Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    The guy who has got to be shaking his head is Brady. 

    I've just gained some respect for him and pity him as well. 

    Its pretty clear that he was sold a bill of goods by Kraft to allow NE to restructure his contract.  I admire Brady a great deal for his loyalty, but he obviously hasn't learned very well that this is still a business. 

    He took a low deal on his second contract and the pats dealt Branch.  Now he takes a low deal on this contract and the pats deal Welker.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me. 

     



    Do you honestly think that BB persuaded Tom into taking this extension that would reduce the cap hit in the coming years by promising him Wes would stay?  Do you really think that Tom had no idea what was going on behind the scenes and that if Wes didn't accept the original offer then the Pats would move on to Plan B?  You are a complete moron for jumping to conclusions thinking that BB is some evil manipulator trying to ruin Tom's career and acting like he doesn't have a plan.  Please leave this board.  Your passive aggressive and disingenuous posts are not needed.  Seriously.  

     



    LOL.  Says the young man from the school in the prestigious ACC.  You'd think Brady was somewhat in the know.  Then again, there are reports that Brady is upset with the result.  Didn't Kraft say earlier this week that he wanted Wes to be a patriot for life?  Is this all just public posturing? 

    Nothing passive aggressive or disingenuous here.  I think the pats failed their fans, Brady, and Welker, and based on the compensation paid to Amendola, they appear to have done it for no good reason. 

     
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    I think the pats failed their fans, Brady, and Welker, and based on the compensation paid to Amendola, they appear to have done it for no good reason. 



    Yes locking up a younger player (you might recall the Pats had one of the oldest WR corps in the NFL last year) at a decent price (only 10 million guaranteed) who believe it or not has a slightly different skill set than Wes means that NE failed the fans and Brady.  This move isn't without risk, but to pretend it is for no good reason is nonsense.  You are such a troll.

     
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    I think the pats failed their fans, Brady, and Welker, and based on the compensation paid to Amendola, they appear to have done it for no good reason. 

     



    Yes locking up a younger player (you might recall the Pats had one of the oldest WR corps in the NFL last year) at a decent price (only 10 million guaranteed) who believe it or not has a slightly different skill set than Wes means that NE failed the fans and Brady.  This move isn't without risk, but to pretend it is for no good reason is nonsense.  You are such a troll.

     



    Well look - I am going by what I have read on this board for quite some time. 

    You guys really didn't have a problem letting Welker go if you could get Amendola, but that was entirely based upon the premise that Welker would be asking for the moon and the injury prone Amendola would be comparatively cheap. 

    That didn't happen.  The pats signed Amendola for a bigger contract that Welker.  Now you can float your 10 vs. 12 mill, but until we know what Amendola's 1st and 2nd year are we really don't know whose is less for that period and regardless there's no way to slice that Amendola is comparatively cheap. 

    So what is the "good reason" for letting Welker go for less per annum than they've paid the oft injured Amendola? 

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    Just for the record, Al Jazerra is a news outlet, not a terrorist organization.  Right now, their top story is about the Pope.  

     




    So is Pravda. You are on ignore!!!!

     



    That's right better to ignore opinions that don't mesh with your own.  Those of us who prefer knowledge to willful ignorance, however, understand that Al Jazeera is exactly what we'd like to see more of in the Middle East, not less.

     
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    Samuel - Who has replaced him? I know what they spent to try to replace him

     

    • Bodden (FA)
    • Butler (2nd)
    • McCourty (1st)
    • Ras-I (2nd)
    • Webster (FA)
    • Sanders (FA)
    • Byrant (FA)
    • Wheatley (2nd)
    • Springs (FA)
    • Talib (trade)

    Seymour - Who has replaced him?

    • G Warren
    • Haynesworth
    • Ellis
    • Fanene

    I would say that those moves haunted the Pats since they are still looking for replacements. Add up all the spent to replace them and compare to what it would have cost to keep them



    Something for those who think the Pats' approach is pure genius to think about. There's a downside to the strategy as well as an upside.

     

     
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    Just for the record, Al Jazerra is a news outlet, not a terrorist organization.  Right now, their top story is about the Pope.  

     



    lol guy can't even spell Al Jazeera, never mind know what it is. i just ignore little rush limbaugh jr.

     

     



    No, but I can spell *ZZHOLE and that is what you are!!!!

     



    I thought I was on ignore. Couldn't help peeking, I guess.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    Danny AmendolaDanny Amendola ‏@DannyAmendola

    Blessed. Thankful. Excited to get to work. Go Pats.



