Possibly 1st openly gay NFL player!

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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     

    yeah I didn't think so



    +1 it is a big deal. Especially when it comes to professional sports where it's a taboo.

     
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    Who cares! The only thing that may change is something like what Brian Billick did to Rodney Harrison - the smooch smooch thingy - that might be considered PC incorrect and gone viril. Would Goodall fine him for it? Maybe so. Would giving him - a DE- #69 be offensive?  Could be by many, huh? Do you turn down his wedding invitation? Do you buy his jersey? All eyes are upon you, today. This crap never ends and it's not the straights doing it.



    what do the straights have to gripe about? Then again white males have never had much too b*tch about but all they seem to do is b*tch



    haha .... just like on this forum, huh? now you can add Butch to b*tch and wer'e all set.

     
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    James Christensen @NEPatriotsDraft 32m

    RT @mikefreemanNFL: NFL scout texts top 5 best locker rooms for Michael Sam: Seahawks, Patriots, Green Bay, Colts, Giants.

     
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    James Christensen @NEPatriotsDraft 32m

    RT @mikefreemanNFL: NFL scout texts top 5 best locker rooms for Michael Sam: Seahawks, Patriots, Green Bay, Colts, Giants.




    interesting...why?

     
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    interesting...why?

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    no clue.. didn't specify. I'm assuming each team has the most open players led by vets who wouldn't let it become a distraction. all teams have good HCs and owners as well. just good organizations to play for

     
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    interesting...why?



    no clue.. didn't specify. I'm assuming each team has the most open players led by vets who wouldn't let it become a distraction. all teams have good HCs and owners as well. just good organizations to play for



makes sense

 
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     

    yeah I didn't think so



    +1 it is a big deal. Especially when it comes to professional sports where it's a taboo.



    Tom Brady (or any other straight player) is open about his sexuality any time he appears in public with his wife, and nobody criticizes him.  This isn't any different.  If Michael Sam can be a valuable contributor for the Patriots, we as a fanbase should welcome him as we would any other player.

     
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    Tom Brady (or any other straight player) is open about his sexuality any time he appears in public with his wife, and nobody criticizes him.  This isn't any different.  If Michael Sam can be a valuable contributor for the Patriots, we as a fanbase should welcome him as we would any other player.



    and we would no doubt. even if he didnt contribute and was a bust I dont think/hope people will blame it on his preference.

    honestly, I hope he turns into a Pro Bowler so it helps jump a huge barrier in the game. I'll be rooting for him whereever he goes honestly, just want the barrier broken

     
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    interesting...why?



    no clue.. didn't specify. I'm assuming each team has the most open players led by vets who wouldn't let it become a distraction. all teams have good HCs and owners as well. just good organizations to play for



    makes sense



  • Yeah I'd say that they are well run organizations that tend to minimize distractions--all those teams are generally all business when it comes to football.  Also, the Patriots, Giants, and Seahawks play in media markets that are generally pretty gay friendly, so that's another benefit for playing for one of those three teams.

     
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    His draft stock is going to drop tremendously...Look at Kerry Rhodes, if Im not mistaken, he's being blacklisted because of the suspicion that he's a homosexual...and Kerry Rhodes is a very good player.

    Anyone who doesn't big deal or says something like, "Why should I care who he sleeps in bed with" doesnt understand that this is actually a big deal, because of the fact it's a big deal.

    Sam is going to be the first stepping stone that gets the league to the point where this isn't considered breaking news and to the point where a players sexual orientation affects is draft stock.

    Yes, I definitely think this will drop him, both because of the media frenzy and the effect on the locker room.

    And no, he does not need to be a pro bowl player to break the barrier. In fact, I think it's more meaningful if a lesser player is still accepted, even if he is gay.

    I'll be rooting for him to succeed wherever he goes, unless it's the Jets.

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     

    yeah I didn't think so



    +1 it is a big deal. Especially when it comes to professional sports where it's a taboo.



