Quality of information content in BB's press conferences

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    I was very clear, there is a 2% out there...you can put whomever you like in that group. the other 98% is 100% opposite of what you feel the media is. they have a job to do, just like BB has a job to do. I have seen him dress down too many guys in public for no reason...there is no place for that IMO. Reiss is a perfect example. I dont think ther has been a person more fair to the Pats in the past 10 years. now, to my knowledge and in my presence, BB has never gone after Reiss...but BB needs to also understand that Reiss has a job to do, and certain questions need to be asked, even though Reiss, BB and everyone in the room knows the questions will not be answered...sitting thru one of BB's pressers, one asks the question, why even bother? why waste his time, but also why waste 75-100 poeples time that are trying to do their job?  

     



    All things being equal, I would like a coach who wins AND is well-liked by the press. But I would happily settle for one who simply wins.

    Having said that, would you agree that Bill Belichick has more than average influence over the league? He could walk away from the Patriots and 31 teams would ditch their current coaching staff to bring him on board.

    If he is so universally disliked, how does that happen? It's because he wins. Winning trumps all else. In his case, however, he is also very knowledgable about the game of football, and is capable of articulating his football beliefs and strategy is a very simple but comprehensive way. When a journalist engages him in a football conversation, he gets a lot of value from the conversation. The guy's been coaching for over 30 years in the NFL. His dad was a coach. He has football in his blood. He is also very intelligent. You set your ego aside and listen to guys like that when they talk.

    Look, this thread started from one simple Q&A in one of his press conferences. It showed a very articulate, detailed answer to a football question. It was juxtaposed against the "he is inactive" sound bite that everyone ran with.

    By the way, Breer reported today that he believed Gronk and Amendola have a good chance of returning in the Atlanta game. He based that on his locker room conversation with Gronk, and on what he saw of Amendola in practice. Whether they play Sunday or not, Atlanta will have to game plan for them. I have no idea whether this will actually happen or not. I personally would be happier if they kept these two guys out until the middle or end of October. The season starts in earnest on November 24th for this team in a home game against the Broncos. They need to be a big part of that game because it's likely to be a shoot-out.

     



    That is fair and I agree with you. Winning is paramount. I can even accept the excuse that after a game, a coach, any coach, can have a short fuse, especially after a loss. But the mid week presser has no reason for the tenuous tone with the media. 

    Use your Breer comment. He spoke with Gronk. He watched Amendola. His opinion based on what he saw for himself was they could play. His job is to follow up on his opinion and ask the coach if they will. Isn't that the biggest story of this weeks game? Will Gronk and DA play? What journalist does not ask that question? Now, BB doesn't have to answer. It is to his advantage to not answer. It is his job to not answer. But isn't there a way to answer, with the understanding the question needs to be asked?

    I have probably over the decade attended 30-40 BB pressers. I have probably attended 2 Tony Dungy press conferences. I have seen a few others on TV. I have never seen or heard of Dungy dress down a journalists trying to do his job. 




I don't disagree that stylistically I would prefer Bill to be conciliatory with the press, or at least not short to the point of rudeness. But above all, I prefer him to win.

Was Breer doing his job in speculating whether Gronk and Amendola would be back? Perhaps. But I would like to see stories from him and other supposed football journalists that help fans understand why the Patriots game plan the way they do, or what situational planning they do and why, or even how they cope with injuries as they have in the past, or why BB's personnel choices are balanced between specialists and generalists. I don't see that kind of depth in the reporting. I see exclusively stories of individual achievement in a team sport. It's a bit frustrating to see these guys then demand that the teams feed their frenzy.

 
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     How much is the NFL's interest in promoting fantasy football playing into this?  Albert Breer works for the NFL Network and the NFL Network is part of NFL Enterprises, which is heavily pushing their fantasy football product.  The NFL Network now has a number of fantasy shows.  Knowing about injuries is apparently important to the fantasy geeks (I've never played it and never will, so I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I gather you have to decide which players to activate each week and knowing about injuries is important to that decision).  So guys like Breer, who are as much salesmen as reporters, need to get the information that supports this fantasy football product.

     

    Belichick, meanwhile, wants to continue to coach real football and not play fantasy games.  May be some interesting tensions created if the NFL tries to pressure coaches into revealing more about injuries to boost their fantasy product.  Those "selling" the real thing, like BB, may start to get annoyed if fantasy forces them to do things they don't feel are helpful to winning real football games.