    Yeah...until he gets hurt.....AGAIN

     
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    Danny AmendolaDanny Amendola ‏@DannyAmendola

     

    Blessed. Thankful. Excited to get to work. Go Pats.

     



    Yeah...until he gets hurt.....AGAIN

     



    Thats not fair to some here.  They are poppin SOMA like they are sweet tarts to get rid of their unpure pats thoughts.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    So what is the "good reason" for letting Welker go for less per annum than they've paid the oft injured Amendola? 



    He is younger.  Believe it or not that actually means something.  Have you noticed that the Patriots WRs of late have all been old.  There is something in the NFL called planning for the future.  It might be the same per annum, but he is under team control for longer while still giving the team flexibility to get rid of him if it doesn't work.  Amendola is a bit bigger and has more straight line speed than Wes meaning he can potentially give the Pats a bit more on the outside.  We already have 2 TEs that work the middle of the field exclusively.  They traded the durability of Welker for the youth, upside and versatility of Amendola.  It might not work, but to pretend there were no good reasons is just blatant trolling which is par for the course when it comes to most of your commentary here.

     
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    The guy who has got to be shaking his head is Brady. 

    I've just gained some respect for him and pity him as well. 

    Its pretty clear that he was sold a bill of goods by Kraft to allow NE to restructure his contract.  I admire Brady a great deal for his loyalty, but he obviously hasn't learned very well that this is still a business. 

    He took a low deal on his second contract and the pats dealt Branch.  Now he takes a low deal on this contract and the pats deal Welker.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me. 

     



    Do you honestly think that BB persuaded Tom into taking this extension that would reduce the cap hit in the coming years by promising him Wes would stay?  Do you really think that Tom had no idea what was going on behind the scenes and that if Wes didn't accept the original offer then the Pats would move on to Plan B?  You are a complete moron for jumping to conclusions thinking that BB is some evil manipulator trying to ruin Tom's career and acting like he doesn't have a plan.  Please leave this board.  Your passive aggressive and disingenuous posts are not needed.  Seriously.  

     

     



    LOL.  Says the young man from the school in the prestigious ACC.  You'd think Brady was somewhat in the know.  Then again, there are reports that Brady is upset with the result.  Didn't Kraft say earlier this week that he wanted Wes to be a patriot for life?  Is this all just public posturing? 

     

    Nothing passive aggressive or disingenuous here.  I think the pats failed their fans, Brady, and Welker, and based on the compensation paid to Amendola, they appear to have done it for no good reason. 



    I don't understand why you think you're taking a jab at me when mocking me for answering a question of where I go to school.  Frankly, it speaks volumes about your  maturity level.  Inferiority complex?  What great school did you attend, old-timer?  What job do you hold now?

    Anyways, if you're going to take a report seriously which stated Tom was "beyond enraged", merely minutes after Wes left, then you are beyond naive.  The report was supposedly describing what Tom's "friend" felt about Wes's departure.  It was nothing but typical media garbage trying to get hits at the time of the news release.  Grow up.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    Just for the record, Al Jazerra is a news outlet, not a terrorist organization.  Right now, their top story is about the Pope.  

     




    So is Pravda. You are on ignore!!!!

     

     



    That's right better to ignore opinions that don't mesh with your own.  Those of us who prefer knowledge to willful ignorance, however, understand that Al Jazeera is exactly what we'd like to see more of in the Middle East, not less.

     

    "Those of us who prefer knowledge to willful ignorance, however, understand that Al Jazeera is exactly what we'd like to see more of in the Middle East, not less."



    in media period.

    and your peferred ignorance statement is right on

     
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    Samuel - Who has replaced him? I know what they spent to try to replace him

     

    • Bodden (FA)
    • Butler (2nd)
    • McCourty (1st)
    • Ras-I (2nd)
    • Webster (FA)
    • Sanders (FA)
    • Byrant (FA)
    • Wheatley (2nd)
    • Springs (FA)
    • Talib (trade)

    Seymour - Who has replaced him?

    • G Warren
    • Haynesworth
    • Ellis
    • Fanene

    I would say that those moves haunted the Pats since they are still looking for replacements. Add up all the spent to replace them and compare to what it would have cost to keep them

     



    Something for those who think the Pats' approach is pure genius to think about. There's a downside to the strategy as well as an upside.

     

     



    point

     
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    Just for the record, Al Jazerra is a news outlet, not a terrorist organization.  Right now, their top story is about the Pope.  