    Tom Brady (or any other straight player) is open about his sexuality any time he appears in public with his wife, and nobody criticizes him.  This isn't any different.  If Michael Sam can be a valuable contributor for the Patriots, we as a fanbase should welcome him as we would any other player.



    You're right, we should welcome him just like anyone else but I don't like the analogy. The reason he wouldn't get criticized (Brady) is because being straight is the norm. The vast majority of the world is straight but being gay is different. They face more roadblocks than a straight person would.

     
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    His acceptance in the NFL depends on 2 things:

    1) His character (Does he have integrity, Can he be counted on, Is he a "stand up guy"?)

    2) Can he play? If he can play, people will rally around him no matter his color, religion or sexual preference.

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     

    yeah I didn't think so



    +1 it is a big deal. Especially when it comes to professional sports where it's a taboo.



    Tom Brady (or any other straight player) is open about his sexuality any time he appears in public with his wife, and nobody criticizes him.  This isn't any different.  If Michael Sam can be a valuable contributor for the Patriots, we as a fanbase should welcome him as we would any other player.



    You're right, we should welcome him just like anyone else but I don't like the analogy. The reason he wouldn't get criticized (Brady) is because being straight is the norm. The vast majority of the world is straight but being gay is different. They face more roadblocks than a straight person would.



    I never said that gay people don't face more roadblocks--they obviously do.  What I was trying to say is that it is unfortunate that people criticize Michael Sam for expressing his sexuality, and that I hope, one day, NFL players can be openly gay without it being newsworthy.

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 

     



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     yeah I didn't think so



    42AND46, Are you talking about being closeted gay or being a Giants fan on a Pats forum?

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 

     



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     yeah I didn't think so

     



    42AND46, Are you talking about being closeted gay or being a Giants fan on a Pats forum?

     



    *snicker*

     
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    I have a few thoughts on this subject: Why do people feel the need to "come out"? I never came out to my friends/family as a straight man.  If gay people are just like everyone else, why do they constantly do/say things to seperate themselves or elevate themselves above everyone else?  Does he want attention or a higher draft status? 

    Secondly, I have not seen him play, or heard him talk, but it seems since he's a CFB DE/LB it seems that he's probably not a feminine gay man, or acts like a sissy, which I applaud.  My take is that if your want to take it in the rear (which I personally don't agree with that lifestyle), at least ACT and TALK like a man.  Sorry for not being P.C. just my 2 cents. 

     
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    From Peter King MMQB

    “A team with strong leadership at coach and in the locker room, like New England, I would imagine, would be okay. … But without that strong leadership, I could see it being divisive, and I could see a team saying, ‘We don’t need this.’ ” —NFL scout

     
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    I have a few thoughts on this subject: Why do people feel the need to "come out"? I never came out to my friends/family as a straight man.  If gay people are just like everyone else, why do they constantly do/say things to seperate themselves or elevate themselves above everyone else?  Does he want attention or a higher draft status? 

    Secondly, I have not seen him play, or heard him talk, but it seems since he's a CFB DE/LB it seems that he's probably not a feminine gay man, or acts like a sissy, which I applaud.  My take is that if your want to take it in the rear (which I personally don't agree with that lifestyle), at least ACT and TALK like a man.  Sorry for not being P.C. just my 2 cents. 



    (Assuming that your are male) Did you bring your girlfriends to your home to meet your family?  Did you openly hold a girl's hand in public or kiss her in front of your mother?  If you did those sorts of things then there would be no need for you to "come out" because you were already allowing the world to see your sexual inclinations.  "Coming out" is about making a choice to live honestly and to let those around you know who you are.  A straight person has nothing to hide because their sexual inclinations are seen as the norm.  Not so much for the person who is gay.  The person who is gay is "just like everyone else".  The problem is, historically, the world around them has not seen them, or treated them that way.  They don't come out to try to elevate themselves above the straight community.  They come out in an effort to elevate themselves to the same playing field as the straight community.Cool

     
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    Anyone watch this kid play? He's pretty good...certainly no worse a talent than Cunningham was when he came out (of the draft, not the closet). I'd be surprised if this guy is still around past the 4th round, in fact I think he'd be a steal in the 4th.



