Ray Edwards, Anyone?

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    Ray Edwards, Anyone?

         Edwards has just been released by the 8-1 Atlanta Falcons. He's had a horrible year, having recorded zero sacks, and just 9 tackles all season. But, he's shown in the past that he can be a competent pass rusher. Perhaps if teamed with Chandler Jones, he can regain his form. The Rob Ninkovich to DE experiment has failed. He's undersized, and is best suited as a 3-4 OLB. If Edwards isn't a head case, perhaps he's worth a shot?: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094334/article/ray-edwards-cut-by-atlanta-falcons-in-surprise-move; and http://www.nfl.com/player/rayedwards/2495833/profile

     
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         Edwards has just been released by the 8-1 Atlanta Falcons. He's had a horrible year, having recorded zero sacks, and just 9 tackles all season. But, he's shown in the past that he can be a competent pass rusher. Perhaps if teamed with Chandler Jones, he can regain his form. The Rob Ninkovich to DE experiment has failed. He's undersized, and is best suited as a 3-4 OLB. If Edwards isn't a head case, perhaps he's worth a shot?: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094334/article/ray-edwards-cut-by-atlanta-falcons-in-surprise-move; and http://www.nfl.com/player/rayedwards/2495833/profile

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    Rob Nink has been good at DE. I disagree with you on this one TexasPat

     
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    Edwards is listed at 8 poinds heavier than Nink (so the undersized argument is meh).  Edwards hasn't done squat since having knee surgery (i.e. last year and this year) and was cut for being lazy.  Nink has 5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles on the year.  As you noted Edwards has zero sacks, no forced fumbles and only 9 tackles.  No thanks.

     
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    Yes, replace Ninkovich with a guy who has done less on an overall better defense... That will fix things. 

     
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    Nink has a nose for the ball. A playmaker if you will. Edwards....... Not so much. 

     
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    I would bring Edwards in. I don't think NE will. 

    Nink is a backup, IMO. He started then was busted to backup late last season when they had two good DEs. 

    That said, he is a competent backup. 

     

     
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    I looked at Edwards' profile pic.  Bears an uncanny resemblance to Derrick Burgess.   

     
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    I would add, Edwards' problems are not just this year.

    He has 3.5 sacks in the last 2 seasons. That puts him at about Jermaine Cunningham level @ 2.5.

    Whether he can help the punchless left side of this defensive front four I doubt. 

     
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    I wanted the Pats to sign Edwards after the 10' season but Nink is a much better player overall this year. I don't know why people don't like Nink. Overall he's a solid player. He's strong against then run, is a heads up player, and will provide some pressure on pass rush. He won't give you stats that pop out but overall he's a solid dependable player. If I'm going to replace Nink it's not going to be for a one dimensional player past who's best days might be behind him (for one odd reason or another). For the right price I'd like to take a shot at Edwards but only as a situational pass rusher on 3rd downs to replace Nink, not as a starter to replace Nink.

    I would replace Nink if we could find an all around upgrade not just a pass rushing specialist who hasn't been a premier pass rusher in 2 seasons

     
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    Edwards is listed at 8 poinds heavier than Nink (so the undersized argument is meh).  Edwards hasn't done squat since having knee surgery (i.e. last year and this year) and was cut for being lazy.  Nink has 5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles on the year.  As you noted Edwards has zero sacks, no forced fumbles and only 9 tackles.  No thanks.

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         Edwards is 6'5", 268Lb: http://www.nfl.com/player/rayedwards/2495833/profile. Nink is 6'2", 260lbs.. Who do you think is more difficult to throw over? Wouldn't switching Nink back to an OLB add depth to the LB corp, and place Nink back to a position where he's played his best ball?  

     

     
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    I looked at Edwards' profile pic.  Bears an uncanny resemblance to Derrick Burgess.   

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         LOL!!! Point taken.

     
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    nink has had an amazing season this year!

     
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    TxPat what games have you watching? Niko has made plays and is a good pass rusher.

     
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    Edwards is listed at 8 poinds heavier than Nink (so the undersized argument is meh).  Edwards hasn't done squat since having knee surgery (i.e. last year and this year) and was cut for being lazy.  Nink has 5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles on the year.  As you noted Edwards has zero sacks, no forced fumbles and only 9 tackles.  No thanks.

    [/QUOTE] Plus 1! Ninko has been a good DE. i understand texas's point of view that he is undersized, but 4 FF 4 games in a row is called "play making"


     
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    I wanted the Pats to sign Edwards after the 10' season but Nink is a much better player overall this year. I don't know why people don't like Nink. Overall he's a solid player. He's strong against then run, is a heads up player, and will provide some pressure on pass rush. He won't give you stats that pop out but overall he's a solid dependable player. If I'm going to replace Nink it's not going to be for a one dimensional player past who's best days might be behind him (for one odd reason or another). For the right price I'd like to take a shot at Edwards but only as a situational pass rusher on 3rd downs to replace Nink, not as a starter to replace Nink.