     

     

     
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     How much is the NFL's interest in promoting fantasy football playing into this?  Albert Breer works for the NFL Network and the NFL Network is part of NFL Enterprises, which is heavily pushing their fantasy football product.  The NFL Network now has a number of fantasy shows.  Knowing about injuries is apparently important to the fantasy geeks (I've never played it and never will, so I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I gather you have to decide which players to activate each week and knowing about injuries is important to that decision).  So guys like Breer, who are as much salesmen as reporters, need to get the information that supports this fantasy football product.

     

    Belichick, meanwhile, wants to continue to coach real football and not play fantasy games.  May be some interesting tensions created if the NFL tries to pressure coaches into revealing more about injuries to boost their fantasy product.  Those "selling" the real thing, like BB, may start to get annoyed if fantasy forces them to do things they don't feel are helpful to winning real football games.

     

     



    Pro, while I think fantasy has something to do with it it generally only affects players that are considered day-day with nagging injures (that could affect playing time) and actually for the most part you get reports on players injures even if the coaches don't report on it. It might seem strange to some but everyone in the NFL knows exactly what's going on with injures well before the fans do. Everyone who works for a team knows when Gronk will be back and same with Amendola, we just don't because BB prefers not to use the direct root of reporters but in reality every NFL team knows. Former coaches and players have commented that after a player went down they generally could guess their return within a week or two because every team has dealt with similar injures at some point. As for Gronks and Amendola's injury for fantasy fans, no fantasy owner would start a player coming off a long injury the first week back anyways. You always have to wait and see how they preform before putting them in your starting lineup. So, in this particular case knowing if he's playing or not wouldn't help 80% of players because they wouldn't play him the first week back anyways.

     
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     How much is the NFL's interest in promoting fantasy football playing into this?  Albert Breer works for the NFL Network and the NFL Network is part of NFL Enterprises, which is heavily pushing their fantasy football product.  The NFL Network now has a number of fantasy shows.  Knowing about injuries is apparently important to the fantasy geeks (I've never played it and never will, so I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I gather you have to decide which players to activate each week and knowing about injuries is important to that decision).  So guys like Breer, who are as much salesmen as reporters, need to get the information that supports this fantasy football product.

     

    Belichick, meanwhile, wants to continue to coach real football and not play fantasy games.  May be some interesting tensions created if the NFL tries to pressure coaches into revealing more about injuries to boost their fantasy product.  Those "selling" the real thing, like BB, may start to get annoyed if fantasy forces them to do things they don't feel are helpful to winning real football games.

     

     




    Interesting comment. I don't participate in the fanstasy leagues so I don't think about it. But this could be a possible explanation for the press' focus on injuries and timing of return of injured players.

     
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    neinmd, many of us in here have lobbied for civil discourse for quite some time.  Over time, however, it has become apparent to me that there are those who post here and who simply have no interest in being civil.  Label it however you wish, it is, in my experience, the way of it. The excuse that some use that they have lost patience with the 'hopeless homers' or 'trolls' or whatever and are therefore somehow justified in posting any random insult stream they choose wears thin after awhile.  

    All of that being said, I have long ago written it off as the price of admission to this forum.  I have done so because of the presence of rational fans who speak to the issues in a fairminded way and make a serious attempt at civility.

    Rant complete; apologies for deviating from the topic at hand. 

     
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    I was very clear, there is a 2% out there...you can put whomever you like in that group. the other 98% is 100% opposite of what you feel the media is. they have a job to do, just like BB has a job to do. I have seen him dress down too many guys in public for no reason...there is no place for that IMO. Reiss is a perfect example. I dont think ther has been a person more fair to the Pats in the past 10 years. now, to my knowledge and in my presence, BB has never gone after Reiss...but BB needs to also understand that Reiss has a job to do, and certain questions need to be asked, even though Reiss, BB and everyone in the room knows the questions will not be answered...sitting thru one of BB's pressers, one asks the question, why even bother? why waste his time, but also why waste 75-100 poeples time that are trying to do their job?  

     

     

     



    All things being equal, I would like a coach who wins AND is well-liked by the press. But I would happily settle for one who simply wins.

