Prepare yourself now, BB wont use either of his 1st round picks

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    The Patriots' draft board probably bears only a superficial similarity to the sports pundits' mock drafts.  I don't pretend to know who's hot (although I usually have an opinion of who's not).  However, if a top 15 player like Walrus Wilfork is hanging at 21, BB will want him and won't care what kind of trades the other teams offer.  If no particular glaring value appears, BB will be happy to trade down a bit at a small profit.

    What Trader Bill has learned over the years is that a small trade down gives you a pick 2 or 3 slots lower.  I assume that a small profit will be made on the original trade, but then Trader immediately gets a second bite at the apple.  BB would trade down from #31 to #33 to #36 to #38 to #41 if four suckers appeared in order, and if the Patriots board had nothing much worth picking.  Later on, two or three of the picks could be combined to jump back up the board a bit in the third and fourth rounds.  I'm just going by past experience.
     
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    Wow! you sure got me. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about because I got  Mark Anderson and Andre Carter mixed up. Two scrap-heap players that played about 24 games for the Pats between the two of them.

    I guess it's my fault for not being clear enough. My issue was with the defense. Yes, Bill had done a pretty good job on offense. Without looking I would guess he uses far more high draft picks on offense but I could be wrong. But my point still stands. There are almost no impact players on defense drafted by Bill.

    Ty Warren- didn't include him because I forgot he was drafted so high. Took him a while to get going. But he developed into a pretty good player, Then when he got hurt a couple of times, Bill cut him.

    I forgot Merriweather also. A lot of people would call him a bust. But at least Bill took a chance in the first round. That's all I'm asking for. Take a swing. I'm tired of ignoring positions of need and throwing picks away.

    If there's anybody else I missed on defense feel free to correct me. Until then I stand by my point that, for the most part, Bill's draft have been awful defensively.

    Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about. In addition to the above, the Pats have the 27th, 31st, 48th, and 63rd picks with which to continue to build their defending AFC championship team.

    Are you serious? In all likelihood, he will trade the two first rounders and/or waste the other picks on offense. And you are in complete denial if you think that the Pats are legit AFC Champs. They got to play Denver in round one. Drew the Ravens in round two. Who are about as mentally tough as the Chargers. And had that chip shot game tying field goal not sailed wide, we probably would have lost that game too. Tell me you feel confident about our chances in over time with that D on the field. Especially after what you saw in the Superbowl against a .500 team.

    Thomas and Colvin were mistakes. But let's not act like that's something Bill routinely does. The list of expensive defensive free agents he's brought in here ends with those two.There is no number three.

    Anderson is the perfect example of what Bill does that's so frustrating. Year after year he throws a truckload of garbage against the wall to see what will stick. 90% of these players end up being useless. Then you get one that wildly exceeds expectations. And he just lets him walk. A guy that has proven he can fit into the system and help the team- at a position we are very weak at. It's insane.

     Do you really believe that the Bills are a better team than the Patriots?

    Not now. Not in April. It's way too early to tell. But they are shaping up to be a nightmare matchup for us. Especially if our defense doesn't improve.

    RESPONSE: In 2006, 2007, and 2011 the Pats came about as close to winning another title as a team can, without actually pulling it off.

    No they didn't. It's fool's gold. In 2006 they lost because Bill (as he likes to do) left a gaping hole at a skill position. I'll give you 2007. They were a legit contender and should have won  it. They flat out choked in a huge way. But that was four years ago. And their defense has become progressively worse each year since

    Criticize if you like...but BB has managed to keep the team on top.

    On top of what? Since 2004 they have lost playoff games to the Broncos and softy Colts. They lost two Superbowls to two of the most mediocre teams to ever play in a Superbowl. They have failed to get out of round one of the playoffs twice and missed the playoffs completely.

    Yes, they win 12 -14 games every year. So what? The fact is they don't have the talent defensively to win when it matters most. The value system is not working. And the results prove it. You can stomp your feet and call names like a three year old if you want. But it's not going to change anything.

    It's time for Bill to admit that what he's doing is not working and start operating with a greater sense of urgency and far less ego and self interest.
     