     




    So is Pravda. You are on ignore!!!!

     

     



     I dislike Ricky and tend to disagree with PS, but comparing one of the most respected news networks probably only second to CNN to Pravda is very silly. Also you are going to block PS just for that? Come on.

     



    cnn is pure packaged and sold propaganda

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    List the FAs that have left here and that have come back to haunt the Patriots?  They have been to 5 superbowls and, even though outplayed by the Giants in one if not both, they could have won but for a handful of plays.  That's "working out", they make heartless decisions to let guys like Seymour, Law, McGinest, Samuel and others go and, by and large, still manage to field a competitive team.  Look what happened when Manning went down.  Your team "lucked" into Luck.  Good for you.  The Pats can't keep everbody, they never have, and I thought he point was pretty obvious.  

     

    They made a call on Welker, and no matter how you try to portray it, it's their MO to let guys walk.  Most here are sad to see Welker go.  Most here look at the Pats' ability to stay in the hunt and accept that BB and the Pats FO have always been like this.  We don't have to like it, it's not entirely justifiable, but the sky is not falling and BB hasn't grown devil horns.  If it makes you feel better as a fan of another team to think they are weakened, then so be it.  The Colts have let plenty of guys go (James, Addai, Manning, and maybe Freeney -- plus others) that were integral to their success.  It's part of the game, and you can't conveniently skirt around it and argue "but it's different with Welker".  Irsay can cry all the tears he wants and pat Manning on the Butt when he boards the plane to Denver, but business is business. 

     



    Samuel - Who has replaced him? I know what they spent to try to replace him

     

    • Bodden (FA)
    • Butler (2nd)
    • McCourty (1st)
    • Ras-I (2nd)
    • Webster (FA)
    • Sanders (FA)
    • Byrant (FA)
    • Wheatley (2nd)
    • Springs (FA)
    • Talib (trade)

    Seymour - Who has replaced him?

    • G Warren
    • Haynesworth
    • Ellis
    • Fanene

    I would say that those moves haunted the Pats since they are still looking for replacements. Add up all the spent to replace them and compare to what it would have cost to keep them



    +1

     
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    Samuel - Who has replaced him? I know what they spent to try to replace him

     

    • Bodden (FA)
    • Butler (2nd)
    • McCourty (1st)
    • Ras-I (2nd)
    • Webster (FA)
    • Sanders (FA)
    • Byrant (FA)
    • Wheatley (2nd)
    • Springs (FA)
    • Talib (trade)

    Seymour - Who has replaced him?

    • G Warren
    • Haynesworth
    • Ellis
    • Fanene

    I would say that those moves haunted the Pats since they are still looking for replacements. Add up all the spent to replace them and compare to what it would have cost to keep them

     



    Something for those who think the Pats' approach is pure genius to think about. There's a downside to the strategy as well as an upside.

     

     

     



    point

     



    Point, but what exactly did Seymour or Samuel do for the team the past two SB's?  Oh yeah, they weren't here.  I get what you guys are saying about trying to replace Seymour and Samuel.  They didn't, but the team has done ok.  They chose to pay Wilfork over Seymour, and wasn't Seymour turned into Solder?   Not every BB move is genius, but it's not like this team hasn't been in the SB mix.

    And I personally don't feel like we need to be lectured to by a Colts fan about loyalty when they sent off the face of their franchise, with big smooches or otherwise, same thing.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    Wes tried to play poker with BB, and BB already held the winning hand. had the new guy signed up already.

     

    In BB we trust. No go get us some 6'5 WRs too.

     
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    The guy who has got to be shaking his head is Brady. 

    I've just gained some respect for him and pity him as well. 

    Its pretty clear that he was sold a bill of goods by Kraft to allow NE to restructure his contract.  I admire Brady a great deal for his loyalty, but he obviously hasn't learned very well that this is still a business. 

    He took a low deal on his second contract and the pats dealt Branch.  Now he takes a low deal on this contract and the pats deal Welker.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me. 

     



    Do you honestly think that BB persuaded Tom into taking this extension that would reduce the cap hit in the coming years by promising him Wes would stay?  Do you really think that Tom had no idea what was going on behind the scenes and that if Wes didn't accept the original offer then the Pats would move on to Plan B?  You are a complete moron for jumping to conclusions thinking that BB is some evil manipulator trying to ruin Tom's career and acting like he doesn't have a plan.  Please leave this board.  Your passive aggressive and disingenuous posts are not needed.  Seriously.  

