Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from BabeParilli. Show BabeParilli's posts

    Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    These two teams had 5 games against teams the other team played. Let's compare. (2 games against a common opponent expressed as an average.) Both teams were 4-1 against these common opponents.

    Ravens:

    Ravens 29 Steelers 13.5 (avg. of 2 games)

    Ravens 34 Jets 17

    Ravens 24 Colts 10

    Ravens 14 Chargers 34


    Patriots:

    Pats 17 Steelers 25

    Pats 33.5 Jets 18.5 (avg. of 2 games)

    Pats 31 Colts 24

    Pats 35 Chargers 21


    Results:

    Ravens 25.25 Opponents 18.62

    Pats 29.125 Opponents 22.125

    The Ravens allowed 3.5 points less.

    The Pats scored 3.9 points more.

    Both teams scored about one TD more on average than their opponent.

    In the end it will probably come down to home field advantage with the Pats winning by one score.

    Pats 27 Ravens 24 sounds about right.








     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from agcsbill. Show agcsbill's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    Personally, I think the Pats will score more since the Ravens have not faced an offense of the caliber of the Pats this season.  The Texans offense is no where near like the Pats and the Ravens did not dominate them as it was mistakes by Yates that cost the Texans the game. If they couldn't get to Yates, how will it be that different against the Pats who have a more versatile passing attack.  On the flip side, surprisingly, the Ravens O is similar to the Broncos, both being rush orientated offenses with the Broncos being the #1 rushing O in the league.  If BB could plan a scheme that did what it did against the Broncos, I think he has a few things up his sleeve for the Ravens.
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from justme2. Show justme2's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    Discipline is the key against running teams. Flacco will not beat you with his legs. He'll be 5 yards behind the center. Bumm rush his @ss and sack'em. DON'T let them goat/bait you into stupid penalties. DON'T turn the ball over. 
     
  4. This post has been removed.

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from shenanigan. Show shenanigan's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    Everyone keeps saying how the Ravens match up well with the Patriots.  I don't see it.  You look at the Pats losses and they came agains good QB's.  Fitzpatrick, Roethlisburger, and Manning.  Yeah, those guys aren't megastars but BR and Fitzpatrick were the two best QB's in the AFC this year behind Brady and Manning was only behind Rogers and Brees. 

    The Pats have played some great defenses all year, including the carbon copy Ravens known as the Jets.  They beat top defenses like Miami twice, NYJ twice, the Eagles. 

    The Pats weakness has been pass defense, and good passing teams can exploit that.  Not the Ravens.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from TheGuyWithDaThing. Show TheGuyWithDaThing's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    Just gotta contain Rice and force Flacco into one or two mistakes on defense.
    No turnovers on offense, and keep the defense off the field on offense with a sound passing game, and the Pats will win this game.
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from modod. Show modod's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    I think the San Diego game is a good comparison. San Diego's D is weak against the pass and decent against the run. Result - 34-14 San Diego. San Diego got its starting receivers back from injury for that game and little problem with the Raven's D. So it would seem a team with a D that can control the running game and an O that can effectively pass should be able to control the game with the Ravens. That's why the opening line is 7+ for the Pats.
     
  8. This post has been removed.

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from agcsbill. Show agcsbill's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    In Response to Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.:
    I think the San Diego game is a good comparison. San Diego's D is weak against the pass and decent against the run. Result - 34-14 San Diego. San Diego got its starting receivers back from injury for that game and little problem with the Raven's D. So it would seem a team with a D that can control the running game and an O that can effectively pass should be able to control the game with the Ravens. That's why the opening line is 7+ for the Pats.
    Posted by modod

    Good post about the SD comparison.  I am certain the Ravens will walk into Foxboro with the same mindset as they did with SD - thinking they CAN stop the passing attack and run against a supposed weak D.  Also, there are way too many references in the mediato to 2009 with a TOTAL blank for the game the Pats won in Foxboro against these same Ravens in 10/2010!! In that game the Pats held the Ravens to less than 100 yards rushing and Brady had his worst game of the year that year! How can they forget that??!! Also, they are discounting BIG TIME what happened last Saturday....the talking heads just DO NOT want to accept the fact the Pats D HAS IMPROVED and are better than the stats these blowhards constantly quote.
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from zbellino. Show zbellino's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    In Response to Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.:
    Everyone keeps saying how the Ravens match up well with the Patriots.  I don't see it.  You look at the Pats losses and they came agains good QB's.  Fitzpatrick, Roethlisburger, and Manning.  Yeah, those guys aren't megastars but BR and Fitzpatrick were the two best QB's in the AFC this year behind Brady and Manning was only behind Rogers and Brees.  The Pats have played some great defenses all year, including the carbon copy Ravens known as the Jets.  They beat top defenses like Miami twice, NYJ twice, the Eagles.  The Pats weakness has been pass defense, and good passing teams can exploit that.  Not the Ravens.
    Posted by shenanigan

    This is spot on. But at the same time, Ne has been showing DMC at safety as well. DMC gave up an astounding 1004 yards at cornerback this season before the switch. That is usually outside the top 100 (!). But he has looked more solid at FS than anyone they've put back there these past two games. 