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    Roll the Dice, the draft is a crap shoot. The only BB draft regret I have is not getting Clay Mathews when Bill traded down or correct me if I'm wrong. And I'm sure somebody will. So we shall all be be prepared when he trades the No. 27 for 2 seconds next year, or a third second this year or a combinaton of the trades he will do is beyond what anybody including Mel Kiper can phathom. Any impact player on D will be gone by 27 do you think we could get Hightower at 31.                      Then in Billl we trust 
     
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    I have been as big a criticizer as anyone about bb's success in the draft, especially on defense, and especially since 2006. However, there is a method to his madness. Although he makes most of us cringe on draft day by trading down, out or seemingly selecting a player we don't know much about, he stays true to what he believes a players true value is, and doesn't get wrapped up in the emotion of it all. When you combine what he has done during the draft with what he has done in FA, BB the gm is among the leagues elite here. No questions. Yes, he has whiffed a ton on defense since 2006, especially with his round 1-3 picks, but he has also added a good, young base of talent on the defense to continue to build around. The challenge is defenses cannot be rebuilt on the fly, with a team continuing to win....but, this is exactly what BB has done. My only true beef with what he has done as a gm was probably waiting just a tad too long to start the rebuilding process on defense in full force. The 2006 AFC championship game was proof of that. He has also "wasted" a number of top picks on defense, but that happens. His success rate drafting is still high. I think his defensive whiffs are magnified because he has made more picks in rounds 1-3 than any team since 2006.
     
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    Lower picks might not be that easy to trade with the rookie wage scale. Look at the Ras I pick... If any pick BB has ever had that was the pick I would have bet my house on that would be traded away. He even had a whole night to shop it.

    Edit:  if we're going to trade picks please be with Miami.
     
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    bb may want to trade of bouth first rounders, but it may be difficult to find partners for the trade, unless he's willing to take 2014 first rounders. at least it will be difficult to find partners who will land him picks between 31 and 48. i think the best value is between 34 and 42. before bounty-gate, i thought saints could be takers for one of the 1st rounders. but now, i am not sure they even have the 2012 or 2013 chips to play the trade game. even before bountygate, saints' pick is after 48 anyway. oakland overpaid for their qb. there's another team out of chips to buy a higher pick. atlanta might be possible but their second roudner is after 48. cle, min are already in perfect spots to get their backup QBs. was and dal maybe. but then they're also in a weird spot. my guess is they also want trade their high picks for more picks as their cap situation will tie their hands from signing expensive FAs. the next set of potential partners are mia and buf. i don't see in-div trade as likely to happen.  looks like a lot of people will be happy that nwe will be forced to pick at 27 and 31. the question is if people will be happy with who bb picks.
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    Excellent points! Thanks for taking the time to break down potential partners, I hadn't thought that far ahead.
     
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    I agree with almost everything df5 had to say. Especially the part that BB has taken the fun and excitement out of the draft. I don't have the number handy but how many times has BB traded down and got us 2 first round picks only to trade down again and get 2 first round picks for the next yr. It's ridiculous really. I've said it all along, if there is a concensus on a guy that he's going to be good, BB won't get close to picking him. If he's iffy or never been heard of by most, he'll take him so he can get the credit of finding the diamond in the rough. How many TE does a team have to draft? how many 6 and 7 round DB and DL must he try before one sticks. Why not take some pride in defense around here for once. I love having a great offense, but it would be fun to stop someone when we needed to for once 
     
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    For all of you criticizing the 2009 and 2010 defensive drafts go back and look and tell me besides Clay Matthews which defensive player you would have drafted where the Patriots picked.  I'm even giving you the ability to judge these players on what they've done at the NFL level.  Go ahead and name me the defensive superstars you would have drafted those seasons.  Connor Barwin is probably the best name on the list.  You people who criticize BB act like there are all these defensive superstars he refuses to draft, but name them.  Other than Clay Matthews there is nobody that would have been there at the Patriots pick that would qualify as a game changing player.
     
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    I agree with almost everything df5 had to say. Especially the part that BB has taken the fun and excitement out of the draft. I don't have the number handy but how many times has BB traded down and got us 2 first round picks only to trade down again and get 2 first round picks for the next yr. It's ridiculous really. I've said it all along, if there is a concensus on a guy that he's going to be good, BB won't get close to picking him. If he's iffy or never been heard of by most, he'll take him so he can get the credit of finding the diamond in the rough. How many TE does a team have to draft? how many 6 and 7 round DB and DL must he try before one sticks. Why not take some pride in defense around here for once. I love having a great offense, but it would be fun to stop someone when we needed to for once 
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    I do agree that watching the draft now that BB is GM is really not much fun.

