Polian "D" Formula: Rushing the Passer = Winning

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    In Response to Re: Polian "D" Formula: Rushing the Passer = Winning :  The Colts spend the majority of their cap dollars on offense so a mind like Dungys was needed to mold young defensive players.  I always thought this was a weakness of Polians as well, great defense wins championships, a great offense wins regular season games... spend some money on defense already.   
    Posted by wozzy


         Polian has spent money on core defenders Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, and Bob Sanders.
     
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    In Response to Re: Polian "D" Formula: Rushing the Passer = Winning :      Polian has spent money on core defenders Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, and Bob Sanders.
    Posted by TexasPat3


    You're very selective about which posts you respond to but let me clarify...
     
    Freeny was obviously a first round choice, Mathis 5th round choice, Gary Brackett undrafted, Sanders a safety a 2nd round draft pick....  My point of course is that the entire premise of this thread is wrong.  I come from the school that says you build your team from the inside out.  In other words BB picks Seymour, Warren and Wilfork with first overall picks because the battle is won at the line of scrimmage and D tackle means something...

    Polian says that receiver and other hype positions are more important than stopping the run.  One Super Bowl for the Colts over the past decade versus the 3 the Pats won says BB and I may be correct.  Pass rushers are a dime a dozen, if you're getting blown out like the Colts did against the Corey Dillon/Antoine Smith Patroits back in the day than your pass rushers are on the sideline or getting run over.  Undersized pass rushers are the sign of a team that has commited more resources to offense and accepts they won't be able to stop a team when it counts.
     
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    Wozz - Polian's D formula is based on his offense.  His offense is one that can get a lead, and the D is just good enough to protect it.  The pats had a legendary D for 5-6 years with a core of about 5-6 guys that is unique for any team. 

    With those guys gone - I thought Belichick actually tried the Colts method - Win with through the O and survive the D - This, imo, was evidenced by his pick ups in 07 at receiver (potential risk with Moss) and his 4th and 2 decision in 09. 
     
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    Wozz - Polian's D formula is based on his offense.  His offense is one that can get a lead, and the D is just good enough to protect it.  The pats had a legendary D for 5-6 years with a core of about 5-6 guys that is unique for any team.  With those guys gone - I thought Belichick actually tried the Colts method - Win with through the O and survive the D - This, imo, was evidenced by his pick ups in 07 at receiver (potential risk with Moss) and his 4th and 2 decision in 09. 
    Posted by underdoggg


         The Colts' philosophy is not win with the offense and survive with the "D"". Its' get a lead, and force opponents to play catch-up...getting them out of their running games...and forcing teams to play against the strength of their "D"...their pass defense. With a lead, the Indy pass-rushers can be turned loose.

         The Pats simply upgraded their WRs to take advantage of the Polian passing rules. But, their "D" got old. They didn't, and don't, have the edge-rushers to even think about mimicking the Indy approach. 
     
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         Peyton Manning underwent a "procedure" several months ago to alleviate pain resulting from a pinched nerve in his neck: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816b8303&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

         Perhaps the injury was suffered when Manning jerked his head around to watch Saints CB, Tracy Porter, return his interception for the game-clinching, 4th quarter TD, in the SB?? LOL!!

         Just how badly has this pick affected Manning's NFL legacy?: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/08/sportsline/main6186396.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BuzzBooks+(Books%3A+TheShowbuzz.com)
     
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    TP - it was actually much more embarrassing than that.  As I understand it, He wrenched his neck when he heard on ESPN the story about the asskicking the pats took from the ravens

    LOL..  
     
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    "The Colts, under Manning, have won at least 12 games seven years in a row. Yet all Manning has to show for it is one title. He's now 9-9 in the playoffs, which is about as far away from GOAT material as the Middle East is from the Colts' practice facility."

    This guy should write for the Onion.
     
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    TP - it was actually much more embarrassing than that.  As I understand it, He wrenched his neck when he heard on ESPN the story about the asskicking the pats took from the ravens LOL..  
    Posted by underdoggg


         Dog(gg):

         Perhaps it was an accumulation of all of the Manning chokes over the years that caused the pinched nerve in his neck??
     
         LOL!!!
     
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    The PAT's for all intensive purposes are in a rebuilding year,  the Colts havent experienced the extreme raping of their program that the PAT's have; coaches, players etc... everybody wants a Pats player even if they are undrafted sitting on our practice squad. 

    Our assistant coaches get poached more than any other team, how else do you explain Mangina and McDaniels getting head coaching positions at their age..?  The youngest head coaches respectively when they were hired, it's gotten to the point where BB won't give anybody a title or else they will be gone next season...  tell these rat bastards to get an original idea already... 

    We've got die hard fans like Tex Pat pumping up the opposition...  what happened to "In BB we trust?"  Tex don't believe the hype, I told these fools on the Celtic's board that the C's would get healthy and dominate and I'm telling you the same thing... Spikes and the rest are going to suprise you.  We couldnt generate a pass rush last season because we didnt have the beef up front, we will this season...
     
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    Sure pats coaches left for greener pastures while the colts coaches, by and large, did not, but both teams have lost players.  With a little effort I'd be happy to share.
     
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         Evidently, the members of the Indy OL are teed off at Bill Polian for blaming them for the SB loss to New Orleans. Judging from the reserved comments of Jeff Saturday and Ryan Diem, they realize where the blame for the loss truly belongs: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/22/another-colts-offensive-lineman-disagrees-with-polians-criticism/

         It will be interesting to see if Polian reacts to being publicly contradicted by some of his players: http://www.stampedeblue.com/2010/5/22/1482787/ryan-diem-seems-to-disagree-with 
     
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         Conspicuous by his absence is the Dog(gg). Why no commentary? Do you agree with Polian, or with Jeff Saturday and Ryan Diem? Why do you think Polian chose to throw his OL under the bus after the SB loss? Was it an attempt to shield the legacy, and fragile ego, of a certain QB?  
     
