Reiss roster projections

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    Reiss roster projections

    Examining the New England Patriots' roster:


    QUARTERBACKS (3)


    Tom Brady
    Ryan Mallett
    Jimmy Garoppolo


    Might be the best quarterback depth chart, from top to bottom, in Bill Belichick's 15 years as coach.


    RUNNING BACKS (4)
    Shane Vereen
    James White
    Brandon Bolden


    Jonas Gray


    The Patriots are always good for a surprise, and we've had our antenna up at this position since early July. If there's a surprise, we'll play a hunch at this spot with Stevan Ridley, whose low snap total Friday (11 snaps) in a "dress rehearsal" game caught the eye. Meanwhile, Roy Finch lands on the practice squad.


    FULLBACKS (1)
    James Develin


    The Patriots are relying on him a lot, given their shortage at tight end.


    TIGHT ENDS (2)
    Rob Gronkowski
    Michael Hoomanawanui


    A position to monitor on the waiver wire and in free agency to see if any options present themselves, similar to last year with Matthew Mulligan.


    WIDE RECEIVERS (6)
    Aaron Dobson
    Julian Edelman
    Danny Amendola
    Kenbrell Thompkins
    Brandon LaFell
    Josh Boyce


    Last week, we had Brian Tyms making the club but not counting against the 53-man roster because of his four-game suspension to open the season. But the fact he hasn't received any playing time with Tom Brady has me rethinking that scenario. I wonder if Boyce could generate any trade interest from teams who might have been high on him in the 2013 draft. Assuming there's nothing there, it feels generous to keep him based on his training camp and preseason performance, but the depth might be needed, especially with a thinner tight-end situation. But one thing to consider is that he is practice-squad eligible.


    OFFENSIVE LINEMEN (10)
    LT Nate Solder
    LG Logan Mankins
    C Ryan Wendell
    RG Dan Connolly
    RT Sebastian Vollmer
    LT/RT/RG Marcus Cannon
    LG Josh Kline
    C Bryan Stork
    RT Cameron Fleming
    OT/G Jordan Devey


    The feeling here is that the Patriots' best line to start the season is the one they finished with in 2013, which isn't probably the way they planned it to go, in part because of Stork's injury that has sidelined him since the fifth day of training camp. Sixth-round pick Jon Halapio would wind up on the practice squad in this scenario, which would make this writer look foolish for declaring him a sure-fire lock back in July. The hope would be to have him clear waivers and land on the practice squad.


    DEFENSIVE LINEMEN (9)
    DT Vince Wilfork
    DT Dominique Easley
    DT Chris Jones
    DT Sealver Siliga
    DE Chandler Jones
    DE Rob Ninkovich
    DE Michael Buchanan
    DT Joe Vellano
    DE Zach Moore


    Moore has been improving and the feeling here is that the sixth-round pick from Concordia-St. Paul wouldn't make it through to the practice squad. If things unfold this way, the Patriots probably hope that Jerel Worthy will.


    LINEBACKERS (5)
    Jerod Mayo
    Dont'a Hightower
    Jamie Collins
    Chris White
    Darius Fleming


    A little thin at this spot. Banking on Steve Beauharnais, James Morris and Ja'Gared Davis clearing waivers and being top options to land on the practice squad.


    CORNERBACKS (6*)
    Darrelle Revis
    Brandon Browner*
    Kyle Arrington (slot)
    Alfonzo Dennard
    Logan Ryan
    Malcolm Butler


    Because Browner is suspended for the first four regular-season games, he won't count against the initial 53-man roster limit. But he is included here because he is obviously a significant part of the team's overall planning for the 2014 season. Butler, an undrafted free agent from West Alabama, is the surprise story of the preseason.


    SAFETIES (4)
    Devin McCourty
    Duron Harmon
    Nate Ebner
    Patrick Chung


    The toughest decision was between Chung and Tavon Wilson, and perhaps they both stick -- or both go. The reason Chung gets the nod is that there's a chance Wilson could still stick on the practice squad if he clears waivers, based on new eligibility rules.


    SPECIALISTS (4)
    K Stephen Gostkowski
    P Ryan Allen
    LS Danny Aiken
    ST Matthew Slater


    Things are looking settled here as specialists had a highlight Friday with Gostkowski's 60-yard field goal.


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    I think Bolden is out and Ridley is in.

     
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    Reiss is not wavering with his surprise cut of Ridley but I think Ridley is a lock. He's the best rusher on the team. There are going to be some tough cuts.

     
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    I would still be surprised if Ridley is gone. 

    Things will possibly change between now and week five as an injury or performance could make all the difference to Tyms. I wonder whether he should make it anyway. 

     
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    Ridley runs violently... he has tremendous collisions and just that alone will be the impetus for a bigger chance to fumble.

    I'm with msteven Bolden is out and Ridley is in.

    Just a hunch but I think Butler goes and T. Wilson stays.

