really, bandwagon babies

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    all this complaining about free agent signings.  You all know how the patriots do business and you were happy when they won championships, now that they have fallen a little bit your off the bandwagon.  Only one team a year wins the super bowl and it takes some luck and talent.  Spoiled little brats you have turned into.  Easy to question the plan when you only win division titles instead of super bowls.   Your not smarter then BB, so shut your pie hole and cheer the team on, like a good fan.  Apparently, some of you miss the big picture and thats to bad.       
     
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    if your wondering the big plan is rebuilding an aging dynasty while still being competitive every year.  You can't sign 30 year old vets and do this.  Effective drafts last year, this year and the year after will yield the talent and salary cap room to build that 5 year run again.  Too early to call chung, or butler or any guy from the past two drafts a bust.  Some guys explode right away others take time.  so chill out enjoy the success the pats have had and know in two years the dynasty starts up again, but until then you will have to be happy with a playoff team.
     
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    Does it get cold up on that soap box?  Obviously not much O2 up there.
     
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    if your wondering the big plan is rebuilding an aging dynasty while still being competitive every year.  You can't sign 30 year old vets and do this.  Effective drafts last year, this year and the year after will yield the talent and salary cap room to build that 5 year run again.  Too early to call chung, or butler or any guy from the past two drafts a bust.  Some guys explode right away others take time.  so chill out enjoy the success the pats have had and know in two years the dynasty starts up again, but until then you will have to be happy with a playoff team.
    Posted by hagen910


    Oh, stop! People are complaining because unless you were in a cave last season the Pats have ALOT of holes that they failed to address last year due to poor FA signings and draft picks, as well as releasing players with what looks like on the surface, a lack of a plan. Now it looks like more of the same. Letting Bodden walk, releasing Baker, Watson will walk, yet they sit there and let player after player go elsewhere. Whos' goiong to fill those holes?? Scrap heap players?? Folks are frustrated.
     
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    BB needs to nail this draft with all these picks we have lined up...........or it will the beginning of the end in Foxboro for him.........its beginning to catch up with him..........

     
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    good call smorgan86. 
     
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    In Response to Re: really, bandwagon babies : Oh, stop! People are complaining because unless you were in a cave last season the Pats have ALOT of holes that they failed to address last year due to poor FA signings and draft picks, as well as releasing players with what looks like on the surface, a lack of a plan. Now it looks like more of the same. Letting Bodden walk, releasing Baker, Watson will walk, yet they sit there and let player after player go elsewhere. Whos' goiong to fill those holes?? Scrap heap players?? Folks are frustrated.
    Posted by smorgan86


    Well said steamer!
     
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    Pats need to rebuild quickly to take advantage of Brady. The window will close soon and if they want more Superbowl rings they need to get active.

     
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    people are tired of the Patriots looking for talent in late November...........they better have a plan in place......Bradys window is closing.........we a need a wr bigtime............not David Patten...........They need to keep Bodden here..the secondary can't take another year of changes.............
     
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    Ahh? did you watch the Raven playoff game?  This team is in need of some serious help on both the O and D lines not to mention RB,WR, OLB, S,.....
     
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    We have every right to be frustrated - if we were "real" bandwagon fans in the truest definition of the word - we wouldnt be here talking about the team - as bandwagon fans would only around when the team is doing well.  The team is obviously doing lousy lately - yes they've won their AFC East championships, but after not winning a superbowl in over 5 years (yeah, we're a little spoiled) we want results.  I think MOSTLY last years draft and free agent signings have most of us frustrated - and we're getting tired of Bill's "cheap" persona - which by the way isnt a persona - he is cheap - lets see who we can get off the scrap heap this year!
     
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    Only team in modern NFL to win 9+ games for 9 years.  They were bound to have a down year eventually, right?
     
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    I would have LOVED for them to take Clay Matthews - we could have had him - what a shame....
     
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    Only team in modern NFL to win 9+ games for 9 years.  They were bound to have a down year eventually, right?
    Posted by Physics


    That's exactly what some SF fans were saying in the early 90's.  Losing doesn't just happen.  Like winning there's a lot of thought, planning and strategizing behind it.
     