     

    Having said that, would you agree that Bill Belichick has more than average influence over the league? He could walk away from the Patriots and 31 teams would ditch their current coaching staff to bring him on board.

    If he is so universally disliked, how does that happen? It's because he wins. Winning trumps all else. In his case, however, he is also very knowledgable about the game of football, and is capable of articulating his football beliefs and strategy is a very simple but comprehensive way. When a journalist engages him in a football conversation, he gets a lot of value from the conversation. The guy's been coaching for over 30 years in the NFL. His dad was a coach. He has football in his blood. He is also very intelligent. You set your ego aside and listen to guys like that when they talk.

    Look, this thread started from one simple Q&A in one of his press conferences. It showed a very articulate, detailed answer to a football question. It was juxtaposed against the "he is inactive" sound bite that everyone ran with.

    By the way, Breer reported today that he believed Gronk and Amendola have a good chance of returning in the Atlanta game. He based that on his locker room conversation with Gronk, and on what he saw of Amendola in practice. Whether they play Sunday or not, Atlanta will have to game plan for them. I have no idea whether this will actually happen or not. I personally would be happier if they kept these two guys out until the middle or end of October. The season starts in earnest on November 24th for this team in a home game against the Broncos. They need to be a big part of that game because it's likely to be a shoot-out.

     



    That is fair and I agree with you. Winning is paramount. I can even accept the excuse that after a game, a coach, any coach, can have a short fuse, especially after a loss. But the mid week presser has no reason for the tenuous tone with the media. 

    Use your Breer comment. He spoke with Gronk. He watched Amendola. His opinion based on what he saw for himself was they could play. His job is to follow up on his opinion and ask the coach if they will. Isn't that the biggest story of this weeks game? Will Gronk and DA play? What journalist does not ask that question? Now, BB doesn't have to answer. It is to his advantage to not answer. It is his job to not answer. But isn't there a way to answer, with the understanding the question needs to be asked?

    I have probably over the decade attended 30-40 BB pressers. I have probably attended 2 Tony Dungy press conferences. I have seen a few others on TV. I have never seen or heard of Dungy dress down a journalists trying to do his job. 




    I don't disagree that stylistically I would prefer Bill to be conciliatory with the press, or at least not short to the point of rudeness. But above all, I prefer him to win.

    Was Breer doing his job in speculating whether Gronk and Amendola would be back? Perhaps. But I would like to see stories from him and other supposed football journalists that help fans understand why the Patriots game plan the way they do, or what situational planning they do and why, or even how they cope with injuries as they have in the past, or why BB's personnel choices are balanced between specialists and generalists. I don't see that kind of depth in the reporting. I see exclusively stories of individual achievement in a team sport. It's a bit frustrating to see these guys then demand that the teams feed their frenzy.



  • that is not Breers job. Just like you would not see that type of info from Reiss or Shaughnessy. You should check out Bedard, NEPD, ESPN Field Yates or Tedy for the info you want to see and read

     
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    that is not Breers job. Just like you would not see that type of info from Reiss or Shaughnessy. You should check out Bedard, NEPD, ESPN Field Yates or Tedy for the info you want to see and read

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    So how would you describe Breer's job? And do you feel there is any credence to Pro's comment above about NFL's interest in promoting fantasy leagues and the subsequent press interest in injured players' status?

     
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    So how would you describe Breer's job? And do you feel there is any credence to Pro's comment above about NFL's interest in promoting fantasy leagues and the subsequent press interest in injured players' status?

     



    Of course the league is interested in promoting fantasy leagues, it's a huge money maker but the questioning of injured players has been around long before fantasy ever started. The main reason is because fans are interested in hearing what's going on with players on their team. You don't play fantasy so you wouldn't really know but detailed injury reports and time tables come out for players all the time on fantasy sites without a single reporter asking the question to the coach. Because there are so many sources out there and former players who have seen/experienced these injures that they have a great judge of how sever the injury is. A coach can say nothing about an injury (like BB) and fantasy owners will still get report after report about the injury. The only difference is the average fan doesn't go digging for info on the injures they'd much rather open their paper or open up their favorite site and read about it from a reporter who's job it is to ask BB about the injury. People tend to like to hear it from the coach instead of 2nd hand for a source but in reality the info remains about the same.

