Possibly 1st openly gay NFL player!

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    In response to NYC's comment:

    His acceptance in the NFL depends on 2 things:

    1) His character (Does he have integrity, Can he be counted on, Is he a "stand up guy"?)

    2) Can he play? If he can play, people will rally around him no matter his color, religion or sexual preference.



    agree-no different than any other player

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 

     



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     yeah I didn't think so

     



    42AND46, Are you talking about being closeted gay or being a Giants fan on a Pats forum?

     



    1. yes

    2. no

     
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    I have a few thoughts on this subject: Why do people feel the need to "come out"? I never came out to my friends/family as a straight man.  If gay people are just like everyone else, why do they constantly do/say things to seperate themselves or elevate themselves above everyone else?  Does he want attention or a higher draft status? 

    Secondly, I have not seen him play, or heard him talk, but it seems since he's a CFB DE/LB it seems that he's probably not a feminine gay man, or acts like a sissy, which I applaud.  My take is that if your want to take it in the rear (which I personally don't agree with that lifestyle), at least ACT and TALK like a man.  Sorry for not being P.C. just my 2 cents. 



    u dont have to come out as a straight because you have never been in ie: you are the majority and you are not discrininated against because of ur sexuality as they are

    what ur saying is like telling a black person in the pre-civil rights South don't make a big deal out of being black...

    also ur a Righty so what u say isn't even worth 2 cents on this topic

     
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    Anyone watch this kid play? He's pretty good...certainly no worse a talent than Cunningham was when he came out (of the draft, not the closet). I'd be surprised if this guy is still around past the 4th round, in fact I think he'd be a steal in the 4th.



    Kid has talent but he's at a weird size right now. 6'1" 260. He seems a bit to short to be a DE, a bit to light be a DT, and a bit to slow to be a LB. He's like the Sullinger of football. But the kid def has talent no doubting that. I would mind adding him at all to put in rotation with Nink. Nink getting 60% of snaps (mostly 1st and 2nds) and Sam being more of a pass rushing specialist that can drop back every so often. He'd be a DE pass rusher in 43 and spare OLB which isn't a bad thing at all. Wouldn't mind him in the 4th but not sure I'd take him over a D. Jones in the 3rd.




    pats  could he play CB? and if no why.



    He'd be no worse than Arrington after 7yrds so I don't see why not..... I kid 

     
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    Anyone watch this kid play? He's pretty good...certainly no worse a talent than Cunningham was when he came out (of the draft, not the closet). I'd be surprised if this guy is still around past the 4th round, in fact I think he'd be a steal in the 4th.



    Kid has talent but he's at a weird size right now. 6'1" 260. He seems a bit to short to be a DE, a bit to light be a DT, and a bit to slow to be a LB. He's like the Sullinger of football. But the kid def has talent no doubting that. I would mind adding him at all to put in rotation with Nink. Nink getting 60% of snaps (mostly 1st and 2nds) and Sam being more of a pass rushing specialist that can drop back every so often. He'd be a DE pass rusher in 43 and spare OLB which isn't a bad thing at all. Wouldn't mind him in the 4th but not sure I'd take him over a D. Jones in the 3rd.




    pats  could he play CB? and if no why.



    He'd be no worse than Arrington after 7yrds so I don't see why not..... I kid 




    great answer thanks for your insight!

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



    Are you a child, a teenager or an adult? HOw what works?  

    You're a moron if you need someone to explain to you that society unfortunately puts a gay person or any minority into a specific box, as leverage against that person to discriminate. Just pick the minority group (black, woman, gay, etc) and you'll see a tailored framework of discrimination against that group through history.

    Are you Vladimir Putin? bawhah

    THis is not difficult to understand for an adult at this point. It's silly that the person then needs to feel like they need live a way that is not how they really want to love or be.  It's ridiculous to tell someone how they should feel as a human being.

    And, whoever above called it a "preference" is ignorant/a moron.  Gay people don't sit back and decide if they prefer to be gay or not.  How stupid.  Why would you choose to make your life more difficult in a society? People are born gay, they don't just become gay one day.  lmao

    I knew my sister was gay or might be gay long before she came to terms with it and made it clear she was.   She's the same person.  

    Anyway, I applaud this kid. He has a lot of stones to do that and it will probably help a lot of other college athletes who are also in the same kind of predicament. Missouri is not the best environment to accept a gay athlete, but good for him and his teammates/coaches who see him as a person/teammate and don't discriminate.

    That guy has leader written all over him.  I don't know much about him as a player, but if he can play, he can play, black, white, gay or straight.

    Meanwhile, poor Tebow hides behind the bible.  




    Look at Russ, the frustrated minority who knows a thing of two about Missouri not being the best environment to accepting a gay guy.  

    A few tell tell's from his post. 

    You are not a white American, you cause more problems with racism then you do solutions.

    You do not believe in religion

    You are not sure how you feel about your sister being gay.

