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posted at 8/12/2010 12:19 PM EDT
The Jets traded up for Keller and lost position in that draft. Yes.Jets Trade Up, Draft Dustin Keller
"The New York Jets sent a 2nd and 4th round picks to the Green Bay Packers to move back into the 1st round.
The Jets used the 29th pick on Purdue h-back Dustin Keller, a converted wide receiver who may or may not have seen a blocking sled during his career.
Keller enjoyed a meteoric rise up NFL draft boards after a scintillating workout at the Combine in February, and supplanted USC's Fred Davis as the top tight end in the minds of many draftniks. Keller is useless playing on the line, and I expect the Jets to use him much in the same manner as Indianapolis uses Dallas Clark. "
This guy had 3 TDs from Favre and 2 from Sanchez. lol
1st rd pick who can't block and has a #1 run game and that is his production? That's terrible. Even Ben Watson was better than that.
Looks like July, not "may or June".
In fact, it was just recently announced. Good thing the brokers stepped up and gambled. lol
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Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!
posted at 8/12/2010 12:29 PM EDT
Whether Revis gets his big contract or not it would benefit the Pats. The best case scenario for the Jets was that he played and practiced with the Jets under his current contract. -
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posted at 8/12/2010 12:42 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!:Point taken, i am not a moron and there is no need for that. You make a valid point he is most likely holding out because he shut everyone down last year. But come on man Ryan pumping him up the way he did might have played a small part in it. But you are right even if it was a small part of it, its not enough to blame him 100% so I take that back. And I have to say no, I dont sweat the Ravens, I dont sweat anyone. Teams have bad days and that playoff game was the worst I have ever seen the Pats play in the playoffs but I am able to move on, if you win the game you move on, if you lose the game you move on. Do you sweat the Dolphins for beating you twice last year? Or the Colts? I doubt it cause you have faith in your team so why do you expect any different from me? The Ravens are a very good team and I like them from top to bottom and if they beat us next year I will give them my respect but I do not sweat them, I dont not sweat the Jets and i definitely dont sweat individual players like Revis. Football is a team sport thats why i love it, thats why i coach cause its a team sport so i dont sweat one guy over the other cause this is not basketball one guy does not win a football game so with or with out Revis im sure the Jets will be tough to beat but i dont sweat them the same way you dont sweat the Pats.
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posted at 8/12/2010 12:47 PM EDT
"One guy does not win a football game". But "we got BB and TB", so you win it with 2 guys. I'm sure the rest of the Pats will be glad to hear it. I coached in H.S. and the only level at which winning it with one guy would be anything but the Pros. You can get away with it at the other levels. From Pop Warner to H.S. -
Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!
posted at 8/12/2010 1:17 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!:This is your reply? lol I'll take that as a backpedal. I find it funny you think BB hasn't set up a process to build teams here successfully, while you think Tannebaum and Ryan have. Why you think Tannenboob and Ryan have accomplished this is beyond everyone here. Go read any of the Pats books out there about business, economics, relationships, etc, especially Pats Management Secrets Volumes 1 and 2, and you'll see how bad a future the Jets have. Gimmicks and talk to try to disguise holes in the infrastructure has never worked in any industry. Ever. You realize that without a PSL deal in some of these seats, this means the potential for games to be blacked out, correct? Unless Woody Johnson pulls back from those seats needing to PSLs, which is highly unlikely, he's risking potential black outs for your home games. It should be interesting if he leaks them out to brokers before the games in order to make sure they sell out.
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posted at 8/12/2010 1:19 PM EDT
Would that be Ace Tickets the Sox use to proclaim sellouts. Inquisitive minds need to know. -
Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!
posted at 8/12/2010 1:40 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!:here is where I stand on this, Dustin Keller is off the charts good. I would bet in a few years he is the best TE in football so that was a great move by the rat Mangini and Mr T. Shaun Greene is dirty good if healthy but that if healthy part is a big if. He was never healthy in college for a full year which most guys can say the same and last year had health issues too. Good pick if he pays off And Sanchez might not be the guy you are looking for this year IMO but I think in the long run he will be a play maker for the Jets. I dont know if he is smart enough to make his reads at the LOS but Big Ben s*cks at that and he has two rings so who knows. With that said I think both franchises have drafted well the last few years, i give credit where credit is due. Whodat saying the Pats will be irrelevant is laughable though. I understand he wants to *piss people off but lets be real here, the Pats went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at the helm and a aging defense. I am pretty sure with a young up and coming D and Tom Brady this team will be just fine. This is a tough div, the Jets are tough and the Phins are tough and the Pats are tough. Be real about it man dont just be a Leon.