    The thing most fans don't realize when they say, BB doesn't want to give away any advantage, is that for the most part every team knows about every other teams personal and injury. These are like mini countries and they have little spy networks everywhere. It's not like Amendola tears his groin and teams are scrambling to figure out when he'll get back. Every team in the league knows roughly when he'll be back just watching him move during that game and hearing about the severity for sources. No matter how much BB tries to keep lids on injures there are always sources and other teams always know what's going on with players on other teams.

     
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    So how would you describe Breer's job? And do you feel there is any credence to Pro's comment above about NFL's interest in promoting fantasy leagues and the subsequent press interest in injured players' status?

     



    Of course the league is interested in promoting fantasy leagues, it's a huge money maker but the questioning of injured players has been around long before fantasy ever started. The main reason is because fans are interested in hearing what's going on with players on their team. You don't play fantasy so you wouldn't really know but detailed injury reports and time tables come out for players all the time on fantasy sites without a single reporter asking the question to the coach. Because there are so many sources out there and former players who have seen/experienced these injures that they have a great judge of how sever the injury is. A coach can say nothing about an injury (like BB) and fantasy owners will still get report after report about the injury. The only difference is the average fan doesn't go digging for info on the injures they'd much rather open their paper or open up their favorite site and read about it from a reporter who's job it is to ask BB about the injury. People tend to like to hear it from the coach instead of 2nd hand for a source but in reality the info remains about the same.

     




    I see. Thanks for that information. As you said, not an area in which I have any experience.

     
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    So how would you describe Breer's job? And do you feel there is any credence to Pro's comment above about NFL's interest in promoting fantasy leagues and the subsequent press interest in injured players' status?

     

     

     



    Of course the league is interested in promoting fantasy leagues, it's a huge money maker but the questioning of injured players has been around long before fantasy ever started. The main reason is because fans are interested in hearing what's going on with players on their team. You don't play fantasy so you wouldn't really know but detailed injury reports and time tables come out for players all the time on fantasy sites without a single reporter asking the question to the coach. Because there are so many sources out there and former players who have seen/experienced these injures that they have a great judge of how sever the injury is. A coach can say nothing about an injury (like BB) and fantasy owners will still get report after report about the injury. The only difference is the average fan doesn't go digging for info on the injures they'd much rather open their paper or open up their favorite site and read about it from a reporter who's job it is to ask BB about the injury. People tend to like to hear it from the coach instead of 2nd hand for a source but in reality the info remains about the same.

     

     

    The thing most fans don't realize when they say, BB doesn't want to give away any advantage, is that for the most part every team knows about every other teams personal and injury. These are like mini countries and they have little spy networks everywhere. It's not like Amendola tears his groin and teams are scrambling to figure out when he'll get back. Every team in the league knows roughly when he'll be back just watching him move during that game and hearing about the severity for sources. No matter how much BB tries to keep lids on injures there are always sources and other teams always know what's going on with players on other teams.

     



    Interesting, but I have a feeling BB himself doesn't really know who will actually be ready to play on Sunday. I believe him when he says it's "day-to-day" because I think that's how Belichick approaches everything.  He makes decisions in real time based on the facts at the time and doesn't try to predict too much ahead of time.  If something is uncertain, he keeps his options open so he can respond flexibly depending on what actually happens when it happens, rather than "guessing" what he thinks will happen and moving forward assuming that something will occur that, in the end, may not occur. Having observed Belichick for over a decade now, I think his unique strength is his ability to see the whole range of possibilities for the future and plan for all of them, but not commit too early to any one possibility that may, in the end, not be realized. It's sort of like his interest in "situational" football.  He prepares for every situation, and then makes his decisions on what to do at the time the situation occurs.  I'm sure he's prepared for Amendola being inactive and Amendola being active, and he won't know for sure which it will be until Sunday night.  At that point he'll know and he'll commit.  But ask him today and he'll tell you the only thing he can tell you (and he's being perfectly honest, even if it seems like he's not) it's "day to day."  That's because, in Belichick's mind, it is truly day to day, and even he won't know whether Amendola is playing until the time comes when the decision to activate or deactivate has to be made.  That will be Sunday evening. At that point, he'll know and he can give you an answer.  Before then, he really doesn't know and he's not guessing.  Instead, he's planning for both possibilities because either has a high likelihood of occuring.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Expanding on my post above, here's how I think BB could have answered the Gronk question.