    However, I definitely disagree with your comments about the Tight ends. Belichick is almost always a couple of what is going to happen in the league. He was trying to create a deadly two TE combo that he knew would create matchup nightmares for teams. No one would argue that they have the best TE in the league & maybe the 3-4th best TE in the league. I can't ever recall any team having a pair of TE's this talented on the same team and both being so young.  

    So point being, this is not an exact science. Every GM misses on some players and hits on others. If you're going to be critical of a miss on Clay Matthews, you need to give credit to creating one of the most deadly TE combo's in the history of the NFL and doing it in the same draft.

    One other point. It seems to me since Pioli left the Pat's drafts have been  better from top to bottom. Now we really don't know if BB is the reason why or is it the new top draft guy. I can't recall his name.

    2011 Picks:

    1st Round – Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
    2nd Round – Ras-I Dowling, DB, Virginia
    2nd Round – Shane Vereen, RB, Cal
    3rd Round – Stevan Ridley, RB, LSU
    3rd Round – Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
    5th Round – Marcus Cannon, OL, TCU
    5th Round – Lee Smith, TE, Marshall
    6th Round – Markell Carter, OLB, Central Arkansas
    7th Round – Malcolm Williams, CB, Marshall

    1st Round (27th Overall) – Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
    2nd Round (42nd Overall) – Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona
    2nd Round (53rd Overall) – Jermaine Cunningham, OLB, Florida
    2nd Round (62nd Overall) – Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida
    3rd Round (90th Overall) – Taylor Price, WR, Ohio
    4th Round (113th Overall) – Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida
    5th Round (150th Overall) – Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
    6th Round (205th Overall) – Ted Larsen, C, NC State
    7th Round (208th Overall) – Thomas Welch, OT, Vanderbilt
    7th Round (247th Overall) – Brandon Deaderick, DL, Alabama
    7th Round (248th Overall) – Kade Weston, DL, Georgia
    7th Round (250th OVerall) – Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma State

    Last 2 Years with Pioli as GM:

    2a Pat Chung, SS, Oregon
    2b Ron Brace, DT, Boston College
    2c Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut
    2d Sebastian Vollmer, OL, Houston
    3a Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina
    3b Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida
    4 Rich Ohrnberger, OL, Penn State
    5 George Bussey, OL, Louisville
    6a Jake Ingram, LS, Hawaii
    6b Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
    7a Julian Edelman, WR, Kent State
    7b Darryl Richard, DT, Georgia Tech

    1 Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee
    2 Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
    3a Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
    3b Kevin O’Connell, QB, San Diego State
    4 Jonathan Wilhite, CB, Auburn
    5 Matt Slater, KR, UCLA
    6 Bo Ruud, ILB, Nebraska




     
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    hey guys:

    I just heard about some things that were passed at the meetings in FL:

    1.  The Patriots must participate in a play in for the playoffs:  They must play, in their prime, the 70s Steelers, the 80s 49ers and the 90s Cowboys, with the 85 Bears thrown in as a wild card. The Pats must then play only the two best teams in the NFL, regardless of conference, for their AFC championship to be considered legitimate
    2.  They must win each of those games by at least 21 points to secure the legitimacy of said championship
    3.  BB must wear sackcloth and ashes (with approved NFL apparel) in order to atone for his failure to draft Clay Matthews.
    4.  BBs only criteria in the draft is to make it fun for the fans.  The heck with team building let's leave that to the skins and jets
     
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    Wow! you sure got me...But my point still stands. There are almost no impact players on defense drafted by Bill. Ty Warren- didn't include him because I forgot he was drafted so high. Took him a while to get going. But he developed into a pretty good player, Then when he got hurt a couple of times, Bill cut him.
     
    RESPONSE: He was a top notch 3-4 DE, until his career was derailed by a hip injury. He couldn't play anymore. That's why BB cut him.

    I forgot Merriweather also. A lot of people would call him a bust. But at least Bill took a chance in the first round. That's all I'm asking for. Take a swing.
     
