5 million, not 10. I understand the fluidity but they are going to have to let go some important cogs just to get by, and that's no bueno.
The overthecap.com list doesn't include the practice squad, though it does include injured reserve guys. Of course it doesn't include players whose contracts will be expired or will be free agents after 2013: it only includes guys whose contracts continue into 2014. There are 48 of them by my count, so if all those guys were to come back, they'd just need to sign (or re-sign) a handful of other players. Yeah, with 121 million or so occupied, they couldn't sign too many high cost free agents (Talib or others). But they are almost certain to let some guys go. Cutting Gregory, Connolly, Gostkowski, and the two Wilsons would give them almost 10 million more in cap space to work with (afteraccounting for the dead money those cuts result in). Sure, they'd have to replace those positions, but they might be able to do that for much less than $10 million. Cutting Kelly (who is getting old) opens up 2.5 million in cap space after accounting for dead money. We don't know what the cap is going to be, but the Pats will almost certainly have $10 to $15 million to work with in the offseason. That could be enough to sign Talib and one or two other free agents as well as the rookies.
The only real problem the Pats have is Hernandez. He's got a very large dead money cost because he was cut at a time when the Pats clearly weren't expecting to cut him. He causes over 7 million in dead money. Take that 7 million away and the Pats are in very decent shape. With teh $7 million, they are in a tighter position than I'm sure they'd like to be, but really they are still in better shape than many teams (including the Broncos, Seahawks, and Ravens, for instance).
Exactly. The other thing is, look at the talent on this team. The starting, very good players here are all under contract. Spikes is gone. They will put their efforts towards Talib. Collins was drafted to transition away from the Spikes skill set and I like Spikes. Someone will pay him too much on the market, and it will be more than we can pay.
You won't find a lot of high priced free agents looking at attractive prices for themselves in a flat cap, because of the soft market. That is really what this is about with regards to a team's position.
So, any FA in 2013 is going to not like their options. A team like the Jets who have such awful talent, no base, so many needs, are screwed for years. Buying up a bunch of people every year never works. Swapping out a name on a jersey never works. You need a base to work from.
BB knows this. The key is this: Did you have your team built off the lockout? With us, the answer is a resounding YES. The roster will be pretty much the same next year. We'll go 12-4 or better again and it will be the same, generally speaking.
It's flat out comical to me, not only how Pezzy lies or is so stupid I can't even explain it, or he does not want to learn what is going on. He just shows himself to be an embarrasing rube with his BBWs like MT Hurl, Babe and the others. They don't get this kind of thinking. THey're not business people.
Babe fixes elevators, HUrlie bakes cakes and Pezzy does whatever he does. lmao
I don't know what you do, Prolate, but I can tell you know what you are talking about when you speak on these topics. The others are belligerent and ignorant morons.
I would rather cut Gotskowski than Tommy Kelly in 2014, too. Save a million on a kicker and keep a valuable impact player. I don't care if he is 33. I go by what I see.
The team you see here now will be very close to the one you see next year. This was done by design. If your base is built, you can let the chips start to fall at favorable, well under market prices.
That's why these CBS all signed these 1 year deals. They're rolling the dice the market will somehow be better by chance, but it won't be. I would do the same thing because you never know, but it won't be. Basically, many of these CBs would need to blow out ACLs or be arrested for felonies in the next couple of months to change the market tied to a very weak CB draft market. Likely ain't happening.
All these teenie boppers here or adults who never went to college need to wake up. Wake up and learn.
Any Pats SB trophy in the next few seasons will be raised by the people who here and who have been drafted since 2010. We don't need to race around like unprepared idiot franchises trying to sell our fans on Mike Wallace at 13 million or other overrated players who are completing duping GMs all over the place. That is what unprepared teams do. We're not unprepared. We couldn't be MORE prepared.
If the cap was raising, teams knew when and how much it would go up, sure. But, not now.
This is why it was vital you had the base of your team built through the draft off that lockout, with lower priced contracts and quality out of those players who are ascending in a system. That's what BB has done and is doing.
Anyone ovee the age of 30 this year as a FA or next year is up the creek. This is why Moss wanted his deal before the lockout. Perfect example. Even he knew it. He took a year off an then got a piddly deal from SF, and now he's done. The players who are 30 and over who are now fringe players are in trouble. They will retire or play for well under what they think their market value is.
Warnings were out. The new CBA changed the market. I laid all of this out here for the board to read in 2011 during the Lockout Debates of 2011.
You make some good points Russ. If the defense loses spikes and Talib, we are going to regress. More worried about signing Talib than anyone else. God knows we don't draft nor come across in FA many corners like Talib. He is ultra talented and totally changes our defensive backfield. Without him we are back to Arrington or ryan on the outside and that is a very big drop off.
i haven't seen anything from Collins indicating he is even half capable of replacing spikes. I have more confidence in fletcher. Without spikes the enforcer, our lb corps changes as well. I am not a huge fan of spikes because of his liability in coverage but he adds a tough shell to the middle of the defense.
Point is, the pats have built decent depth on d, but losing 2 players like that and replacing them with Collins and Ryan aren't going to cut it. See offenses woes this year to understand what I mean. The 6 year defensive rebuilding effort will be flushed down the toilet fast.