     
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    No way Bolden stays over Ridley. Unless BB gets a sweet deal on a trade ala TRich to Indy.

    "I swear it upon Zues the most exceptional runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler"  Socrates

     
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    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

    Ridley runs violently... he has tremendous collisions and just that alone will be the impetus for a bigger chance to fumble.

    I'm with msteven Bolden is out and Ridley is in.

    Just a hunch but I think Butler goes and T. Wilson stays.



    If Butler goes, I'll eat my hat

     
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    If Ridley goes and James White stays man-o-man am I missing something.  I've not really see White do much of anything here.  I see Ridley staying, Bolden going and Finch staying over White.   Why? Just a hunch.  Butler over Wilson - hmm, interesting.

     
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    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

    Ridley runs violently... he has tremendous collisions and just that alone will be the impetus for a bigger chance to fumble.

    I'm with msteven Bolden is out and Ridley is in.

    Just a hunch but I think Butler goes and T. Wilson stays.



    Four CBs is not enough. One gets hurt and they're scouring the waiver wire and not likely to find one as good as Butler, who will get picked up, probably by Rex. Wilson, on the other hand, would probably go unclaimed and make it to the PS.

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    Examining the New England Patriots' roster:

     

    QUARTERBACKS (3)

     

    Tom Brady
    Ryan Mallett
    Jimmy Garoppolo

     

    Might be the best quarterback depth chart, from top to bottom, in Bill Belichick's 15 years as coach.




    Haha. What's up Rkarp.

     

    Don't you think 2001 might have to take that prize. Anytime Drew Bledsoe in his prime is coming to back up Tom Brady, you are doing alright. But I do like how good Jimmy G looks. 

     
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    In response to Muzwell's comment:

    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

    Ridley runs violently... he has tremendous collisions and just that alone will be the impetus for a bigger chance to fumble.

    I'm with msteven Bolden is out and Ridley is in.

    Just a hunch but I think Butler goes and T. Wilson stays.



    Four CBs is not enough. One gets hurt and they're scouring the waiver wire and not likely to find one as good as Butler, who will get picked up, probably by Rex. Wilson, on the other hand, would probably go unclaimed and make it to the PS.



    Perhaps Butler stays for 4 weeks and then goes when Browner returns. Based on the thinness at LB I think they will keep extra safeties for their sub packages. The safeties in question Wilson, Ebner and Chung all play on ST's so my guess is 2 of those 3 will stay. I could be wrong but we shall see soon enough.

     

     
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    Id replace Ebner with T.Wilson. Besides maybe special teams Ebner is totally useless. 

     

     

     

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    I just checked out ProFootballFocus's top preseason players over the first three weeks.  Preseason ratings are badly skewed by whether a player was playing against starters or third stringers, and sometimes whether a veteran got much time at all on the field.  For what it's worth, here's who stood out for New England.

    #1 in the NFL, by a mile, at wide receiver:  Tyms.  Tyms may be sitting for four weeks but if he's not playing in week five, 20 or more NFL teams will want a look at him.

    #2 in the NFL at offensive tackle:  Cameron Fleming.  Now that's a fourth round pick!

    #3 in the NFL at running back:  Finch.  In my opinion, ProFootballFocus has lousy metrics that don't take enough off for fumbles.  Other than the fumbles, Finch put up a good number of missed tackles and ran like crazy.

     

     
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    I really only have 3 questions:

    1st - Gray and Bolden over Ridley? I know fumbles drives BB nuts but if he cuts the best pure runner on the team for a JAG backup and a rook who has shown as much as that JAG backup (but with some upside) then to me that's a fundamental flaw in the feeling zero fumbles but not nearly as effective running is more important than a fumble every 4 games but a much more effective running game. Bolden is not even a BJGE, so downgrading that much because of a couple fumbles is going backwards not forwards.

    2nd - Why not just keep Tyms around? Doesn't hurt the roster and after week 4 it's much easier for him to pass through waivers for PS duty (which I believe is allowed with the new rules)

    3rd - Why Vellano? He hasn't shown much and I think BB is much more endeared with Worthy as a player he liked in the draft and looked just as good as Vellano in his 1 preseason game so far. Just wondering why the love for Vellano over someone with more potential in Worthy who you traded for.

    The rest I think Reiss is dead on about but those questions I do have to wonder. My surprise cut would be Mallett. To me it's clear, Garp is going to be the better QB long term, he looks comfortable out there, and really if Brady goes down I don't think there is much difference if Garp is in there vs Mallett so why waste the roster spot? Lose Mallett and keep an extra S, LB, RB, or DL

     
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    In response to zbellino's comment:

    In response to rkarp's comment:

    Examining the New England Patriots' roster:

     

    QUARTERBACKS (3)

     

    Tom Brady
    Ryan Mallett
    Jimmy Garoppolo

     

    Might be the best quarterback depth chart, from top to bottom, in Bill Belichick's 15 years as coach.