    I would replace Nink if we could find an all around upgrade not just a pass rushing specialist who hasn't been a premier pass rusher in 2 seasons

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    I totally disagree with your opinion of Ninkovich. How can you say he is good against the run? Athletically he can't keep up with backs trying to get wide and if they run right at him he gets pushed back ten yards. As a pass rusher he gets his sacks off of the pressure Chandler provides on the other side when the QB literally falls right into his lap. He can't come close to beating tackles one on one and never mind what would happen if anyone bothered to double him.

    To me this is a guy that should be coming off of the bench as a backup, nothing more. I'm not saying Edwards is the answer - I just know Nink isn't.

     

     
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    As a pass rusher he gets his sacks off of the pressure Chandler provides on the other side when the QB literally falls right into his lap. He can't come close to beating tackles one on one and never mind what would happen if anyone bothered to double him.

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    Dude you are just making this up. 

    See here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VoWUapTxA

    And here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CqriCQG4BM

     

    He didn't even get the sack on this play because Mayo got there faster, but are you really going to argue he didn't beat his man here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPqchzYu-Ug

     

    And I dug those clips up in about 30 seconds of looking.  Ninkovich might not be a star, but he gets wayyyyy too much crap from people on this board.  Just to be clear I thought he had a particularly poor game this past Sunday, but he was not alone in that regard.

     
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    I thought Ninko has been one of the bright spots on D this season.

     
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    I know he was having a bad year and I am surprised.  Dimitrioff must have seen something and I am sure BB can simply ask why he was released, but I knew them overpaying him last year when he left Minny wouldn't work.  He wanted to get paid and now it backfired. One of Dimitrioff's rare mistakes.

    If healthy, sure, work him out and use him as a subrusher.

    Another reason why it's moronic to spend to the cap like HUrlie and his buddies think like to whine about here like 10 year olds.  LOL

    I'd be shocked if they know how balance a budget or plan ahead financially.

     

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    Tell me something, why do we need seven million right now under the cap when Brady's best days are melting away? You realize that when they sign someone to the active roster, they then cut a guy OFF the roster. Who and how can they spend 7 million on right now? This guy Edwards would probably take up a million of cap space if signed...tops. And most much less than that at this point - these guys are working at Walmart right now if they're not in the league...we need millions to sign the remaining stiffs? The good players are long long gone now dumbo.

     
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    As a pass rusher he gets his sacks off of the pressure Chandler provides on the other side when the QB literally falls right into his lap. He can't come close to beating tackles one on one and never mind what would happen if anyone bothered to double him.

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    Dude you are just making this up. 

    See here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VoWUapTxA

    And here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CqriCQG4BM

     

    He didn't even get the sack on this play because Mayo got there faster, but are you really going to argue he didn't beat his man here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPqchzYu-Ug

     

    And I dug those clips up in about 30 seconds of looking.  Ninkovich might not be a star, but he gets wayyyyy too much crap from people on this board.  Just to be clear I thought he had a particularly poor game this past Sunday, but he was not alone in that regard.

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    I'll give you the first highlight as a good play. The second one the QB got flushed deep on his drop (good team pass rush) against one of the worst offensive lines in football. I'm not saying he is not a good backup - I just don't think he's a starter. Parcells said today that NE needs another edge rusher...I'm assuming he's talking about replacing Nink with a better player and not Chandler.

    People argue that unless a guy is headed for the hall of fame I'm not happy with the guy. I mean it goes both ways here - I swear a player would have to drop his pants and take a big dump in the middle of the field for some people to consider them NOT good players. There's got to be some middle ground somewhere, right?

     
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     The Rob Ninkovich to DE experiment has failed ????????

    bullshlt !!!!  look at the guy #`s.... 

     TACK 31   SACK 5.0    FF 4  FR 2  STF1 for 4 yards...

     

     

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         Edwards has just been released by the 8-1 Atlanta Falcons. He's had a horrible year, having recorded zero sacks, and just 9 tackles all season. But, he's shown in the past that he can be a competent pass rusher. Perhaps if teamed with Chandler Jones, he can regain his form. The Rob Ninkovich to DE experiment has failed. He's undersized, and is best suited as a 3-4 OLB. If Edwards isn't a head case, perhaps he's worth a shot?: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094334/article/ray-edwards-cut-by-atlanta-falcons-in-surprise-move; and http://www.nfl.com/player/rayedwards/2495833/profile

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    Ninkovich has been anything but a failure.  I think he's played extraordinarily well at times and has been said really does have a nose for the ball.  Calling him a failure when he's second on the team in sacks with 5 doesn't make much sense to me.

