Re: RAS I
posted at 3/26/2013 11:44 AM EDT
In response to PatsEng's comment:
In response to wozzy's comment:
In response to bredbru's comment:
"Saying the Pat's should have tested him for injury or done more towards due diligence is idiotic. "
your statement says a lot about lack of perspective. one could call your statement "idiotic".
the draft is nothing but making assessments and making judgemnets on talent, character, durability, etc.
pats whihffed on durability of ras i. (so far) maybe it will swing the other way on him. i hope it does.
you may be a little too flippant with our word choice.
You do realize these guys are playing football right, they're not playing pool.
Bo Jackson was the greatest, most durable athlete on the planet and his career ended in a heartbeat. Don't be so naive to think that even with a full medical history, all the state of the art modern medical techniques and the best trainers money can buy that one can avoid injury.
In Ras' senior year he fractured an ankle, how were they supposed to test for that, drill into his bone, take a core sample and run a density test?
He may never play, but that's how a first round talent slips down in the draft, there's a fair amount of gambling taking place with a pick like that or any pick for that matter. What if Marcus Cannon has a cancer relapse, or Armond Armstead's heart condition worsens, what if Dennard ends up in prison or Tom Brady gets his bell rung and loses all peripheral vision out his right eye and has to hang it up... there's no testing for bad luck.
Could they have made a safer pick there, could they have traded out; sure they could have, but you wouldn't see the results of said player until 3 years down the road at which point YOU would declare yourself an expert on all things draft related and hand down judgment.
Sorry if my flippancy seems idiotic to you, but it's not nearly as idiotic as trying to play god.
Wozzy, it wasn't just an ankle injury. Through his college career he had hamstring issues and knee issues. Those issues tend not to go away. A broken ankle is one thing and something you can't predict but if a players career is full of nagging mucles or joint issues it's fairly easy to say that those problems might plague their career. Sure you can't predict injures but the old saying injury prone is injury prone is true. Not sure why but guys who consistantly get injury, whether muscle or freak injures, tend to get injured a lot. That's where the term injury bug comes from. No one can explain it but it happens with certain players for really weird reasons (see Ellsbury). When a player in the draft has consistent nagging problems in college the odds are much greater they will continue in the pro's then not, so why take them with a high pick if it's a known issue to begin with? Well, unless the talent level far exceeds the pick they would be taken with (ie a top 10 pick you get with #33) but, with Ras that clearly wasn't the case as he was graded out as a late 1st round talent.
Agree. The term injury prone is for good reason. I don't think you gamble pick 33 on an injury prone player. The downside is too high here, and the expectation is you land a starter at 33, and, it doesn't necessarily take them 3-4 years to become one given where selected and the needs of the team. Rewind..we needed a starting cb when Ras was chosen , not a depth player. Clearly if this is the case, you don't gamble on an injury prone kid. Just makes sense.
Your examples are exactly my point. You gamble on a 5th, 7th or FA that doesn't get a huge amount of guaranteed money. You don't gamble with 33. So if cannon or Dennard wash out, no big deal. The capital to acquire was low vs the risk. Hernandez is a perfect example. Bb didn't draft him in round 2 or 3. He waited to 4. Mallett was a 1st round talent, but drafted in round 3. In both these cases the risk was acceptable given the capital expended. Both panned out.