Post Draft Blues

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    TP, please don't insult the English language by your useage of the word 'objectivity'.  You've been repeatedly challenged to explain how you can possibly know what round a player would have been selected and you've yet to respond to that challenge other than by repeating the same speculative and highly subjective mantra:  "BB squandered that pick."

     
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    This doesn't even take into account last years haul.

     

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/decade-the-making-the-ultimate-nfl-draft-grades/2419/


    That CHFF piece has been thoroughly discredited here in the past.

     




    By whom?  Simply because you don't like the facts presented in an objective and highly credible analysis doesn't equate to it being 'discredited.'  If you've got another equally credible analysis that disputes what is presented in the link let's see it.

     

     




    Why do you fashion the peice as credible in the first place? Comey is nothing more than a small time blogger. He admits a far more recognized expert than himself disagrees with him. His criteria is full of holes. Make a case that this is not so if you like.



    Absence of a credible refutation noted.

     
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    TP, please don't insult the English language by your useage of the word 'objectivity'.  You've been repeatedly challenged to explain how you can possibly know what round a player would have been selected and you've yet to respond to that challenge other than by repeating the same speculative and highly subjective mantra:  "BB squandered that pick."

    Numerous experts have attested to the prospect that certain picks would have come much later. Do you question such estimations at every juncture, or just when they pertain to BB? 



    Every juncture, regardless of which team made the pick, unless the 'expert' has direct insider information.  The Mel Kipers of the world can't possibly know what goes on in 32 war rooms across the league. 

     
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    TP, please don't insult the English language by your useage of the word 'objectivity'.  You've been repeatedly challenged to explain how you can possibly know what round a player would have been selected and you've yet to respond to that challenge other than by repeating the same speculative and highly subjective mantra:  "BB squandered that pick."

    RESPONSE: It's my opinion...and, I might add, it's the consensus opinion!! Prior to a draft, mock drafts are run by the pro teams in order to get a feel as to who will be available to their team, in each round. Last year, the excuse that the Pats used to take Tavon Wilson at #48 was that San Diego allegedly wanted him at #49. We don't know if that's true. This year, I've heard nothing about any other team being even remotely interested in Harmon! In any event, who cares whether some other team would have taken him? The Patriots, in my opinion, had better options at #91, then taking a flier on a safety, who might add depth, and contribute on special teams.   




     
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    its funny.  Most of you guys trash me for being a colts fan and pointing out some of the fallacies of your fandom (which I have as well - and you point them out to me), but does anyone on this board trash the pats more than TexasPat who actually attempts to pose as a pats fan?

    Having an honest perspective is one thing.  That's the angle most of my criticisms come from.  TP rarely (and I think that's being generous) has a positive thing to say about the pats.  That tells me his positions are less than honest on a regular basis. 



    RESPONSE: Well, well, well, well...what have we here? Little puppy dog has come to play. I must confess Dog(ggggg), that I'm touched by your deep concern for our Patriot fans here, regarding my alleged negativity...whereby, according to you,  seldom is heard an encouraging word from me, on the New England Patriots.  

         That aside...as we here understand, in the weeks and months leading up to the draft, misinformation and even lies are doled out by teams, to throw other teams off on certain players. Character issues are embellished, and rumors of injuries...true or not, are sometimes spread.

         In this regard, I wish to congratulate you for being hired by the Indianapolis Colts as the Director of Misinformation (DIM) for the 2013 NFL Draft. Your job description was to spread lies and misinformation on certain players that the Colts were interested in. My understanding is that certain Colts fans who visit this forum took note of your years of contributions here...in which you have consistently lied and misinformed. This led them to recommend you to Colts management for that position.

         Well done, my friend. If ever you need a reference to further verify these skills for next years' DIM position, I shall be happy to endorse you!

         Adios, Pinocchio...LOL!!!!! 

     
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    This doesn't even take into account last years haul.

     

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/decade-the-making-the-ultimate-nfl-draft-grades/2419/


    That CHFF piece has been thoroughly discredited here in the past.

     




    By whom?  Simply because you don't like the facts presented in an objective and highly credible analysis doesn't equate to it being 'discredited.'  If you've got another equally credible analysis that disputes what is presented in the link let's see it.

     

     




    Why do you fashion the peice as credible in the first place? Comey is nothing more than a small time blogger. He admits a far more recognized expert than himself disagrees with him. His criteria is full of holes. Make a case that this is not so if you like.

     



    Absence of a credible refutation noted.

