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Proposed CBA..whatya think

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    Sounds fair to me!  Let's just get it signed so football can proceed uninterrupted!

    It's almost July . . . time to start thinking about training camp (and hunting season).
     
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    There are 2 I really like.

    1) Teams required to spend close to 100 percent of the salary cap.

    2) New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012.

    Get her done!

     
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    Fair without the expense credit. They can't say "all revenue" and then talk about an expense credit. They're talking out of both sides of their mouth...dirty, cheap, arrogant owners.

    Otherwise, it's all fine. Everything every Joe McFan knew would be included. THey pay lawyers how much to do this? What a joke.
     
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    Fair without the expense credit. They can't say "all revenue" and then talk about an expense credit. They're talking out of both sides of their mouth...dirty, cheap, arrogant owners. Otherwise, it's all fine. Everything every Joe McFan knew would be included. THey pay lawyers how much to do this? What a joke.
    Posted by ma6dragon9


    Have to disagree on this.  The players cant get pure profit in their side while the owners are saddled with all the costs.  The owners have all the financial risks, so they deserve some "credits"
     
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    DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I feel like it did not require all the time that was wasted in courts and all the time used in bickering about minor details to come up with something reasonable like this. It's June, seriously. Greed on both sides managed to provoke a dispute that lasted this long and perhaps a week or two more while only really agitating the fans.
     
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    In Response to Proposed CBA..whatya think :      Sounds fair...but would like to see the idea of an 18 game schedule permanently scrapped. Would also like to see Goodell gone...he's bad for the game. Especially happy to see that the retired players are getting better benefits.  
    Posted by TexasPat3


    Amen to that!
     
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    they need to be very careful with this rookie salary cap. you  always here that the average stay in league is three years. maybe this results in overpaying vet players meant as role players-
    who knows what will happen- i hate changes. because thers no telling what the possible consequences are.
     
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    In Response to Re: Proposed CBA..whatya think : Have to disagree on this.  The players cant get pure profit in their side while the owners are saddled with all the costs.  The owners have all the financial risks, so they deserve some "credits"
    Posted by MordecaiBloodmoon


    That's a decent point...but what financial risk? The NFL saw growth as the rest of the country imploded. You'd really have to be a complete moron to NOT make money off of an NFL franchise. And both sides basically agree that the revenue will look like $16billion-ish around 2015. They already have absurd television deals that pretty much guarantee a sizeable profit. If any owner didn't want to be "saddled" with all these costs, I'm sure there are dozens of other billionaires who would overpay, right now, to take over their team.

    Research or watch 'Blood Equity', and you'll see a lot of what the players are fighting for, and see who's really taking the risks.

    Neither side is right here, but the owners are really coming off looking especially greedy trying to take back money and feigning poverty when the sport is seeing record growth.
     
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    Looks fair. I think the owners have given up more than the players. Mainly psyched for the Thursday night schedule, and the rookie slary scale which I think is long overdue!
     
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               Asstated,it is an equitable and sane compromise on all counts and should have and could have been settled three manoths ago.It appears the players side finally grasped the reality three points:1-killing the salary cap also killed the salary flor and there would have been ten or more teams who would pay peanuts and not be competitive:2-that a rookie slaary cap frees up more money for the vets and stopped the stupidity of paying those who have not proven anything as pros making more than those who having labored in the NFL and proved their worth(first round picks were making more than proven stars-I often posted that the players opposition was self defeating..dawn broke over Marblehead I guess);3-the extrodinary growth in both the popularity and revenue was fueled,in large measure by the parity that existed in the league..fans knew that there were mechanisms in place that would enable their team to improve(e.g.-the draft,free agency,franchise and transition tags which enabled the smaller revenue teams to have the chance to keep their better players and primarily the salary cap and floor,which prevent the wealthiest teams from simply paying outragious salaries to corner the talent market,much as you see in baseball)and prevented the lower revenua teams from paying dramatically less that than the more affluent teams,these measures do not ensure teams getting better if they are poorly run but the opportunities do exirt to do so if their management teams make good decisions.Somebody could still do something stupid(probably based on ego)and sabotage a rational and equitable settlement but lets hope that the inmates no longer control the assylm. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Proposed CBA..whatya think : That's a decent point...but what financial risk? The NFL saw growth as the rest of the country imploded. You'd really have to be a complete moron to NOT make money off of an NFL franchise. And both sides basically agree that the revenue will look like $16billion-ish around 2015. They already have absurd television deals that pretty much guarantee a sizeable profit. If any owner didn't want to be "saddled" with all these costs, I'm sure there are dozens of other billionaires who would overpay, right now, to take over their team. Research or watch 'Blood Equity', and you'll see a lot of what the players are fighting for, and see who's really taking the risks. Neither side is right here, but the owners are really coming off looking especially greedy trying to take back money and feigning poverty when the sport is seeing record growth.
    Posted by ma6dragon9


    The risk is prospective, not how much growth have they had but how much they will have.  If an owner can sell his team for $1 billion today, then he is risking $1 billion by staying in the league so he be better make darn sure staying in the league will make him more than $1 billion. 
     
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    Whatever you may think of the owners or the players (or the fans) you've got to love the quotation marks around all revenue.

    That's pretty funny.




     
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    In Response to Re: Proposed CBA..whatya think:
    In Response to Re: Proposed CBA..whatya think : That's a decent point...but what financial risk? The NFL saw growth as the rest of the country imploded. You'd really have to be a complete moron to NOT make money off of an NFL franchise. And both sides basically agree that the revenue will look like $16billion-ish around 2015. They already have absurd television deals that pretty much guarantee a sizeable profit. If any owner didn't want to be "saddled" with all these costs, I'm sure there are dozens of other billionaires who would overpay, right now, to take over their team. Research or watch 'Blood Equity', and you'll see a lot of what the players are fighting for, and see who's really taking the risks. Neither side is right here, but the owners are really coming off looking especially greedy trying to take back money and feigning poverty when the sport is seeing record growth.
    Posted by ma6dragon9


    IMHO it isnt just making money.  It is making money in proportion to your investment.  And the money u can and should make off of a billion is a whole lotta cash.  The big market teams are not an issue.  It is the small guys that suffer.  Glad the Pats are not one of those. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Proposed CBA..whatya think:
    In Response to Re: Proposed CBA..whatya think : The risk is prospective, not how much growth have they had but how much they will have.  If an owner can sell his team for $1 billion today, then he is risking $1 billion by staying in the league so he be better make darn sure staying in the league will make him more than $1 billion. 
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    This sounds a lot like when teams say they lost money, when in fact they just didn't reach projections, but still made money hand over fist.

    If a team is worth 1 bil today, it will be worth 1 bil tomorrow. The direction of the league is more solid than any other investment out there. At the very worst, the team remains at it's current value. It will NEVER go down to zero. So they keep their 1 billion nest egg, and just feast on the profits from year to year. Again, football not only didn't take a step back when the economy imploded...it didn't stay the same...it INCREASED. To think they will see any decrease anytime soon is absurd. When the economy does eventually turn around, the league will grow even faster, the owners know this and I think that's the major motivator to get this done now, not in five years when the exponential growth of the league will be obvious to even the Ray Lewis' of the football world.
     
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