    Haha. What's up Rkarp.

     

    Don't you think 2001 might have to take that prize. Anytime Drew Bledsoe in his prime is coming to back up Tom Brady, you are doing alright. But I do like how good Jimmy G looks. 



    I was always partial to Vinny T and Kosar

     
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    In response to Paul_K's comment:

    I just checked out ProFootballFocus's top preseason players over the first three weeks.  Preseason ratings are badly skewed by whether a player was playing against starters or third stringers, and sometimes whether a veteran got much time at all on the field.  For what it's worth, here's who stood out for New England.

    #1 in the NFL, by a mile, at wide receiver:  Tyms.  Tyms may be sitting for four weeks but if he's not playing in week five, 20 or more NFL teams will want a look at him.

    #2 in the NFL at offensive tackle:  Cameron Fleming.  Now that's a fourth round pick!

    #3 in the NFL at running back:  Finch.  In my opinion, ProFootballFocus has lousy metrics that don't take enough off for fumbles.  Other than the fumbles, Finch put up a good number of missed tackles and ran like crazy.

     



    Tyms does not know the play book well enough and has zero understanding on read option. PS is a good spot for him all year

    Ditto Fleming. Should not ay a snap in the NFL this year, but in 3 years could be a starting T

     
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    I think Wilson stays.  My surprise cut would be Slater.  Hard to keep Wilson and Ebner if Slater stays.  All three are special teams players.  Wilson has not looked as bad a Chung.

     
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    Reiss is not wavering with his surprise cut of Ridley but I think Ridley is a lock. He's the best rusher on the team. There are going to be some tough cuts.




    Yes, which is why I think 3 QB is a waste of 1 very valuable roster spot.

     
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    In response to msteven's comment:

    I think Wilson stays.  My surprise cut would be Slater.  Hard to keep Wilson and Ebner if Slater stays.  All three are special teams players.  Wilson has not looked as bad a Chung.




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    I can't agree with that. Slater is consistently voted as one of the top STers in the league. If you are keeping a player for his ST ability (which BB loves his STers) you keep one of the best in the league over STers you hope don't see the field in backup duty

     
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    Ebner must have pictures of BB with Rusty

     
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    In response to msteven's comment:

    I think Wilson stays.  My surprise cut would be Slater.  Hard to keep Wilson and Ebner if Slater stays.  All three are special teams players.  Wilson has not looked as bad a Chung.




    Slater is an All-Pro caliber ST player, I'd be absolutely shocked if he got whacked.

     
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    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:

    In response to msteven's comment:

    I think Wilson stays.  My surprise cut would be Slater.  Hard to keep Wilson and Ebner if Slater stays.  All three are special teams players.  Wilson has not looked as bad a Chung.




    Slater is an All-Pro caliber ST player, I'd be absolutely shocked if he got whacked.



    As would I.  He is truly an impact player on ST.

     
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    Reiss has probably heard a thing or two about how the team is shaping up.  I can easily see Ridley getting cut but a trade would be better.  He is powerful but teams are gunning for him.  To my eyes, his effort to hold on to the ball has slowed him down a bit.  Finally, this is a walk year and BB won't resign him anyways (think BJGE and Danny Boy).  A Bolden/Gray combo can probably hold the fort.

    Chris Jones is a JAG! Vellano, too.  I'm really surprised that Kelly got cut for these guys.  If the Kelly cut means that Worthy has shown something, shouldn't he make the final 53 and the other mutts go to the PS?  There's also the theory that BB is building for the future.  YUK!  The future is right now, today.

    I like Tyms much more than Boyce.  He'll get scooped if exposed to waivers but Boyce will go through waivers without a sniff.

    I'd cut Mallet and slot JG for the #2 QB.  Just keep a pool of QBs in the Rolodex.  Without Brady, we're sunk anyways.

    Final thought is that the LBs look real weak after the starters.

     
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    Not sure Ridley is the best we have.  If so, that's not saying much for our backs.

    Look at it this way, when he does run, it's against normally a weak run D as most teams are more afraid of the pass.  He's only had two runs for 30 yards in 3 years.  That's pretty poor.  He can't catch a cold.

    Putting that all together, I'm not sure it's worth all the fumbles, some of which cost us games.

    Might be time to give someone else a try.  Grey, Vereen, White and ???? with devlin, may be enough.

       He won't be here next year.


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    In response to NoMorePensionLooting's comment:


    In response to digger0862's comment:


    Reiss is not wavering with his surprise cut of Ridley but I think Ridley is a lock. He's the best rusher on the team. There are going to be some tough cuts.





    Yes, which is why I think 3 QB is a waste of 1 very valuable roster spot.



    Agree with this, you take a chance. To lose Ridley and keep Mallet hurts the team. Ridley contributes now. Mallet you just don't know. Jimmy G, about same position.

     
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