     

    Q--How close was Gronk to playing yesterday?

     

    BB--We don't think about it that way.  When a player's injured, we know there are two possibilities, either he'll be ready at game time or he won't, and we prepare for both.

     

    Q--Did he have a shot to play?

     

    BB--When a player's injured and he's not declared out, there's always a shot he will play and a shot he won't play.  We don't try to guess how close he is ahead of time because either possibility could materialize and we need to be prepared for both.  So when there's uncertainty, we prepare for both contingencies and then decide at the time we have to decide whether the's ready or not. 

     

    Q--Going into the day, was there a chance he'd play?

     

    BB--There was a chance he'd play and a chance he wouldn't.  We were prepared for both. 

     

    Q--How about this week, do you think he'll play?

     

    BB--We evaluate every day.  We don't try to guess ahead of time.  We simply prepare for both possibilities and make the decision when we know for sure, and often that's not until game time.  The injury report reflects our evaluation each day.  But with injuries things change continually and we don't try to predict the future, we simply prepare for the two different possibilities and make the decision at the time we know for sure.  Sometimes that's ahead of game time, but often we don't know until a few hours before game time. 

     

    Q--Based on Gronk's condition today, would you play him if the game were right now?

     

    BB--We haven't done the tests we'd do on game day, so I don't know.  He's practicing on a limited basis, which means there's a possibility he's ready and a possibility he's not.  We'd have to test his condition to decide, and we haven't done that.  And we won't do that until we need to make the decision.  It's a waste of time to do it now, because things could change tomorrow.  Again, all we can do now is prepare for both possibilities, and make our decision when we have to.  Some of those decisions are made the day before the game, when we decide who will travel with the team and some are delayed until game time.  We won't know until the time comes for the decision to be made. 

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    One of the better discussions I've seen in here of late.  I think in large measure it depends on what you're looking for from BB.  The guy is one of the best football minds in the game and if a fan or journalist wishes to learn a great deal about BB's philosophy or approach to players and coaching then there is much there to be learned.  If, on the other hand, you want to know whether Joe Schmucatelli is going to play in Sunday's game then you're S.O.L. 

    And each of the two possible alternative responses that you've posted, Babe, reveals something that BB simply believes he doesn't need to reveal and may indeed be helpful to anyone game planning for a game or two down the road.

     




    I didn't say either of those answers had to be true. LMAO

     

    But BB clearly has some sort of psychological issue with press conferences. He deliberately tries to alienate and crap on these people. I suspect he feels he is justified in that and has intimated that he doesn't respect their profession in the past.

    The reasons for this are unknown.

    He likes to say; Do your job! That's a part of his job. He should practice what he preaches, because; he purely sucks at it. This isn't hard. This isn't rocket science. Throw them a couple of meaningless cookies and they can go back and say they did their job. Simple.

    I've had a best friend since 6th grade. Ornery as hell, but he would give you the shirt off his back (the problem there is that you asked for a pair of pants but he determined what you really need is a shirt; but that's another story). He used to own a restaurant. And he treated his help like crap. Talked down to them all the time. I told him one day; hey, if this tactic of yours is getting you more out of life, if it is enriching your life, keep it up. But in my travels if you crap on people every time without cause; if that's your one and only MO, then you get far less. For some reason from that day he was a changed man. And he seems a hell of a lot happier for it.

    I would say the same to BB. If this crusty, crap on the press style you use is enriching your life, keep it up (and keep in mind that many others pay a consequence for your actions in this). But as I said, in my travels the constant crapping doesn't bring more; it always brings less.

    Not to say that the occasional jabroni doesn't need to be crapped on. Wink




    wow...  Babe with a long thoughtful post.  keep it up.

    Agree with atj about the thread being better than most. ...

    Thing is I find myself agreeing with everbody on this .  At face value, BB talks a lot(comparatively) about the slot CB/S position as OP says and it is interesting.

    But then I agree with hurl that it is completely general and somewhat useless.  also agree that he uses this type of chatter to further alienate ot distance himself. 

    Further, if this is a smokescreen tactic to avoid talking about an actual player then it is funny and the joke is on everyone listening. 

    Talking about players undermines the team so he is correct to clam up.  he just does it so utterly bluntly that it's not like anyone else. 

     

     
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