    RESPONSE: BB did, here...and, unfortunately, missed

    I'm tired of ignoring positions of need and throwing picks away.
     
    RESPONSE: Why take a run at a defensive player when you don't think he can play? That said, BB has passed on several guys in the last few years who could play...OLB Clay Matthews, OLB Connor Barwin, DE/OLB Jabaal Sheard, and OLB Brooks Reid. But, in exchange for passing on Matthews with the 26th overall pick, the Pats got the 41st, 73rd, and 83rd overall picks in 2009...and flipped one of those to get Gronk, in 2010. 
         You can make a complaint about Sheard and Reed, who the Pats passed on to take CB Ras-I Dowling. But, BB still went defense with Dowling.   


    If there's anybody else I missed on defense feel free to correct me. Until then I stand by my point that, for the most part, Bill's draft have been awful defensively.
     
    RESPONSE: Please be specific. What particular draft are you complaining about? As I demonstrated in my previous post, a general complaint about his drafts doesn't seem to hold water.

    Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about. In addition to the above, the Pats have the 27th, 31st, 48th, and 63rd picks with which to continue to build their defending AFC championship team. Are you serious?

    RESPONSE: Dead serious. Other than the Cincinnati Bengals, what other AFC contender is in better shape to improve their team in the upcoming draft than the Patriots?

    In all likelihood, he will trade the two first rounders and/or waste the other picks on offense.

    RESPONSE: I think that BB will, and should trade down, if given the opportunity (in other words, if he's presented with a good offer). Waste picks on offense? Did the Pats "waste" picks on OT Nate Solder, TEs Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez? Did they"waste" their 60th and 110th overall picks in 2007 on Wes Welker and randy Moss?  

    And you are in complete denial if you think that the Pats are legit AFC Champs. They got to play Denver in round one. Drew the Ravens in round two. Who are about as mentally tough as the Chargers. And had that chip shot game tying field goal not sailed wide, we probably would have lost that game too. Tell me you feel confident about our chances in over time with that D on the field. Especially after what you saw in the Superbowl against a .500 team.
     
    RESPONSE: The Pats have finished with the best conference record in the AFC over the past two years, winning 14 games in 2010, and 13 games last year. Illegitimate AFC champs?? Denver beat last years' defending AFC champ Steelers, before getting blown out by the Pats. The Ravens aren't mentally tough?? They sure looked tough to me when, two years before, they buried the Pats, 33-14, in the 2009 play-offs. The Ravens were a solid club, that beat the Steelers twice in the regular season...and gave the Pats all they could handle.
         As far as that missed FG goes, that's part of the game. Should we call the Patriots' 2001 championship team "illegitimate" because of the "Tuck Rule" game? Should we call the 2003 Patriots' championship team illegitimate because they barely beat Tennessee in the play-offs, and barely beat the Jake DelHomme led Panthers in 2003? Should we call the 2004 Patriots' championship team "illegitimate" because they barely held on to beat the Eagles?   


    Thomas and Colvin were mistakes.
     
    RESPONSE: Colvin was not a mistake. Though he wasn't a superstar with the Patriots, he gave them several solid years.

    But let's not act like that's something Bill routinely does. The list of expensive defensive free agents he's brought in here ends with those two. There is no number three. Anderson is the perfect example of what Bill does that's so frustrating.
     
    RESPONSE: Who would you have had the Pats bring in? How would that have affected the way the Pats build a team every year? The Pats' strategy is to pass on stars, and develop a strong 53 man roster by adding reasonably priced, quality players. That strategy has led to three championships, and five SB appearances over a decade. What teanm has done better? I suggest that you read Patriots' Reign.
         Mark Anderson is a perfect example of what BB does. But, how do you view the addition of Anderson "frustrating", in light of how he played last year?  

    Year after year he throws a truckload of garbage against the wall to see what will stick. 90% of these players end up being useless.
     
    RESPONSE: Hogwash. Please back up that BS claim with facts.

    Then you get one that wildly exceeds expectations.
     
    RESPONSE: If you get one guy off the scrap heap every year who "wildly exceeds expectations", you're doing a great job! In 2011, BB had two, Andre Carter and Anderson.

    And he just lets him walk. A guy that has proven he can fit into the system and help the team- at a position we are very weak at. It's insane.
     