     

     



    LOL.  Says the young man from the school in the prestigious ACC.  You'd think Brady was somewhat in the know.  Then again, there are reports that Brady is upset with the result.  Didn't Kraft say earlier this week that he wanted Wes to be a patriot for life?  Is this all just public posturing? 

     

    Nothing passive aggressive or disingenuous here.  I think the pats failed their fans, Brady, and Welker, and based on the compensation paid to Amendola, they appear to have done it for no good reason. 

     



    I don't understand why you think you're taking a jab at me when mocking me for answering a question of where I go to school.  Frankly, it speaks volumes about your  maturity level.  Inferiority complex?  What great school did you attend, old-timer?  What job do you hold now?

     

    Anyways, if you're going to take a report seriously which stated Tom was "beyond enraged", merely minutes after Wes left, then you are beyond naive.  The report was supposedly describing what Tom's "friend" felt about Wes's departure.  It was nothing but typical media garbage trying to get hits at the time of the news release.  Grow up.



    Poor guy.  I'll take it a little easier on you next time.  Apparently you can dish it out but you can't take it.  Ok.  Talk about maturity. 

    Anyway, there's a new report out from Brady's camp saying that contrary to Kraft's public statement that his restructured contract is ironclad, they don't think so. 

    This is certainly something you wouldn't expect from the player who leads the pats and the patriot way. 

    Typically the media doesn't just make stuff up.  They may "enhance".  Some one might say he's upset and they turn it into he's pissed, but generally their information comes from somewhere. 

     
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    The guy who has got to be shaking his head is Brady. 

    I've just gained some respect for him and pity him as well. 

    Its pretty clear that he was sold a bill of goods by Kraft to allow NE to restructure his contract.  I admire Brady a great deal for his loyalty, but he obviously hasn't learned very well that this is still a business. 

    He took a low deal on his second contract and the pats dealt Branch.  Now he takes a low deal on this contract and the pats deal Welker.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me. 

     



    Do you honestly think that BB persuaded Tom into taking this extension that would reduce the cap hit in the coming years by promising him Wes would stay?  Do you really think that Tom had no idea what was going on behind the scenes and that if Wes didn't accept the original offer then the Pats would move on to Plan B?  You are a complete moron for jumping to conclusions thinking that BB is some evil manipulator trying to ruin Tom's career and acting like he doesn't have a plan.  Please leave this board.  Your passive aggressive and disingenuous posts are not needed.  Seriously.  

     

     



    LOL.  Says the young man from the school in the prestigious ACC.  You'd think Brady was somewhat in the know.  Then again, there are reports that Brady is upset with the result.  Didn't Kraft say earlier this week that he wanted Wes to be a patriot for life?  Is this all just public posturing? 

     

    Nothing passive aggressive or disingenuous here.  I think the pats failed their fans, Brady, and Welker, and based on the compensation paid to Amendola, they appear to have done it for no good reason. 

     



    I don't understand why you think you're taking a jab at me when mocking me for answering a question of where I go to school.  Frankly, it speaks volumes about your  maturity level.  Inferiority complex?  What great school did you attend, old-timer?  What job do you hold now?

     

    Anyways, if you're going to take a report seriously which stated Tom was "beyond enraged", merely minutes after Wes left, then you are beyond naive.  The report was supposedly describing what Tom's "friend" felt about Wes's departure.  It was nothing but typical media garbage trying to get hits at the time of the news release.  Grow up.

     



    Poor guy.  I'll take it a little easier on you next time.  Apparently you can dish it out but you can't take it.  Ok.  Talk about maturity. 

     

    Anyway, there's a new report out from Brady's camp saying that contrary to Kraft's public statement that his restructured contract is ironclad, they don't think so. 

    This is certainly something you wouldn't expect from the player who leads the pats and the patriot way. 

    Typically the media doesn't just make stuff up.  They may "enhance".  Some one might say he's upset and they turn it into he's pissed, but generally their information comes from somewhere. 



    It's very telling how you didn't answer any of my questions. Hahaha so you're an unemployed, old, miserable hick living in Indy who obsesses over the Patriots and trolls their fan board 24/7.  Sweet life, buddy!

     
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    The guy who has got to be shaking his head is Brady. 

    I've just gained some respect for him and pity him as well. 

    Its pretty clear that he was sold a bill of goods by Kraft to allow NE to restructure his contract.  I admire Brady a great deal for his loyalty, but he obviously hasn't learned very well that this is still a business. 