     
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    In response to 42AND46's comment:

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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     

    yeah I didn't think so



    Okay, so you are saying he needed to get it off his chest? To come out so he wouldn't have to hide? 

    PI am sure there are lots of things other pro athletes want to get off their chest. Why use football as a forum to do so? Did you feel the same way about Colt Lysterias comments on Sandy Hook? Or did you simply call him a kook? Thought so.

     
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    Who cares! The only thing that may change is something like what Brian Billick did to Rodney Harrison - the smooch smooch thingy - that might be considered PC incorrect and gone viril. Would Goodall fine him for it? Maybe so. Would giving him - a DE- #69 be offensive?  Could be by many, huh? Do you turn down his wedding invitation? Do you buy his jersey? All eyes are upon you, today. This crap never ends and it's not the straights doing it.

     

     




    what do the straights have to gripe about? Then again white males have never had much too b*tch about but all they seem to do is b*tch



    Do you suffer from white guilt? 

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



     

    oh so u know what it's like to have to hide who u really are every day of ur life? To act like u don't feel the way you do, even act the opposite to fit in? To lie in bed every nite knowing ur living a lie?

     

    yeah I didn't think so



    +1 it is a big deal. Especially when it comes to professional sports where it's a taboo.



    Tom Brady (or any other straight player) is open about his sexuality any time he appears in public with his wife, and nobody criticizes him.  This isn't any different.  If Michael Sam can be a valuable contributor for the Patriots, we as a fanbase should welcome him as we would any other player.



    Agree.

     
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    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



    Are you a child, a teenager or an adult? HOw what works?  

    You're a moron if you need someone to explain to you that society unfortunately puts a gay person or any minority into a specific box, as leverage against that person to discriminate. Just pick the minority group (black, woman, gay, etc) and you'll see a tailored framework of discrimination against that group through history.

    Are you Vladimir Putin? bawhah

    THis is not difficult to understand for an adult at this point. It's silly that the person then needs to feel like they need live a way that is not how they really want to love or be.  It's ridiculous to tell someone how they should feel as a human being.

    And, whoever above called it a "preference" is ignorant/a moron.  Gay people don't sit back and decide if they prefer to be gay or not.  How stupid.  Why would you choose to make your life more difficult in a society? People are born gay, they don't just become gay one day.  lmao

    I knew my sister was gay or might be gay long before she came to terms with it and made it clear she was.   She's the same person.  

    Anyway, I applaud this kid. He has a lot of stones to do that and it will probably help a lot of other college athletes who are also in the same kind of predicament. Missouri is not the best environment to accept a gay athlete, but good for him and his teammates/coaches who see him as a person/teammate and don't discriminate.

    That guy has leader written all over him.  I don't know much about him as a player, but if he can play, he can play, black, white, gay or straight.

    Meanwhile, poor Tebow hides behind the bible.  



    Wow, you had a great argument until your last line. I appreciate your insiders perspective.

    how is tebow and he being a religious person and different than this kid? You don't think people who believe in god and follow a religion get discriminated against? Lol. 

     

     
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    Anyone watch this kid play? He's pretty good...certainly no worse a talent than Cunningham was when he came out (of the draft, not the closet). I'd be surprised if this guy is still around past the 4th round, in fact I think he'd be a steal in the 4th.



    Kid has talent but he's at a weird size right now. 6'1" 260. He seems a bit to short to be a DE, a bit to light be a DT, and a bit to slow to be a LB. He's like the Sullinger of football. But the kid def has talent no doubting that. I would mind adding him at all to put in rotation with Nink. Nink getting 60% of snaps (mostly 1st and 2nds) and Sam being more of a pass rushing specialist that can drop back every so often. He'd be a DE pass rusher in 43 and spare OLB which isn't a bad thing at all. Wouldn't mind him in the 4th but not sure I'd take him over a D. Jones in the 3rd.




    pats  could he play CB? and if no why.



    He'd be no worse than Arrington after 7yrds so I don't see why not..... I kid 



    Sam is listed as 6-2 by most sports news outlets... others have listed at 6-3. 

     
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    I don't think Tebow is gay. I think he was raised with religion being a big part of his life. 

    I think it says a lot about the world we live in when we can't look at a "good kid" and think something is up with him. There are good people in the world, I think Tebow is one of them. Don't like him as a football player, but respect him for his beliefs and being a solid person. 

     

     
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    In response to PatsLifer's comment:

    In response to DeadAhead2's comment:

    In response to PatsLifer's comment:

    Why feel the need to come out and declare it? I don't understand why folks do this. Russ, can you please explain it to me? What is gained by doing so? 



    Are you a child, a teenager or an adult? HOw what works?  

    You're a moron if you need someone to explain to you that society unfortunately puts a gay person or any minority into a specific box, as leverage against that person to discriminate. Just pick the minority group (black, woman, gay, etc) and you'll see a tailored framework of discrimination against that group through history.