     

     



    I've already pointed out the author as nobody with any high level credibility whatsoever, but that seems to mean little or nothing to you.

     


    If you want a specific.....

    His first measure is "pro bowlers". By his criteria Ed Reed, a 9 time pro-bowler and 5 time all-pro counts no more than a Brandon Meriweather.

    You consider that credible?

    I can provide you more if you like. But you really don't care about that, do you? You just want to embrace anything that makes BB look like the hero you have fashioned him in your mind no matter how flimsy the evidence.

     




    You've yet to provide an objective authoritative source that refutes the coldhardfootballfacts piece and yes I do consider the author credible.  All that you've ever done with respect to this piece is repackage the same response that provides nothing but your own subjective criteria.

     
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    TP, please don't insult the English language by your useage of the word 'objectivity'.  You've been repeatedly challenged to explain how you can possibly know what round a player would have been selected and you've yet to respond to that challenge other than by repeating the same speculative and highly subjective mantra:  "BB squandered that pick."

    RESPONSE: It's my opinion...and, I might add, it's the consensus opinion!! Prior to a draft, mock drafts are run by the pro teams in order to get a feel as to who will be available to their team, in each round. Last year, the excuse that the Pats used to take Tavon Wilson at #48 was that San Diego allegedly wanted him at #49. We don't know if that's true. This year, I've heard nothing about any other team being even remotely interested in Harmon! In any event, who cares whether some other team would have taken him? The Patriots, in my opinion, had better options at #91, then taking a flier on a safety, who might add depth, and contribute on special teams.   



    Ah, so it's your opinion, got it. So you acknowledge that you don't know that Harmon could have been chosen later, got it. And you've heard nothing about any other team being interested in Harmon, got it.  And you think that there were players better suited for Belichick's system than the one Belichick chose; got it.  I guess that pretty much sums it up: Belichick didn't draft per TP's criteria therefore his second pick in the third round was 'absurd.'

    Get off it, TP.  Disagree with how the Pats drafted; that's your right as a fan.  But don't even think about suggesting that you know more about how it should be done than does Belichick.  That's just plain silly.

     
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    TP, please don't insult the English language by your useage of the word 'objectivity'.  You've been repeatedly challenged to explain how you can possibly know what round a player would have been selected and you've yet to respond to that challenge other than by repeating the same speculative and highly subjective mantra:  "BB squandered that pick."

    RESPONSE: It's my opinion...and, I might add, it's the consensus opinion!! Prior to a draft, mock drafts are run by the pro teams in order to get a feel as to who will be available to their team, in each round. Last year, the excuse that the Pats used to take Tavon Wilson at #48 was that San Diego allegedly wanted him at #49. We don't know if that's true. This year, I've heard nothing about any other team being even remotely interested in Harmon! In any event, who cares whether some other team would have taken him? The Patriots, in my opinion, had better options at #91, then taking a flier on a safety, who might add depth, and contribute on special teams.   

    Ah, so it's your opinion, got it. So you acknowledge that you don't know that Harmon could have been chosen later, got it.

    RESPONSE: So...I take it that you fully support the Harmon pick, right? Why?

    And you've heard nothing about any other team being interested in Harmon, got it.

    RESPONSE: So...I understand that you understand what I said...got it. Have you heard anything to the contrary?

    And you think that there were players better suited for Belichick's system than the one Belichick chose; got it.

    RESPONSE: If you have bothered to read my previous posts, I've listed several players who were, in my opinion...and the opinion of every draft analyst I heard from (including Mike Reiss), and every draft publication I've read (OurLads, Kiper, and ProFootball Weekly)...that there were more talented players available, based on their body of work in college, than Harmon. Do you agree with that or disagree?

    I was also of the opinion that, at #91, and with QBs Matt Barkley and Ryan Nassib available, that the Pats should have taken a flier on one of them...rather than take a low rated safety, who would likely be available much later, or go undrafted...and who would be nothing more than a reserve, and/or special teams fodder. Got it? 

     I guess that pretty much sums it up: Belichick didn't draft per TP's criteria therefore his second pick in the third round was 'absurd.

    RESPONSE: "In Bill We Trust". Got it.  

    Get off it, TP.  Disagree with how the Pats drafted; that's your right as a fan.  But don't even think about suggesting that you know more about how it should be done than does Belichick.  That's just plain silly.

    RESPONSE: Thank you, Mr. Homer. How dare I question a BB decision? That's plain silly! Got it!!

