Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS

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    Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS

         This from SI's Peter King, with my comments interjected therein:


         "All of a sudden, in a competitive sense, Spygate doesn't seem so important. 
    In the past week, the Patriots have beaten two of the best teams in the league by a combined 81-10. As it was in 2007, when New England was laying waste to the league while going 16-0 in the regular season, there's a gap between New England and the rest of the league that, in today's football, is rare. I thought the beatdown of the Bears at Soldier Field Sunday was significant because, as Brian Urlacher said, "They came in here, our field, our weather, and pounded us.''


         Three years ago, when the Patriots exterminated the rest of the league, they did so under the shadow of Spygate, when they were sanctioned by commissioner Roger Goodell after the first game of the season for secretly videotaping teams' defensive signals to try to gain an advantage.
     
    RESPONSE: BS. The Pats did this openly, by merely taping signals from a disallowed sideline spot. According to football people such as Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, and Mike Ditka, this was a common practice, engaged in by all teams...including the sainted NY Jets.
     
         I figure now is a good time to look back at history and judge just how much an advantage the Patriots got from Spygate, because now we have the perspective given us by recent history.


         Since the commissioner whacked the Patriots and coach Bill Belichick in September 2007 for the longterm practice of taping the opposition's sidelines, New England has played almost half the number of games (64) as it played coached by Belichick before the sanctions came down (126). So the sample size is good to determine what sort of edge Belichick and his team got from knowing what the opposing signals might have meant. And the answer I found is: not much, apparently.


         Before I go on, understand I'm not attempting to minimize what the Patriots did wrong. Roger Goodell was right to take away a first-round pick and whack the Pats $750,000 for the misdeed.

    RESPONSE: BS...Goodell responded to media pressure. The NY media was desperate to do what the Jets couldn't do...slow down the Patriots. What Denver was caught doing recently (taping another teams' practice session) was far worse. Yet all Goodell did was fine the Broncos and coach Josh McDaniels $50,000 each. Why weren't the Broncos smeared, and penalized a #1 draft choice, too? 

         But check out the pre- and post-Spygate numbers, including playoff games, for the Patriots under Belichick, and you'll see why the video practices seem so wasteful:

     
     GW-LPct.Points per game
    Pre-Sanction12687-39.69023.4
    Since Sanction6449-15.76629.4

         Pretty interesting. New England's gone from winning two-thirds of its games with the benefit of taping illegally, to winning three-quarters of its games and scoring six points more per game without taping -- and with so many new pieces on offense.

    RESPONSE: Shouldn't that convince any objective, fair minded person that Spygate was a manufactured scandal...and that football  people like Parcells, Johnson, and Ditka were right about it being a bunch of nonsense?


         I was reminded of this last Monday, when the Patriots were mercilessly pounding the Jets 45-3, and just thought how interesting it is that the Patriots are the highest-scoring team in football -- by a whopping 41 points -- in a year in which they've totally changed their offensive philosophy to more of a tight-end-centric one with two rookie tight ends as the keystones. (Just when teams start focusing defensively on the tight ends, the Patriots unleash the wideouts. In Chicago yesterday, Deion Branch and Wes Welker combined for 16 catches and 266 yards.) It all just proves to me that Belichick used to be and still is the smartest guy in the room ... and how unimportant to everything on the field the videotaping seems to have been.

    RESPONSE: Again, what does this suggest, King? 


    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/12/13/week-14-mmqb/index.html#ixzz180gxMv00
     
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         Above is the germain part of the King article that I posted on earlier.
     
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    you can argue all you want.  You taped the opponents sideline.  You can look at where you taped it from and argue that point all you want.  That is not important as you point out to us besides being outside of the written rule.  The important thing is taping of the sidelines.  Also, it is a BS move on the pats to cover teh red light that indicates that the camera is filming...
     
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    Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS

    Give me back our first round pick
     
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    I think "PROOF" might be the wrong choice of words here.  Especially from a guy who genuinely likes to call out others for their word choice. 

    I also think given what your oline coach's son did, there is a valid question as to whether or not Belichick was lying about taping of walkthroughs during those year regardless of whether or not he specifically had the Rams taped. 

    Anyway, I get the gist of your comments, but the comments made by King suggest really only one thing - that Belichick is a great coach.  And even with Spygate, I don't think anyone questioned that. 
     
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    Let the haters think what they want.

    The Pats kicked everyone's @ss when everyone was doing it, and now they're kicking everyone's @ss when no one is doing it.

    I don't understand why people need to rehash this argument over and over again.
     
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    seems to be current news in boston as well. 
     
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    Good read gents.
     
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    Guess you need to ask that local radio station too?  Haters.
     
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    In Response to Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS:
    seems to be current news in boston as well. 
    Posted by UD6


    Also current news in Boston is Colts player #99 yelling, Hut Hut Hut during kneel downs and being flagged for it the very next week.  Doh......
    No one from Indy should ever call any other team," Cheater"  ever again.  Ever!
     