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from zbellino. Show zbellino's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    In Response to Ravens: Comparing common opponents.:
    These two teams had 5 games against teams the other team played. Let's compare. (2 games against a common opponent expressed as an average.) Both teams were 4-1 against these common opponents. Ravens: Ravens 29 Steelers 13.5 (avg. of 2 games) Ravens 34 Jets 17 Ravens 24 Colts 10 Ravens 14 Chargers 34 Patriots: Pats 17 Steelers 25 Pats 33.5 Jets 18.5 (avg. of 2 games) Pats 31 Colts 24 Pats 35 Chargers 21 Results: Ravens 25.25 Opponents 18.62 Pats 29.125 Opponents 22.125 The Ravens allowed 3.5 points less. The Pats scored 3.9 points more. Both teams scored about one TD more on average than their opponent. In the end it will probably come down to home field advantage with the Pats winning by one score. Pats 27 Ravens 24 sounds about right.
    Posted by BabeParilli

    Yeah. The Ravens beat Pitt twice, which influences it, but they did have the highest SOV in the AFC playoffs. They also had the worst road record 4-4.

    New England needs to be loud, New England needs to be uncomfortable for Flacco. 

    Merely playing at home increases New England's chances for succes in that they won't have to contend with Baltimore's own corwd noise, which surely aids their defense in creating confusion. 

     
  12. This post has been removed.

     
  13. This post has been removed.

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from TheGuyWithDaThing. Show TheGuyWithDaThing's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    My guess: the Ravens come out and try to send the house, and take their chances 1 on 1 with the receivers, with Ed Reed playing center field. Expect a lot of 4-5 man rushes.
     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from TFB12. Show TFB12's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    Stop Ray Rice and make Flacco beat them = Patriots Victory!
     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from CablesWyndBairn. Show CablesWyndBairn's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    A more telling bit of info more useful than head to heads is the fact that the Ravens lost to some pretty poor teams on the road this year.  They are not a good road team, and they got pasted by the Chargers less than a month ago.  I know it's one game, and people want to use the Pats' schedule as a reason why they're a paper tiger, but Baltimore has a lot to prove on the road.   
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from NEGAME2. Show NEGAME2's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    hurry up offense and wear those old guys down quickly

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from agcsbill. Show agcsbill's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    In Response to Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.:
    A more telling bit of info more useful than head to heads is the fact that the Ravens lost to some pretty poor teams on the road this year.  They are not a good road team, and they got pasted by the Chargers less than a month ago.  I know it's one game, and people want to use the Pats' schedule as a reason why they're a paper tiger, but Baltimore has a lot to prove on the road.   
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn

    The talking heads aren't paying attention to the games played as much as they are focusing on STATS!!  Many are hanging their hat on the statistical deficiencies of the Pats defense versus the Ravens and not much else.  They ignore the elephant in the room which is a vastly superior offense of the Pats, compared to the SD one that hung 34 on the Ravens in SD.  The Ravens offense is surprisingly similar, other than at QB, in terms of play style with the Broncos and we know what happened last week!
     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from LittleTimmy31. Show LittleTimmy31's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    The up-tempo offense with spreading out the recievers and the quick passing game will offset any blitz packages the Ravens can come up with leaving the monster Gronkowski and speedy one Hernandez to rack up serious yardage.

    On defensive side, multiple fronts and disguised blitzes will leave Flacco's head spinning causing many mistakes. Even if Rice does run for 150+ yards, that will not be enough to counter the 350+ yards and 3 - 4 td passes from TB.

    Pats by at least 10.

    34 - 17 Pats

    Go Pats!
     