     




     

     
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         Where is our hero...the Colts' fan who cares more about the feelings of Patriots' fans than they themselves do? Of course, I'm referring that well known bringer of lies and misinformation...UD6, a/k/a "The Dog(ggggg)", a/k/a Pinocchio.

         LOL!!!!  

     
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    TP, please don't insult the English language by your useage of the word 'objectivity'.  You've been repeatedly challenged to explain how you can possibly know what round a player would have been selected and you've yet to respond to that challenge other than by repeating the same speculative and highly subjective mantra:  "BB squandered that pick."

    RESPONSE: It's my opinion...and, I might add, it's the consensus opinion!! Prior to a draft, mock drafts are run by the pro teams in order to get a feel as to who will be available to their team, in each round. Last year, the excuse that the Pats used to take Tavon Wilson at #48 was that San Diego allegedly wanted him at #49. We don't know if that's true. This year, I've heard nothing about any other team being even remotely interested in Harmon! In any event, who cares whether some other team would have taken him? The Patriots, in my opinion, had better options at #91, then taking a flier on a safety, who might add depth, and contribute on special teams.   

     




     


    Yeah but TP, your opinion counts less than mine and I'm ok with that Harmon pick.

     
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    Seventeen misses on top 100 picks over the past seven years is far too many.  


    Truly a dreadful record there, and the deciding factor that brings his overall work as a GM into the ordinary. A reasonable man can not deny this.


         Kentucky Babe...as you can tell from his rude and dogmatic posts above, and from your own dealings with him, reasoning is foreign to large mouth Bass. Therefore, he'll never admit that BB has a poor drafting history. According to large mouth, the last three BB drafts were "A+" drafts!

         Time once again to dust off that splendid definition you gave in another thread of  "homerism":

    "Homerism is a term that describes blind loyalty to a degree that objectivity is not possible."

         LOL!!!!  



    Funny, that "homerism definition is the exact same definition for a "fan". More proof that you are not a fan of the Pats.

     
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    Harmon was NOT a value pick, as BB always prides himself in making.  However, a gamble with a late 3rd round pick isn't as bad as a gamble in the 1st round where BB has had a pretty strong track record.   So, there is that.

    By most accounts, this draft was deep all the way through the first 3 rounds and even into the 4th round.  Many felt there was little talent separation between many 1st rounders and 3rd rounders.  The Pats had 5 selections (granted one was Harmon) in the top 102, most of any team.  So following this logic, the Pats did okay in the draft.

    I admit I wasn't very knowledgeable about Collins but now that I've had time, I think he could be a very solid player and his selection, and subsequent selections, makes me think we could be returning to the 3-4.  Dobson and Boyce have real shots at becoming stars, especially with Brady throwing them the ball.  Buchannan and Beauharnais are great value picks in the 7th as they were talented enough to go in the 4-5th rounds.  BB has been very successful in the 7th round which makes up for his shortcomings in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

    Logan Ryan will compete for that 4th or 5th CB spot and could surplant Dowling, if Dowling has another injury.  So, I like our picks except for Harmon AND I am particularily excited about the UDFAs we got.  Typically one makes the team and contributes each year; Boldin, Fletcher, BJGE, etc.  This year we could see 3-4 UDFA make the team (PS included).  I am very high on TJ Moe, Elvis Fisher, Chris McDonald and Punter Allen could stick if he's close to Mesko for financial considerations. 

     

     
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    Seventeen misses on top 100 picks over the past seven years is far too many.  


    Truly a dreadful record there, and the deciding factor that brings his overall work as a GM into the ordinary. A reasonable man can not deny this.


         Funny, that "homerism definition is the exact same definition for a "fan". More proof that you are not a fan of the Pats.



         Yeah, yeah...In Bill We Trust...LOL!!! Whatever, you blind homer.

         Believe it or not...I was once an "In Bill We Trust" guy, two. But, after the 2006 Chad Jackson disaster, the 2008 draft, in which Bill selected an injured CB, Terrence Wheatley, and Shawn "Betty Grable" Crable...I began to somewhat question. The final straw for me came with the 2009 draft...with the Patrick Chung selection at #34...and the subsequent disasters named Brace and Butler.  I can remember catching the same heat from homers like you then, too...when I question the choice, because I didn't feel that Chung could cover. At that point, BB no longer got a pass from me. My trust in Bill was gone...regarding his ability to select talent in the draft.