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    Here's what Jimmy Johnson had to say about the practice of taping signals:

    Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You're a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

    JJ: Oh please. I've said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and

    zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they're not on the press box side you can't do it from the press box, you have to do it from

    the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

    Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?

    JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the

    league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And that's when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don't do it any more,

    he did it.

    Q: Did you ever steal signals?

    JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.

    Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?

    JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you're going to play the

    other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.

    Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?

    JJ: Yeah.

    Q: Oh you did.

    JJ: That's what I'm saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimers scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me that's how they did it, and Howard Mudd their

    offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.

    Q: Where'd you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?

    JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you'd just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That's

    the best way to do it, but anyway you can't always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they're on the same side as the

    opposing team that's when you need to do it from the sideline.

    Q: Also with some operations and some teams they have equipment set up within the stadium so they can just run it back and check what's going on during the game anyway.

    JJ: Oh I'll tell you some of the stuff that goes on it's almost comical.

    Q: Jimmy don't you think using contraptions like that goes against the spirit of football?

    JJ: Well that's why the league put in that you can't use any electronic equipment, during the game, locker room, press box, sideline, this type of thing. They ruled against it

    and again that's why Bill Belichick was wrong.

    Q: How much of an advantage would it give them?

    JJ: Well you know Bradshaw and I had a talk back and forth on this. I did it a few times and then I stopped doing it because I didn't think we got much out of it to be honest

    with you. But games are so close... If it gives you one single play in the ballgame it might be the difference. But again, he was wrong for doing it after the memorandum was

    sent out by the league, because the league knew that other teams were doing it. And so... it was a commonplace thing though.

     
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    Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS

    In Response to Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS:
    What local radio stations?  Indianapolis?
    Posted by BBReigns

    chuckle - the one you referenced.  duh?
     
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    In Response to Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS:
    I think "PROOF" might be the wrong choice of words here.  Especially from a guy who genuinely likes to call out others for their word choice.

    RESPONSE: This from a guy who has as much credibility here as Leon.

    I also think given what your oline coach's son did, there is a valid question as to whether or not Belichick was lying about taping of walkthroughs during those year regardless of whether or not he specifically had the Rams taped.

    RESPONSE: why does this not surprise me? If "cheatinng" got the Pats all  those wins early in the decade, why have they continue to win at a substantially higher percentage since?

    Anyway, I get the gist of your comments, but the comments made by King suggest really only one thing - that Belichick is a great coach.  And even with Spygate, I don't think anyone questioned that.

    RESPONSE: Every time trolls like you refer to spygate, aren't you questioning the legitimacy of his success? When you refer to him as a "cheater", aren't you in fact calling into question whether he is a great coach? 
    Posted by UD6
     
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    Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS

    None of this matters. Jealous fans ( like Leon ) of loser teams will be whining about it for at least a hundred years. The game will be played by robots in null gravity and they'll still be pointing it out.
     
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    In Response to Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS : Ask the local radio stations what, exactly?   Please learn basic communication skills in your next semester of college. Thanks.
    Posted by BBReigns


    Pathetic diversion Rusty.  If you can't read, stay off the site. 

    Thanks.
     
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    In Response to Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS:
    I think "PROOF" might be the wrong choice of words here.  Especially from a guy who genuinely likes to call out others for their word choice.  I also think given what your oline coach's son did, there is a valid question as to whether or not Belichick was lying about taping of walkthroughs during those year regardless of whether or not he specifically had the Rams taped.  Anyway, I get the gist of your comments, but the comments made by King suggest really only one thing - that Belichick is a great coach.  And even with Spygate, I don't think anyone questioned that. 
    Posted by UD6


    UD - you have questioned BB on countless occassions on this forum - it is patently ludicrous to suggest that you haven't been on this site fanning the Spygate flames over, over, and over again - Peter King is a Colt loving Jacka** who chooses his column today, when the Pats have demonstrated quite clearly that they are the cream of the AFC crop, to dredge up the Spygate thing again as a backhanded "compliment" to BB and the Patriots  - most ridiculous storyline to pursue  - of course King was writing a couple of weeks ago before the Pats/Colts game that he had a Colt source who says that Manning/Caldwell ( and I am sure Dungy before him) would not openly discuss their game plan in the locker room - King is rightly persona non grata in Foxboro -

    When the Patriots win the Superbowl in February Peter King better not get with handshake distance of BB - unless he wants the Tom Jackson fuke off treatment
     
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    Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS

    peter king is a dumbas$
     
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    Everyone knows the whole thing was BS.  I still have yet to meet a person in real life who spews the trolling garbage I see on the internet.  Nobody I know gave a crap about Spygate and I'm talking about some of my Steelers rooting friends, Ravens rooting friends, and the one Jets fan that I can somewhat tolerate.
     
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    Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS

    In Response to Re: Proof Positive That "Spygate" Was a Bunch of BS:
    Let the haters think what they want. The Pats kicked everyone's @ss when everyone was doing it, and now they're kicking everyone's @ss when no one is doing it. I don't understand why people need to rehash this argument over and over again.
    Posted by p-mike



    lol.....because it "commands" at least 200 posts....
     
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