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    Indy believes in pass-rushing the QB and in quick little linebackers.  The scheme succeeds for a number of reasons:

    The league went pass-happy after Polian put the Ty Law emphasis in the NFL rule book.  That means defending against the pass is important. 

    Indy has operated a high-scoring offense.  Most running games are medium-scoring affairs, slugfests in the snow, so Indy can get away with ignoring the run a bit, especially at home in their dome.

    There are plenty of little linebackers to go around right now, because big heavy linebackers like former Patriot Adalius Thomas are the rage elsewhere.

    One compliment to pay is that Bill Belichick drafted a pass rusher, Cunningham.  BB wants a "UFO" system of near-random linebackers blitzing or dropping into coverage.  BB used to discount sacks, and he still does a bit.  He prefers to emphasize hurries, deflections and QB knockdowns.

     
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    Indy believes in pass-rushing the QB and in quick little linebackers.  The scheme succeeds for a number of reasons: The league went pass-happy after Polian put the Ty Law emphasis in the NFL rule book.  That means defending against the pass is important.  Indy has operated a high-scoring offense.  Most running games are medium-scoring affairs, slugfests in the snow, so Indy can get away with ignoring the run a bit, especially at home in their dome. There are plenty of little linebackers to go around right now, because big heavy linebackers like former Patriot Adalius Thomas are the rage elsewhere. One compliment to pay is that Bill Belichick drafted a pass rusher, Cunningham.  BB wants a "UFO" system of near-random linebackers blitzing or dropping into coverage.  BB used to discount sacks, and he still does a bit.  He prefers to emphasize hurries, deflections and QB knockdowns.  
    Posted by Paul_K


         Perhaps so, Paul. But, in order to get hurries, deflections, or knock-downs requires that pressure be applied...something that the current Patriots appear incapable of doing against the better teams.
     
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    The PAT's used to beat the Colts by power running all over them, an undersized defense is easily beat on... not exactly dominant.  Let's not look at the last couple seasons when our franchise QB was hurt and say we should have done better, if PayAton was hurt the Colt's would win 4 games... maybe.
    Posted by wozzy


    hmmm, what is our record vs. the Colts in the last 5-6 times we've faced them? Mebbe 1-5? It's been a while....
     
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    In Response to Re: Polian "D" Formula: Rushing the Passer = Winning : hmmm, what is our record vs. the Colts in the last 5-6 times we've faced them? Mebbe 1-5? It's been a while....
    Posted by BubbaInHawaii


    Have you noticed that every loss there is an excuse of this guy being hurt or the bad calls, but any victory stands on it's own merits? Seems that most of the fans on here just can't give other good teams their due, especially if they are any sort of rival.
     
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         Conspicuous by his absence is the Dog(gg). Why no commentary? Do you agree with Polian, or with Jeff Saturday and Ryan Diem? Why do you think Polian chose to throw his OL under the bus after the SB loss? Was it an attempt to shield the legacy, and fragile ego, of a certain QB?  
    Posted by TexasPat3


    I thought this was a thread about Polian's formula for winning.  In fact, I thought you posted it.  Why change the subject?  Are you trying to stir the pats faithful into the necessary froth for them to root for a very rare win against the Colts? 

    whatever it takes, right TP?
     
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    In Response to Re: Polian "D" Formula: Rushing the Passer = Winning : Have you noticed that every loss there is an excuse of this guy being hurt or the bad calls, but any victory stands on it's own merits? Seems that most of the fans on here just can't give other good teams their due, especially if they are any sort of rival.
    Posted by waldorff

    Not everyone, but that is definitely true for most. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Polian "D" Formula: Rushing the Passer = Winning : I thought this was a thread about Polian's formula for winning.  In fact, I thought you posted it.  Why change the subject?  Are you trying to stir the pats faithful into the necessary froth for them to root for a very rare win against the Colts?  whatever it takes, right TP?
    Posted by underdoggg


         You seem unafraid to voice your opinions here. So, why you are you so reluctant to discuss Polian's comments, in which he threw his OL under the bus...or the recent comments by Jeff Saturday and Ryan Diem, which contradict him?

         Do you think Polian is right...or, do you agree with Saturday and Diem? What purpose could it possibly serve Polian to alienate his OL? Do you think that he was straining to protect the legacy, or fragile ego, of his star QB?

          
     
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    I didn't say I wouldn't, but you started this thread as a Polian positive.  Are you just trying to stir the pot since you don't seem to think your pats are good?  
     
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    I didn't say I wouldn't, but you started this thread as a Polian positive.  Are you just trying to stir the pot since you don't seem to think your pats are good?  
    Posted by underdoggg


         Still waiting for your response to the Polian controversy, Dog(gg). Why are you so reluctant to voice your opinion?

         To repeat my questions to you: Polian threw his OL under the bus by blaming them for the SB loss...and Jeff Saturday and Ryan Diem recently contradicted him. 

         Do you think Polian is right...or, do you agree with Saturday and Diem? What purpose could it possibly serve Polian to alienate his OL? Do you think that, by blaming his OL, that he was straining to protect the legacy, or fragile ego, of his star QB?

          
          
     
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         See, Dog(gg)?? It wasn't too difficult for Russ to give his honest opinions on the matter. Why are you struggling so mightily with this?
     
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