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    Ahh? did you watch the Raven playoff game?  This team is in need of some serious help on both the O and D lines not to mention RB,WR, OLB, S,.....
    Posted by harleyroadking103

    You forgot offensive co. and defensive co, and 8 new cheerleaders, im getting tired of the old ones
     
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    In Response to Re: really, bandwagon babies : That's exactly what some SF fans were saying in the early 90's.  Losing doesn't just happen.  Like winning there's a lot of thought, planning and strategizing behind it.
    Posted by Tcal2


    Except, I dont see this Patriots team as 'trying' to lose or 'planning' to lose in a long-term sense. What I see is very much a different beast... I think this is a team designed around the philosophy that teams that get into the playoffs have esentially an equal shot of winning the Super Bowl, so the goal should be to win your division and get in to the playoffs. If you are always making the playoffs, this implies that if it truly is more a bit of 'luck' and random noise (no real home field advantage any more, etc) come playoff streakiness, you likely win/make a super bowl once every 6-8 years (first round byes having some say, etc.).  

    In that sense, if that is their attitude about only putting out a product just good enough to consistently compete to get 'in', I really am not in a position to say it isn't 'working'. Sure, they didn't 'win' the Super Bowl in 2007, but they made the Super Bowl and were within 2 minutes of winning... Point is, the way I see it, they need to make the playoffs 3 more years without winning a Super Bowl before I worry about this sort of law of averages philosophy 'not working' (and even then, you can look at the Detroits at 14 times, no SB, or the Browns, as the real 'outliers' on the other side of this sort of curve)... If you are always just trying to make the playoffs, good result seem to follow... so the lesson seems to be, just get in. Get in 8 times, you probably win the SB at least once out of those 8 times.

    I'm sure there is probably some smart stat guy who has worked this sort of thing out before... 
     
     
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    some valid arguements, but every team has holes.  Peppers will be a bust, no thanks and karlos dansby is a good player,but not a difference maker.  For all you crying out there about free agents and how many holes the patriots have the best way is the draft period.  And for those crying about bad drafts, don't include the last two years, its to early.  Its possible tyrone mckenzie becomes a stud this year and chung, brace, bulter will make huge strides in their second year.  You have to give players at least 3 years before calling them a bust.  not everybody starts out gangbusters like mayo did.  asante samuel took 4 years to develop into a star CB.  Yes is is frustrating watching good players leave or free agents sign with other teams.  frankly, I don't like any of them.  Now the restricted ones is a different story.  Brady has at least 5 more seasons left in him
     
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    all this complaining about free agent signings.  You all know how the patriots do business and you were happy when they won championships, now that they have fallen a little bit your off the bandwagon.  Only one team a year wins the super bowl and it takes some luck and talent.  Spoiled little brats you have turned into.  Easy to question the plan when you only win division titles instead of super bowls.   Your not smarter then BB, so shut your pie hole and cheer the team on, like a good fan.  Apparently, some of you miss the big picture and thats to bad.       
    Posted by hagen910



    CAn you believe all the pink-hat babies out there......it hasn't even been 24 hours into free agency and they are all spoiled......
     
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    if your wondering the big plan is rebuilding an aging dynasty while still being competitive every year.  You can't sign 30 year old vets and do this.  Effective drafts last year, this year and the year after will yield the talent and salary cap room to build that 5 year run again.  Too early to call chung, or butler or any guy from the past two drafts a bust.  Some guys explode right away others take time.  so chill out enjoy the success the pats have had and know in two years the dynasty starts up again, but until then you will have to be happy with a playoff team.
    Posted by hagen910
    it was the 30 year old vets that won those rings.
     
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    Hey guess what there`ll be a free agent class next year (eg: featuring players younger than Peppers). And we have two first rounders. We could essentially draft the next Peppers or Ware next year with the Raiders pick and a hard rookie cap.  That`s just intelligence whereas signing an aging linemen to a long term (more than 4  years) contract is not smart thinking at all. The Pats Brass has to nail some draft picks this year and next. Agreed. I am not surpised that we did not get Bolden or Peppers. Slightly surprised Dan Snyder wasn`t involved.
     