  20. This post has been removed.

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from RallyC. Show RallyC's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    In Response to Ravens: Comparing common opponents.:
    These two teams had 5 games against teams the other team played. Let's compare. (2 games against a common opponent expressed as an average.) Both teams were 4-1 against these common opponents. Ravens: Ravens 29 Steelers 13.5 (avg. of 2 games) Ravens 34 Jets 17 Ravens 24 Colts 10 Ravens 14 Chargers 34 Patriots: Pats 17 Steelers 25 Pats 33.5 Jets 18.5 (avg. of 2 games) Pats 31 Colts 24 Pats 35 Chargers 21 Results: Ravens 25.25 Opponents 18.62 Pats 29.125 Opponents 22.125 The Ravens allowed 3.5 points less. The Pats scored 3.9 points more. Both teams scored about one TD more on average than their opponent. In the end it will probably come down to home field advantage with the Pats winning by one score. Pats 27 Ravens 24 sounds about right.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    Babe, thanks for the statistical comparison, but the only thing that matters here is how the PATS compare to the PATS. This team has finally gotten healthy. Even though they have won 9 straight now, this team had not been what we saw Saturday night. We have two starters return on a D that was barely holding it together with "bend, don't break". Though successful in the end, it doesn't raise anyone's excitement level for sure. Now, they are whole again. They have their best TEAM on the field. And, BB is unleashing what he had planned all along. He has brought his shrewdness to the next level. He understands that the Season is the qualification process to get here. Now the real season begins. I believe we will see another very convincing victory over the Ravens as Bill will unveil yet another element of surprise, likely more slight than the Hernandez display as the Superbowl is more imortant, that will keep the Ravens off balance. He has surpassed his greatness as an NFL head coach and is now an amazing scientist of the game. Combine that with his tactical ability to fight the war and you have a body of work that is astonishgly impressive at the end. The analysts and ex player coaches hate him for his genius and play it down all the time!
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from shenanigan. Show shenanigan's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    I think they need to weather the pass rush early on. Seen it a few times this year, a team comes out fresh and gets penetration and then by the second quarter or half they're gassed and Brady starts getting some time in the pocket. The only time I ever saw a team keep that intense pass rush up a whole game was the 07 Giants and they were an anomoly, Strahan set the record for sacks that year and the Pats offense relied to heavily on long developing routes. Brady needs to be ready to throw it away if the pocket collapses and Light really needs to bring his A game because there's nothing the QB can do if Suggs come into Brady's blind side untouched for a strip sack like the last playoff game. Say what you want about shotguns but there are a few advantages over just the better view from the QB. For one, the QB is ready to fire the ball as soon as its snapped instead of waiting 2 or 3 seconds til hes dropped back before hes ready to throw allowing him to get rid of it quicker and negate good pass rushes. Of course that's all dependent on the WR/TE/RB being able to get open in quickly. You look at 07 and it was Welker and Faulk on the short routes. Moss, Stallworth, Gaffney were best long and intermediate. Essentially all the Giants had to do was take away Welker and Faulk and the Pass rush would take the other guys out. Easier said than done but they had the players to do it. It's not that Moss or any other deep threat doesn't have value (they can beat a team with 3 or 4 catches a game) but you look at this year and how ell the Pats have done against good pass rushers like KC, MIA, DEN, Jets Blitzes and I think its all about getting rid of the ball before those guys get a chance to penetrate. When you go shotgun, Branch, Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, and Woody and you got 5 guys that can be open and catching the ball in 3 seconds. The defense may be able to take away 2, maybe 3 but they will have to leave someone in a favorable matchup and Brady will find that matchup 95% of the time. The Bonus is they can take those same people and bring them in, power run, split 2 out, 3, 4 out wide, whatever until they find the matchup they like.
     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from wozzy. Show wozzy's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    The regular season is not the post season, BB saved more bullets for the showdown than the Ravens did simply because we have more depth of talent. 

    If you don't think depth matters, consider that Pay-a-ton Manning never would have won a ring if not for Rodney Harrison breaking his forearm which allowed Dwight Clark to run wild in our secondary.

    Our defense is better, healthier, deeper than the regular season, that will be the difference.
     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from NY-PATS-FAN4. Show NY-PATS-FAN4's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    I usually like the strategy of deferring, but this is a game where, if the Pats win the opening coin flip, I hope they take the ball. Would hate to see Rice and the Ravens run 6 minutes off the clock while the Pats offense cools its jets. Brady and co. will be pumped coming out of the locker room; give them the ball and let them go score while they still have that adrenaline rush, and put the pressure on Flacco to match them.
     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from TFB12. Show TFB12's posts

    Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.

    In Response to Re: Ravens: Comparing common opponents.:
    hurry up offense and wear those old guys down quickly
    Posted by NEGAME2


    Exactly! 
     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share