         Fortunately, since then, he has done better. The 2010 draft netted Gronk, McCourty, Spikes, Hernandez, and Mesko. In 2011, BB made the right choice at #17 with Solder. But, the draft was marred by the Ras-I Dowling pick at #33. In the 2012 draft, just as I was beginning to feel a bit better about Bill's judgment, he pulled the Tavon Wilson fiasco, with the 48th overall pick.

         All the whines about how Harmon "fits BB's system", and is therefore somehow worthy of the 91st overall pick, is a bunch of horse dump. It's just a way of giving BB another pass. I suppose that the same "fits the system" tag also applied to Brandon Meriweather, Terrence Wheatley, Darius Butler, atrick Chung, and Ras-I Dowling selections, too.  Sorry...far too many misses.    

         But, be my guest, rtuinila. If you wish to continue to worship at the "In Bill We Trust" altar...knock yourself out.

         In closing, you claim that I'm not a Pats' fan because I am at times critical of BB's draft selections. Quite the contrary, I criticize Bill, and spend so much time doing so, because I am a fan...a frustrated one...who badly wants to see the Patriots win another championship.

     
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    This doesn't even take into account last years haul.

     

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/decade-the-making-the-ultimate-nfl-draft-grades/2419/


    That CHFF piece has been thoroughly discredited here in the past.

     




    By whom?  Simply because you don't like the facts presented in an objective and highly credible analysis doesn't equate to it being 'discredited.'  If you've got another equally credible analysis that disputes what is presented in the link let's see it.

     

     




    Why do you fashion the peice as credible in the first place? Comey is nothing more than a small time blogger. He admits a far more recognized expert than himself disagrees with him. His criteria is full of holes. Make a case that this is not so if you like.

     



    Absence of a credible refutation noted.

     

     



    I've already pointed out the author as nobody with any high level credibility whatsoever, but that seems to mean little or nothing to you.

     


    If you want a specific.....

    His first measure is "pro bowlers". By his criteria Ed Reed, a 9 time pro-bowler and 5 time all-pro counts no more than a Brandon Meriweather.

    You consider that credible?

    I can provide you more if you like. But you really don't care about that, do you? You just want to embrace anything that makes BB look like the hero you have fashioned him in your mind no matter how flimsy the evidence.

     

     




    You've yet to provide an objective authoritative source that refutes the coldhardfootballfacts piece and yes I do consider the author credible.  All that you've ever done with respect to this piece is repackage the same response that provides nothing but your own subjective criteria.

     

     




    Ah, no.

     

    Pointing out that giving Reed who has provable superiority to Meriweather the same influence on his measuring stick is the epitome of objectivity.

    And pointing out that the author is not in any way capable of being construed as an expert of any sort on the matter is also using objectivity.

    If you want to just say things that are dead wrong and call them facts then let the reader beware.

    Obviously you have no interest in a serious discussion of the merits of the piece in question but rather simply want to rubber stamp it because it suits your agenda.



    Seriously, Babe, I'd enjoy discussing the matter with you.  I responded to your claim, made in absolute terms, that the coldhard piece had been refuted on here, by asking by whom and in what objective analysis.  And you have yet to provide that analysis.  Your responses are confined to your own opinions.  And if that's your refutation, ok; it's neither objective nor analytical but ok.  If you've got an independent link then I'm happy to look at it an respond otherwise I simply disagree that the coldhard piece has been refuted.

     
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    TP, please don't insult the English language by your useage of the word 'objectivity'.  You've been repeatedly challenged to explain how you can possibly know what round a player would have been selected and you've yet to respond to that challenge other than by repeating the same speculative and highly subjective mantra:  "BB squandered that pick."

    RESPONSE: It's my opinion...and, I might add, it's the consensus opinion!! Prior to a draft, mock drafts are run by the pro teams in order to get a feel as to who will be available to their team, in each round. Last year, the excuse that the Pats used to take Tavon Wilson at #48 was that San Diego allegedly wanted him at #49. We don't know if that's true. This year, I've heard nothing about any other team being even remotely interested in Harmon! In any event, who cares whether some other team would have taken him? The Patriots, in my opinion, had better options at #91, then taking a flier on a safety, who might add depth, and contribute on special teams.   

    Ah, so it's your opinion, got it. So you acknowledge that you don't know that Harmon could have been chosen later, got it.

    RESPONSE: So...I take it that you fully support the Harmon pick, right? Why?

    And you've heard nothing about any other team being interested in Harmon, got it.