    Are you Vladimir Putin? bawhah

    THis is not difficult to understand for an adult at this point. It's silly that the person then needs to feel like they need live a way that is not how they really want to love or be.  It's ridiculous to tell someone how they should feel as a human being.

    And, whoever above called it a "preference" is ignorant/a moron.  Gay people don't sit back and decide if they prefer to be gay or not.  How stupid.  Why would you choose to make your life more difficult in a society? People are born gay, they don't just become gay one day.  lmao

    I knew my sister was gay or might be gay long before she came to terms with it and made it clear she was.   She's the same person.  

    Anyway, I applaud this kid. He has a lot of stones to do that and it will probably help a lot of other college athletes who are also in the same kind of predicament. Missouri is not the best environment to accept a gay athlete, but good for him and his teammates/coaches who see him as a person/teammate and don't discriminate.

    That guy has leader written all over him.  I don't know much about him as a player, but if he can play, he can play, black, white, gay or straight.

    Meanwhile, poor Tebow hides behind the bible.  



    Wow, you had a great argument until your last line. I appreciate your insiders perspective.

    how is tebow and he being a religious person and different than this kid? You don't think people who believe in god and follow a religion get discriminated against? Lol. 

     



    I personally feel they don't. I also feel that the religist are the quickest to scream discrimination. I am not an athestist but it is still much easier to be a Christian than even a Jew or let alone non religious. The deeply devout have become thin skinned lately because the moderately religious have become more opening accepting of others. This is very threatening if you demand religious hegemony. Discrimination for most Christians just means equal footing for nom Christians.

     
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    Here is how I look at it, i'm looking through eyes of a middle aged man.

    My dad was a bigot I am not, though I have not had many "close" gay or african american friends, I wouldnt use either against them for friendship, it was just how things were we I grew up, white hung with white, gay's were in the closet. My daughters and there friends, have no prejudice whatso ever, they have friends who are both african american and gay, they truly look past or should i say dont even see what us older generations saw. With that said, I truly believe the following.

    The younger players will have no issue with a gay man within there locker room and most likely will hang with them knowing, no competition in the strip clubs..LOL.

    Some of the older players will be shaken with it, but not like if this was 20 years ago, i'm thinking if the dude can play ball, no one will care who his dates are.

     
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    Sam is listed as 6-2 by most sports news outlets... others have listed at 6-3. 



    oh the couple I saw had him at 6'1", so most likely closer to 6'2" as you said. Still 6'2" is pretty short for a DE

     
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    His acceptance in the NFL depends on 2 things:

    1) His character (Does he have integrity, Can he be counted on, Is he a "stand up guy"?)

    2) Can he play? If he can play, people will rally around him no matter his color, religion or sexual preference.



    agree-no different than any other player



    If he's no different, then why is everybody talking about him? Of course he's different. Big time distraction for a guy with questionable ability. At least on the order of a Tebow or of Manti Te'o (that was about this time last year as I recall?). 

    You can pretend he's just another draft prospect, but it's not going to work that way. 

     
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    Well, gay or straight he's not a fit here anyway.

     
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    Well, gay or straight he's not a fit here anyway.




    Agreed, sounds to me like he is a smaller version of Jake Bequette. A one dimensional hand in the ground edge pass rusher.

     
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    I wouldnt draft him. Too much of a distraction. The circus that will follow this guy will be significantly larger than the one that followed Tebow when he first broke in.

     

     
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    I wouldnt draft him. Too much of a distraction. The circus that will follow this guy will be significantly larger than the one that followed Tebow when he first broke in.

     




    Well exactly...was there anything worse than the Tebow crap everyday? And I hate to beat a dead horse but I will never understand why Tebow was brought here.....

     
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    Anyone watch this kid play? He's pretty good...certainly no worse a talent than Cunningham was when he came out (of the draft, not the closet). I'd be surprised if this guy is still around past the 4th round, in fact I think he'd be a steal in the 4th.



    Kid has talent but he's at a weird size right now. 6'1" 260. He seems a bit to short to be a DE, a bit to light be a DT, and a bit to slow to be a LB. He's like the Sullinger of football. But the kid def has talent no doubting that. I would mind adding him at all to put in rotation with Nink. Nink getting 60% of snaps (mostly 1st and 2nds) and Sam being more of a pass rushing specialist that can drop back every so often. He'd be a DE pass rusher in 43 and spare OLB which isn't a bad thing at all. Wouldn't mind him in the 4th but not sure I'd take him over a D. Jones in the 3rd.




    I've only watched two games of him, he is certainly not an ideal defensive end in terms of size, but look at nink, I really can't believe he is playing that spot in a BB defense. Sam looks like he has long arms and I didn't notice him getting blown off the ball like you'd expect from a smaller guy....is it just me, or are there more and more of these smaller types playing end now?

    I haven't seen him play linebacker, that's where a lot of these tweener types fail and find themselves out of the league in a couple of years

     
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