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    I don't see it all being bandwagons. I've followed the Pats since the early 90's but this offseason so far has been overlly frustrating mainly because we've never had this many holes and losing so many starters in one of season. here's a quick list:

    UFA's lost/losing:

    Starting RG
    Starting RT
    Starting RDE
    Starting ROLB
    Starting #2 WR
    ALL TE's
    Best RB (Faulk)
    Starting #1 CB
    Starting P

    RFA's:

    Starting K
    Starting LG

    Needs improvement:

    RB (all)
    Pass Rush (both 3rd DE and OLB)
    Starting CB's
    Center (Koppens good but need someone to open holes up the middle)

    I mean that's just an insane amount of starters to be losing. That alone jumps at you that you either need to resign players or need to be aggresive and plug a couple of those holes early in FA. Instead we are seeing other teams improve and the top FA's being taken off the board fast in a weak FA to begin with. We cannot plug all those holes with Draft picks. We'd be lucky to get a couple starters at best from the picks. BB's track record over the last couple years with bargain FA's has been horrible so you must forgive us if we get frustrated when we see players who could help the team go elsewhere. Let me tell you this though unless we get a couple talented FA's who are experienced starters soon they will be gone quick and our team will be looking far worse then it did last year.
     
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    I don't see it all being bandwagons. I've followed the Pats since the early 90's but this offseason so far has been overlly frustrating mainly because we've never had this many holes and losing so many starters in one of season. here's a quick list: UFA's lost/losing: Starting RG Starting RT Starting RDE Starting ROLB Starting #2 WR ALL TE's Best RB (Faulk) Starting #1 CB Starting P RFA's: Starting K Starting LG Needs improvement: RB (all) Pass Rush (both 3rd DE and OLB) Starting CB's Center (Koppens good but need someone to open holes up the middle) I mean that's just an insane amount of starters to be losing. That alone jumps at you that you either need to resign players or need to be aggresive and plug a couple of those holes early in FA. Instead we are seeing other teams improve and the top FA's being taken off the board fast in a weak FA to begin with. We cannot plug all those holes with Draft picks. We'd be lucky to get a couple starters at best from the picks. BB's track record over the last couple years with bargain FA's has been horrible so you must forgive us if we get frustrated when we see players who could help the team go elsewhere. Let me tell you this though unless we get a couple talented FA's who are experienced starters soon they will be gone quick and our team will be looking far worse then it did last year.
    Posted by PatsEng


    so your theory is overpay for average free agents because we lost some players and have wholes and do it in the first 24hrs of free agency or you stink.  great idea your a real football brain trust.  have some patience and faith in your team.
     
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    In Response to Re: really, bandwagon babies : so your theory is overpay for average free agents because we lost some players and have wholes and do it in the first 24hrs of free agency or you stink.  great idea your a real football brain trust.  have some patience and faith in your team.
    Posted by hagen910


    No I don't but name who is going to replace them all? The talent pool in the FA is drying up quick and we'll need to overpay average players just to fill the holes if this keeps up. You don't understand this isn't a deep FA pool to begin with and the draft ain't going to fill all the holes so the longer we go without finding replacements the more we'll have to pay for aging vets or second stringers. Faith has nothing to do with it plugging the holes with younger vets who have starting experience does.
     
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    This team has holes, yes.  But the Pats cannot possibly sign every free agent star that's out there.  Gimme a break guys, did anyone really think they were gonna sign Peppers before getting Wilfork done?  Now they'll turn their attention to Brady and will add a few mid-level free agents to the roster, hopefully including Lee Bodden and some of their other free agents.  

    They can't land every big name out there.  It's called building a roster, not collecting stars.   Some guys will get the big bucks quickly, and everyone else will come back to earth.    
     
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    Too many people are living in the past. This team has gotten old and is not nearly as good as it was in the early and mid 2000s. The drafts far not been as good, the FA signings have not been as good. So why shouldn't people be worried. I am still very happy being a Pats fan and for all of the success we hae enjoyed over the past 10 years, but I am also realistic and can see that some of the magic that BB had has gone away. Change is needed and yes at many positions.
     
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