    RESPONSE: The Bills overpaid paid Anderson to leave. They gave the 29 year old situational pass-rusher a 4 year, $19.5mil. deal, with $7.9mil. guaranteed...but all to be received in year one. The $7.9mil. is a ton of money to pay to a situational pass-rusher (previous reports that Anderson had received $27.5 mil. over 4 years were erroneous:    http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/3/27/2906144/buffalo-bills-mark-anderson-contract-details). The Bills could afford to overpay because they had a ton of cap room. It would not have been prudent for the Pats to have paid him that kind of money, especially considering their cap situation. 

    Do you really believe that the Bills are a better team than the Patriots? Not now. Not in April. It's way too early to tell. But they are shaping up to be a nightmare matchup for us. Especially if our defense doesn't improve.
     
    RESPONSE: The Pats will handle these rebuilt Bills. Mario Williams is vastly overrated, and was vastly overpaid. 

    RESPONSE: In 2006, 2007, and 2011 the Pats came about as close to winning another title as a team can, without actually pulling it off. No they didn't. It's fool's gold. In 2006 they lost because Bill (as he likes to do) left a gaping hole at a skill position.
     
    RESPONSE: Nonsense. The Pats were jobbed by the refs in Indy, costing them another SB appearance, against a relatively weak Chicago Bears team, QBed by the immortal Rex Grossman. 

    I'll give you 2007. They were a legit contender and should have won  it. They flat out choked in a huge way. But that was four years ago. And their defense has become progressively worse each year since
     
    RESPONSE: Four years ago is a long time??

    Criticize if you like...but BB has managed to keep the team on top. On top of what? Since 2004 they have lost playoff games to the Broncos and softy Colts.
     
    RESPONSE: Again, you need to get your facts straight. The Pats won the SB in 2004. They had a off-year in 2005, and lost to the Broncos in Denver that year. In 2006, they were jobbed by the refs in Indy.

    They lost two Superbowls to two of the most mediocre teams to ever play in a Superbowl.
     
    RESPONSE: You're grossly underrating the Giants. In 2007, they outplayed and nearly beat the then 15-0 Pats in the last game of that season. They then went on to beat (9-7) Tampa, 24-14, at Tampa, (13-3) Dallas, 21-17, at Dallas, (13-3) Green Bay, 23-20 ot, at Green Bay, before edging the Pats, 17-14, in Arizona. 
         In 2011, the injury ravaged Giants played perhaps the toughest schedule in the NFL. After winning their division with a 9-7 record, they went on to crush the (10-6) Atlanta Falcons, 24-2, in NY; pounded the mighty (15-1) Packers, 37-20, in Green Bay; survived the (13-3) San Francisco 49ers, 20-17 ot, in San Francisco; before edging the Gronk-less Pats in the SB, 21-17.  


    They have failed to get out of round one of the playoffs twice and missed the playoffs completely. Yes, they win 12 -14 games every year. So what? The fact is they don't have the talent defensively to win when it matters most. The value system is not working. And the results prove it.
     
    RESPONSE: LOL!!! Fans of other teams would kill for the decade that BB and the Pats just had.

    You can stomp your feet and call names like a three year old if you want. But it's not going to change anything. It's time for Bill to admit that what he's doing is not working and start operating with a greater sense of urgency and far less ego and self interest.

    RESPONSE: It is you who are whining and "stomping your feet like a three year old", my friend. But for a combination errant Brady throw and a dropped Welker pass, would we even be having this conversation?
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    I agree with almost everything df5 had to say. Especially the part that BB has taken the fun and excitement out of the draft. I don't have the number handy but how many times has BB traded down and got us 2 first round picks only to trade down again and get 2 first round picks for the next yr. It's ridiculous really. ...
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    bb is more concerned about building a competitive team than trying to entertain pats fans. i am so glad.
     