     
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    Nink has been an overacheiver. Pulling him out now would be a mistake.

     

    Thanks, but no thanks to Mr. Edwards.

     
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    I wanted the Pats to sign Edwards after the 10' season but Nink is a much better player overall this year. I don't know why people don't like Nink. Overall he's a solid player. He's strong against then run, is a heads up player, and will provide some pressure on pass rush. He won't give you stats that pop out but overall he's a solid dependable player. If I'm going to replace Nink it's not going to be for a one dimensional player past who's best days might be behind him (for one odd reason or another). For the right price I'd like to take a shot at Edwards but only as a situational pass rusher on 3rd downs to replace Nink, not as a starter to replace Nink.

    I would replace Nink if we could find an all around upgrade not just a pass rushing specialist who hasn't been a premier pass rusher in 2 seasons

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    I totally disagree with your opinion of Ninkovich. How can you say he is good against the run? Athletically he can't keep up with backs trying to get wide and if they run right at him he gets pushed back ten yards. As a pass rusher he gets his sacks off of the pressure Chandler provides on the other side when the QB literally falls right into his lap. He can't come close to beating tackles one on one and never mind what would happen if anyone bothered to double him.

    To me this is a guy that should be coming off of the bench as a backup, nothing more. I'm not saying Edwards is the answer - I just know Nink isn't.

     

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    It's easy, watch the games. He sets his edge and lets the LB's behind catch the RB's on the corner. That's his job and the job of any good run stopping DE. You don't have to run a 4.3 to be good against the run on the edge, you are moving at most 5-10yrds with a blocker infront of you. Your entire job is to maintain the edge and prevent them from cutting inside or cutting to the edge to quickly before the LB and CB have a chance to get there. If you watch the games when they typically run to Nink's side the RB has to cut almost completely out to the numbers in order to get any room to run. That's how I can say he's been good. Stats aren't the only determining factor for a player. You actually have to look at the affect they cause around them. Yes he's getting a benifit from Jones, but last year without Jones he had 6.5 sacks and the year before in a semi-sub role had 4 sacks so it's lazy to say all his pressure is coming from Jones. Obiviously Nink has some natural pass rushing ability. He's not an elite pass rusher which won't get him the stats but he's a solid all around pass rusher.

    BTW 4 ints in 2 years and 4 fumbles this year isn't a fluke either which is pretty good for his position

     
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    I wanted the Pats to sign Edwards after the 10' season but Nink is a much better player overall this year. I don't know why people don't like Nink. Overall he's a solid player. He's strong against then run, is a heads up player, and will provide some pressure on pass rush. He won't give you stats that pop out but overall he's a solid dependable player. If I'm going to replace Nink it's not going to be for a one dimensional player past who's best days might be behind him (for one odd reason or another). For the right price I'd like to take a shot at Edwards but only as a situational pass rusher on 3rd downs to replace Nink, not as a starter to replace Nink.

    I would replace Nink if we could find an all around upgrade not just a pass rushing specialist who hasn't been a premier pass rusher in 2 seasons

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    I totally disagree with your opinion of Ninkovich. How can you say he is good against the run? Athletically he can't keep up with backs trying to get wide and if they run right at him he gets pushed back ten yards. As a pass rusher he gets his sacks off of the pressure Chandler provides on the other side when the QB literally falls right into his lap. He can't come close to beating tackles one on one and never mind what would happen if anyone bothered to double him.

    To me this is a guy that should be coming off of the bench as a backup, nothing more. I'm not saying Edwards is the answer - I just know Nink isn't.

     

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    It's easy, watch the games. He sets his edge and lets the LB's behind catch the RB's on the corner. That's his job and the job of any good run stopping DE. You don't have to run a 4.3 to be good against the run on the edge, you are moving at most 5-10yrds with a blocker infront of you. Your entire job is to maintain the edge and prevent them from cutting inside or cutting to the edge to quickly before the LB and CB have a chance to get there. If you watch the games when they typically run to Nink's side the RB has to cut almost completely out to the numbers in order to get any room to run. That's how I can say he's been good. Stats aren't the only determining factor for a player. You actually have to look at the affect they cause around them. Yes he's getting a benifit from Jones, but last year without Jones he had 6.5 sacks and the year before in a semi-sub role had 4 sacks so it's lazy to say all his pressure is coming from Jones. Obiviously Nink has some natural pass rushing ability. He's not an elite pass rusher which won't get him the stats but he's a solid all around pass rusher.

    BTW 4 ints in 2 years and 4 fumbles this year isn't a fluke either which is pretty good for his position

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    That's a fair assessment. But I think this defense needs either dramatically superior defenders behind their existing pass rush, or one more great pass rusher. Nink isn't great. He was a better run defender when they had him playing OLB, imo. He hasn't been great setting an edge this season, not to me. 

     

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