    RESPONSE: So...I understand that you understand what I said...got it. Have you heard anything to the contrary?

    And you think that there were players better suited for Belichick's system than the one Belichick chose; got it.

    RESPONSE: If you have bothered to read my previous posts, I've listed several players who were, in my opinion...and the opinion of every draft analyst I heard from (including Mike Reiss), and every draft publication I've read (OurLads, Kiper, and ProFootball Weekly)...that there were more talented players available, based on their body of work in college, than Harmon. Do you agree with that or disagree?

    I was also of the opinion that, at #91, and with QBs Matt Barkley and Ryan Nassib available, that the Pats should have taken a flier on one of them...rather than take a low rated safety, who would likely be available much later, or go undrafted...and who would be nothing more than a reserve, and/or special teams fodder. Got it? 

     I guess that pretty much sums it up: Belichick didn't draft per TP's criteria therefore his second pick in the third round was 'absurd.

    RESPONSE: "In Bill We Trust". Got it.  

    Get off it, TP.  Disagree with how the Pats drafted; that's your right as a fan.  But don't even think about suggesting that you know more about how it should be done than does Belichick.  That's just plain silly.

    RESPONSE: Thank you, Mr. Homer. How dare I question a BB decision? That's plain silly! Got it!! 



    TP, please.  I've repeatedly said that as a fan you should feel free to challenge and question anything BB does.  But to take it to the point where you are taking the analysis of talking heads and concluding that BB squandered a pick because they must know more than him simply doesn't pass the common sense test.

     
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    TP, please.  I've repeatedly said that as a fan you should feel free to challenge and question anything BB does.  But to take it to the point where you are taking the analysis of talking heads and concluding that BB squandered a pick because they must know more than him simply doesn't pass the common sense test.

     




    You are wasting your time responding to this little cry baby. He clearly thinks that he knows more than BB just because he reads a bunch of draft articles by the "supposed" experts. TP would probably cry & whine if he won the lottery because someone didn't do it his way. He is a fraud fan. I actually used to like his weekly grades for the games, until I figured out a while back that this guy will NEVER be happy.....EVER. So let him fester in his little pool of misery, while the rest of us homers actually enjoy this whole process.

     
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    TP, please.  I've repeatedly said that as a fan you should feel free to challenge and question anything BB does.  But to take it to the point where you are taking the analysis of talking heads and concluding that BB squandered a pick because they must know more than him simply doesn't pass the common sense test.

     

     




    You are wasting your time responding to this little cry baby. He clearly thinks that he knows more than BB just because he reads a bunch of draft articles by the "supposed" experts. TP would probably cry & whine if he won the lottery because someone didn't do it his way. He is a fraud fan. I actually used to like his weekly grades for the games, until I figured out a while back that this guy will NEVER be happy.....EVER. So let him fester in his little pool of misery, while the rest of us homers actually enjoy this whole process.

     

     



    Great post.

     

    Why do you attack me, though?   Serious question. You and I seem to agree on who the trolls are and the obvious agendas, but then you attack me.  Odd.

     




    Rusty....I think you are knowledgable on many football things...although I don't agree with everything you say...which is fine.

    The one thing that pisses me off about you is the (need) to argue with the same people about the same stuff ruining many threads here. You seem to have this same "need" to win an argument no matter what it takes...name calling...whatever. It just gets old.

    Who cares who wins the argument between you and Babe or Kkarp or whoever...it just doesn't matter....but for some reason, you resort to the name calling BS...and people are tired of it. Who cares who started it. State the facts you have...and move on.

    For example...I call out TP on this thread because he sounds like a complete miserable whiner when it comes to a couple picks that don't go his way. He sounds like a spoiled little baby. You sound the same with some of the arguments that you get into with many here. You don't need to get into the pissing contest to get your point across....whether people agree with it or not.

     

     
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    The problem with some of the people on this board is that they always have to sound like everything is so extreme.....pure black & white.

    If TP had come out and said, "I really was hoping for a different pick, but let's see how this one works out"...he probably wouldn't have been called out by anyone.

    He chooses to be dramatic, and make it look like the sky is falling over one pick that he didn't like.

    This is football....we all will disagree on certain things. But at the end of the day, how much does all this stuff really matter? Compared to family, work, etc....football really doesn't mean squat. I never lose sleep over it...and never will. It's a sport...not a life.

    Just wish others wouldn't make these arguments here seem like it's the most important thing intheir lives.....just a little perspective....

     
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