    He took a low deal on his second contract and the pats dealt Branch.  Now he takes a low deal on this contract and the pats deal Welker.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me. 

     



    Do you honestly think that BB persuaded Tom into taking this extension that would reduce the cap hit in the coming years by promising him Wes would stay?  Do you really think that Tom had no idea what was going on behind the scenes and that if Wes didn't accept the original offer then the Pats would move on to Plan B?  You are a complete moron for jumping to conclusions thinking that BB is some evil manipulator trying to ruin Tom's career and acting like he doesn't have a plan.  Please leave this board.  Your passive aggressive and disingenuous posts are not needed.  Seriously.  

     

     



    LOL.  Says the young man from the school in the prestigious ACC.  You'd think Brady was somewhat in the know.  Then again, there are reports that Brady is upset with the result.  Didn't Kraft say earlier this week that he wanted Wes to be a patriot for life?  Is this all just public posturing? 

     

    Nothing passive aggressive or disingenuous here.  I think the pats failed their fans, Brady, and Welker, and based on the compensation paid to Amendola, they appear to have done it for no good reason. 

     



    I don't understand why you think you're taking a jab at me when mocking me for answering a question of where I go to school.  Frankly, it speaks volumes about your  maturity level.  Inferiority complex?  What great school did you attend, old-timer?  What job do you hold now?

     

    Anyways, if you're going to take a report seriously which stated Tom was "beyond enraged", merely minutes after Wes left, then you are beyond naive.  The report was supposedly describing what Tom's "friend" felt about Wes's departure.  It was nothing but typical media garbage trying to get hits at the time of the news release.  Grow up.

     



    Poor guy.  I'll take it a little easier on you next time.  Apparently you can dish it out but you can't take it.  Ok.  Talk about maturity. 

     

    Anyway, there's a new report out from Brady's camp saying that contrary to Kraft's public statement that his restructured contract is ironclad, they don't think so. 

    This is certainly something you wouldn't expect from the player who leads the pats and the patriot way. 

    Typically the media doesn't just make stuff up.  They may "enhance".  Some one might say he's upset and they turn it into he's pissed, but generally their information comes from somewhere. 

     



    It's very telling how you didn't answer any of my questions. Hahaha so you're an unemployed, old, miserable hick living in Indy who obsesses over the Patriots and trolls their fan board 24/7.  Sweet life, buddy!

     



    Mob - The difference between you and me is that I don't need nor have I ever felt the need to tell everyone who I am, where I was schooled, or what my job is in order to validate my opinion or myself.  You did that.  That's why you've been called out.   

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to Quagmire3's comment:

    Wow according to Reiss today he says that The Pats were tired of waiting and actually had a deal with DA prior to WW signong with the Broncos? Very good read here.

    Yet even after Welker received a two-year, $12 million offer from the Broncos on Wednesday, a call was made to the Patriots to see if the club would sweeten its offer. The Patriots did not have an immediate response, which led some in Welker's camp to believe a better offer was a possibility in part to keep him away from the Broncos, one of their top competitors in the AFC. Ultimately, the club informed Welker and his representatives that they had entered into another commitment, which Welker's camp assumed all along was Amendola.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9050742/2013-nfl-free-agency-new-england-patriots-quickly-shifted-wes-welker-danny-amendola

    The stunning events that led to receiver Wes Welker signing with the Denver Broncos on Wednesday, and the New England Patriots filling the void with Danny Amendola, came down quickly behind the scenes, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

    The breaking point came Tuesday in the mid-afternoon before the official start of free agency, when the Patriots and Welker's representatives halted contract talks. The team's offer, a two-year, $10 million pact with incentives that could have pushed it as high as $16 million but in the eyes of Welker would be extremely difficult to reach, wasn't accepted.

    At that point, Welker and his representatives intensified their pursuit of other offers, and it helped that some groundwork had previously been laid with the Broncos. Likewise, the Patriots turned their attention to Amendola, who was their top choice if things didn't work out with Welker (and in the eyes of some on the other side of the negotiating table their top choice all along).

    Things came together quickly with the Patriots and Amendola on a five-year, $31 million deal with $10 million guaranteed, and at that point, there was no looking back for the team. While the Patriots would have been pleased if Welker accepted their proposal -- owner Robert Kraft said Monday that he hoped Welker would retire as a Patriot -- the possibility of losing him and Amendola was deemed too risky, so they moved close to locking in the deal with Amendola not long after free agency began Tuesday.