    Kid has talent but he's at a weird size right now. 6'1" 260. He seems a bit to short to be a DE, a bit to light be a DT, and a bit to slow to be a LB. He's like the Sullinger of football. But the kid def has talent no doubting that. I would mind adding him at all to put in rotation with Nink. Nink getting 60% of snaps (mostly 1st and 2nds) and Sam being more of a pass rushing specialist that can drop back every so often. He'd be a DE pass rusher in 43 and spare OLB which isn't a bad thing at all. Wouldn't mind him in the 4th but not sure I'd take him over a D. Jones in the 3rd.

     
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    The fun will be if / when he gets released and the media tries to make it an issue ...

    was he released because he was a homosexual...???

    and godforbid he's called soft or sissy or more modern terms, the media would have orgasms about how the players are not in the main stream ... And dont bully him  OMG.  Would the media have a field day...

    Ill bet he ends up wishing he was in the closet with all that's coming at him after the interviews stop.

     
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    What team is going to want to take on this can of worms, even if they are the most gay loving team in the world? It will be a huge distraction.

     



    It's only a distraction if the press, and fans, makes it one.

     

    As far as I am concerned, I couldn't care less what he does in his PRIVATE life.  What matters is him being a productive player on the field for the team he is playing which would shut the fans and press up.  But, folks get distracted easily and too much by the wrong things.

     
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    What team is going to want to take on this can of worms, even if they are the most gay loving team in the world? It will be a huge distraction.

     



    It's only a distraction if the press, and fans, makes it one.

     

    As far as I am concerned, I couldn't care less what he does in his PRIVATE life.  What matters is him being a productive player on the field for the team he is playing which would shut the fans and press up.  But, folks get distracted easily and too much by the wrong things.




    Well, they will make it one.

    So, what does a GM do on draft day with a projected 4th round at best pick, expose the team to that distraction for a guy who has a 10% chance of being worth the pick?

    And I wouldn't so easily leave the players out of your list of those who may make it a distraction.

     

     
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    It's only a distraction if the press, and fans, makes it one.

     



    Since when do fans & the media (not) make it a distraction? To people who truly don't give a rat's a s s  who this kid sleeps with, there is no story.

    Unfortunately, the general public loves drama (so does this message board). The media will report the living crap out of this thing.....

    If he comes into the NFL, and plays well, the whole "gay story" becomes boring and goes away. If he comes in and plays lousy, and gets cut.....some hack in the media will make it another story. Bottom line is it's always about the drama that society continues to be starved for.

     
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    It's only a distraction if the press, and fans, makes it one.

     



    Since when do fans & the media (not) make it a distraction? To people who truly don't give a rat's a s s  who this kid sleeps with, there is no story.

    Unfortunately, the general public loves drama (so does this message board). The media will report the living crap out of this thing.....

    If he comes into the NFL, and plays well, the whole "gay story" becomes boring and goes away. If he comes in and plays lousy, and gets cut.....some hack in the media will make it another story. Bottom line is it's always about the drama that society continues to be starved for.



    The story will be focused on the fact the player is "gay" and therefore could not play in the NFL. The focus will be on the wrong thing.

     
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    Anyone watch this kid play? He's pretty good...certainly no worse a talent than Cunningham was when he came out (of the draft, not the closet). I'd be surprised if this guy is still around past the 4th round, in fact I think he'd be a steal in the 4th.



    Kid has talent but he's at a weird size right now. 6'1" 260. He seems a bit to short to be a DE, a bit to light be a DT, and a bit to slow to be a LB. He's like the Sullinger of football. But the kid def has talent no doubting that. I would mind adding him at all to put in rotation with Nink. Nink getting 60% of snaps (mostly 1st and 2nds) and Sam being more of a pass rushing specialist that can drop back every so often. He'd be a DE pass rusher in 43 and spare OLB which isn't a bad thing at all. Wouldn't mind him in the 4th but not sure I'd take him over a D. Jones in the 3rd.




    pats  could he play CB? and if no why.

     
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