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    everyone seems to be jumping on the comment about fun, like we don't care who he gets, just want to eat popcorn and watch. Fun(party) has nothing to do with it, it's fun when he picks the best player available at that moment and stops trying to be cute. Two RB last year, what was that, when we had three and no one hurt, you could get RBs anytime and the best ones lately have been free agents. To spend two 2's or a 2 and a 3 on RB, when they'll ride the bench and we can't stop anybody. Thats just bad GM. Without TB last 2 years, we'd have been 8-8 or 9-7. It'll take a while, but you'll soon find out it was TB, not BB
     
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    right because your superior scouting skills on players in college far exceed those of the GM/coach wo has been doing it for over 40 years
     
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    of course it will tell you things:

    you may have forced them to pass because you built a big lead
    or the fact that 58% of the opponent's plays were pass plays
    you had 40 sacks
    you were a +17 in turnovers even with your QB giving up 14 INTs
    you were middle of pack in points allowed

    but why let facts get in the way of a good distortion?
     
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    sorry but your posts are not only unreadable gramatically but also logically, so I just ignore them to save myself the time, knowing there is nothing in them.

    and btw every team misses on VASTLY superior choices every year

    5 SBs in 10 years not enough; how many is adequate?  Every year?  you just expose your total and utter (never mind pathetic) ignorance with assertions like these

    you are another of those "run it more" guys, but can't say how much more you want it run.

    BTW nice cut and paste job on the draft.  How much do those descriptions cost?

    so no I didn't read your post, no matter how much alleged wisdom there is in there
     
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    no just trying to disprove your hyperbole of a 75% passing rate against this d. 

    you should try some facts sometime.
     
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    Re: Prepare yourself now, BB wont use either of his 1st round picks

    In Response to Re: Prepare yourself now, BB wont use either of his 1st round picks:
    2010 Draft- the draft where I finally believed that Belichick foound THE perfect system and tactic- withstanding here...  Bill Belichick's Draft WILL go something like this: 1st Round Pick #1:  BB WILL select a Pro-Bowler with this selection 1st Round Pick #2:  BB WILL trade down, and somehow manage to r#pe the trading "partner" into giving up their next 17 Second Round Selections (thiis year included), along with their following year's 1st Round Pick Rounds 2-6:  Patriots (minus this year) usually have somewhere in the vincinity of 17 picks every year in this 5 round rage.  He'll wheel & deal and jump around in this area, and BB will eventually haul away some 6th rder from someone else the following year, along with 14 Draft Picks...wherein EACH and Almost every single one down to the last man, WILL be ranked somewhere bordering around the final edges of being rated the 10,000th best rated draftee(s).  99% WILL fail...who won't will be: Rounds 7 and UDFAs: Belichick WILL unconditionally find 2-3 very serviceable players here, each one, twice as good as the entirety of the garbage he threw away his 100 Rounds 2-6 selections on. There's your draft...  IF you simply look at it in terms of the sheer monumental number of draft picks Belichick manages to accumulate in genius fashion, It's f'ing ASTOUNDING the manner and method and wasteful way that he spends them on players of lesser talent from the very 1st pick of Round 2, right up to the very end.  I'm simply NOT joking...it's reality.  Conceivably, IF ya had Bill Belichick spend all his time as the person in charge of the gambling chips and betting, while NEVER allowing him 1 lookt at any of the playing cards past that very first hand....You could prop up a blind monkey to throw darts at the draftees on the big board- OR just select EVERY single time, without fail and regardless of position, THE top-rated BPA currently on the big board at the given instant of one of these 6 million Rounds 2-6 selections Belichick solidifies... And you'd field a Super Bowl Champ every single year.  Seriously...  Belichick trading down is genius...  Belichick in Rd #1 is RARELY any issue of failed opportunity or choice.  Belichick from Selection #33 and onwards- Pathetically Bad when viewed in terms of simple numbers and strength of opportunities in this area...  Really, really, realllly, really, really BAD.
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium

    Spot on Laz. Belichick sets himself apart from the rest acquiring draft picks. It's the actual picks themselves(#33 and onwards) that haven't always measured up. Two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds last year and two 1sts, two 2nds this year is sheer genius. He just needs to hit on a couple of these.

    Even so, he got the team one big play away from another championship. I can somewhat understand how people here are getting impatient.
     
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    Re: Prepare yourself now, BB wont use either of his 1st round picks

    And you'd field a Super Bowl Champ every single year.  Seriously... 

    this is your own quote....
     
    BTW glad to hear you don't pay for that analysis because I would advise you to get a refund 

    again as for the rest of your post totally incomprehensible

    learn to use the enter key and start a paragraph now and then.  Stream of consciousness is not attractive
     
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