    After almost a year of on-and-off talks, had the Patriots felt they were closer to a possible agreement with Welker, perhaps they wouldn't have pushed so hard for Amendola at that point. But it was a stalemate that the club felt showed no signs of resolving itself -- the Patriots ready to move on, and Welker slowly but not completely becoming more comfortable envisioning himself catching passes from Peyton Manning instead of Tom Brady.

    This is how it often works in free agency, with timing of the essence. Patriots coach Bill Belichick regularly says that he makes decisions in the best interests of the team, and in the 27-year-old Amendola he saw a quick, sure-handed target who was five years younger than Welker and committing to a lengthy five-year term. If it couldn't be assured that Welker would be back at a contract the team was comfortable with, the Patriots were willing to move on at that point with a player whom offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels had worked with in St. Louis in 2011.

    Yet even after Welker received a two-year, $12 million offer from the Broncos on Wednesday, a call was made to the Patriots to see if the club would sweeten its offer. The Patriots did not have an immediate response, which led some in Welker's camp to believe a better offer was a possibility in part to keep him away from the Broncos, one of their top competitors in the AFC. Ultimately, the club informed Welker and his representatives that they had entered into another commitment, which Welker's camp assumed all along was Amendola.

    So Welker called the Broncos -- who, according to a source, were initially concerned about insulting Welker with their offer because they already had made other financial commitments -- and told them he was on board. While not the offer he was hoping for at the start of free agency, it was easier for Welker to accept it from a team other than one that he'd produced at such a high level for over the past six seasons, the source said.

    The initial response that Welker received from Manning, executive vice president of football operations John Elwayand others in the organization has been "a great feeling" and given him greater comfort in making the move.

    "Elway told him that he wants him to be himself and have fun doing it," the source said.

    Welker, who agreed to the deal without visiting Broncos headquarters, is scheduled to travel to Denver on Thursday morning. He had interest from another AFC team offering two years and closer to $15 million, which was the top contract proposal Welker received in a market that didn't unfold the way he and his representatives envisioned, but he didn't pursue it because the club isn't viewed as a contender. The Broncos, who visit the Patriots in 2013, are one of the AFC's top contenders, which was important to Welker.

    The turn of events was stunning when considering that the Patriots and Welker had been close on a three-year contract last summer. The gap was about $1 million at that time, according to one source, but neither side would budge.

    Since that time, sources from both sides indicated that finding common ground was a challenge. On one side was the feeling that Welker's camp would only accept a three-year term at an average of $8 million per season. On the other side was a belief that the Patriots had basically made one offer and in recent weeks weren't willing to tweak the incentives to try to make them more reasonable to reach.

    As for how Welker's departure has been received by quarterback Tom Brady, who last month restructured his contract in order to provide more salary cap flexibility to help the Patriots build a better team, a source who had direct contact with Brady said he is "bummed out." Welker hasn't just been Brady's go-to receiver, he's also one of his closest friends.

    But Brady has been through this before, going back to 2003 when safety Lawyer Milloy, one of his closest friends on the team, stunningly was released about a week before the season opener. In 2006, Brady was stung by receiver Deion Branch being traded to the Seattle Seahawks. Brady has said in recent years that if he could make the personnel decisions, all of his friends would remain on the team.

    But that's just not the way it works in New England, where Belichick has never been afraid of making an unpopular move, and his relative success in doing so -- and the franchise's consistent winning ways -- has earned him leeway with a passionate fan base that often refers to the motto "In Bill We Trust."

    Yet moving away from the 31-year-old Welker, especially considering the surprisingly low financial terms, could put that to the test. Welker, whom Brady referred to as the "heart and soul" of the team in 2012, was one of the franchise's most beloved players.

    So this qualifies as one of the riskier moves of Belichick's 13-year tenure, as he replaces a known commodity who was the epitome of reliable and durable with Amendola, a talented player with more long-term upside who has been limited to 12 games over the past two seasons because of injuries.

    When it comes to X's and O's, part of Belichick's confidence in taking such a risk is the history of production with slot receivers in the team's offense. Before Welker, fan favorite Troy Brownalso put up big numbers in the slot. It's no disrespect to Brown and Welker, two talented players, but Belichick has noted that part of the function of New England's offense sets that position up for big production.

    Welker proved that, as no NFL receiver caught more passes over the past six seasons. Now he'll be catching them in Denver, a surprising turn of events that came down quickly with the door closing even as he gave the team one final chance to sweeten its offer.

    By that point, the Patriots had moved on to Amendola, a decision that sent shockwaves throughout the region.



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