Re: Poilan(s) gets the boot
posted at 1/4/2012 1:16 PM EST
In Response to Re: Poilan(s) gets the boot
In Response to Re: Poilan(s) gets the boot : Okay and what about Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James and an offensive line that was consisently rated as one of the top pass blocking lines in the league in the early 2000's. Didn't they have something to do with Manning's statistics and victories? You've already conceded that the Colts would have won more games if Orlovsky had started the entire season. You stated previously the colts would have won 5-8 games. Yet you continue to harp on Colt's record this year as "evidence" that Manning is the most valuable player ever since the 2008 Pats went 11-5 while ignoring the obvious context. Matt Cassel /> Curtis Painter, Bill Belichick /> Jim Caldwell not to mention that the 2008 Patriots played one of the easiest schedules in recent memory. Manning is a great quarterback, but your arguments reek of the same "blind fandom" you criticize others for on this board. You claim Patriots fans always default to TB's playoff record and SB victories as well as head to head matchups in the early 2000's when arguing about Manning. Well Colt's fans always default to the Pat's defense while conveniently ignoring that Manning's supporting cast on offense was vastly superior at that time.
Posted by pcmIV
All excellent players made better by Manning, just as Brady is making his excellent receiving corps of Welker, Branch, Gronkowski, and Hernandez better. Brady is currently doing what Manning has always done, guiding HIS team to victory because HE can't fully count on the defense. For that matter, neither can Belichick (for reference: see 4th and 2).
Great QB's make the weapons around them better, but you will note that the names I listed had nary to do with the offense. They were all a part of a dominant defensive group (plus a kicker) that defined your team during your superbowl run.
I do think that the colts may have won 5-8 games with Orlovsky. I said they would do that at the beginning of the year with Collins or Painter. I was wrong, and am speculating now.
I'll accept that I suffer from fandom (although not nearly as blind as some here), but there's enough evidence to support my claims that are Manning specific to make the argument, while I again state that the pats fan will almost always trot out team wins and apply full credit to Brady as their argument.
Next someone will say, I'll bet Manning would prefer the SB's to all of the personal accolades he's received, and I'd agree, but that's not an argument against what Manning has done.