Posted by MVPkilla4life
Wowser how much of a wager are we talking about here? I would bet that the best TE's in the game over the next 3 years will be:
1. Jermichael Finley
2. Dallas Clark...still
2.5 Antonio Gates...still
3. Brent Celek
4. Zack Miller...Jason Campbell security blanket
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posted at 8/12/2010 3:26 PM EDT
Hey guys! Did you hear?
Today's Breaking News with the J-E-T-S revolves around Rexie-poo vowing to not address the Revis situation with the media!!!
Wow!
Thanks, Rex for announcing what every other normal franchise would be doing.
You are on the ball! Good thing you moved camp up to Cortland for less distractions!
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posted at 8/12/2010 4:21 PM EDT
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Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!
posted at 8/12/2010 5:34 PM EDT
Im sorry to go off topic , LOL but Ill just put my 2cents in about Revis. Who is a very good player , but not a great one yet. Again I think hes a very good player , but overrated in terms of all the attention hes getting. The jets did a great job at collapsing the pocket last year , sending many guys from different postions. They played great team D. Im sorry , but you lose points in my book if you think Revis makes that D go. No CB is worth 100 million , are we even having this convo? The guy has had ONE , count 'em LOL or it , ONE very good year. And this isnt some homer talking , yea I live/die Boston sports , but Im not some fanboy loser who slurps anything Boston sports. It blows my mind how some of you are all over this guy. Almost everyone on that jets D had their best season and again they played great team D. The guy is cashing in because of all the slurping everyone has done including his coach , who btw is becoming closer and closer to a cartoon. And to all you know nothings who call him a " shutdown CB " , well you need to get a clue. I LOL when I read the first post of this thread. Something like , "Revis is the only CB that can shutdown Moss" , really? Do you guys just watch sportscenter and call it a day. Heres a FACT for you. Revis was across from 81 77 X's last year. How many times did he cover 81 on true man coverage? 7 TIMES , only 7 times did he play Randy one on one. Thats not my opinion , thats fact! Again this guy had tons of help because of the pressure the jets got up front. Even at 33 Moss would DESTROY any CB that played him just one on one. I was at the first pats/jokes game last year in NJ and saw 81 beat him about 70% of the time. I wanted to get a second opinion so I watched Playbook and NFL matchup , both show you parts of the all 22 tape and I was right. Randy won about 65-70% of the matchups that day. Problem was that 12 was eating dirt all day! He was HIT 21 times , Im sorry , but no WR is having a good day when their QB is hit 21 times , and obviously thats not including pressure. In the second game the jokes wanted to double 81 , so 12 hit 83 up for 192. And btw Randy did have a bad back and seperated shoudler .. lets not forget. Listen Im not trying to discredit what this guy did , but he doesnt played WR's one on one , sorry but he doesnt. You want to watch someone who does , then watch Nnamdi , who plays in a 1970's style Raiders D , whos forced to play true man. Lets see how he plays when everyone on the jets doesnt have career years. And lets see him do this year after year , then you can call him a great player. -
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posted at 8/12/2010 6:48 PM EDT
I have to agree as well , I cant understand why you would say that about Key? He was what he was , he wasnt going to give you 10 plus TDs a year , but he was a very good all around WR. He'd catch everything thrown to him and at least in my lifetime theres only been 1-2 guys that have gone over the middle like him. This guy would catch absolutely everything over the middle , no matter how hard a hit he was going to take. BTW Welker is one of those two guys. Plus like , MVP said he was a great blocker. HOF , no way , but the man was a very good player. -
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posted at 8/12/2010 7:26 PM EDT
http://www.purpleamerican.com/2010/08/afc-east-jets-pats/ my take on why the pats beat the jets. revis' holdout helps lol. -
Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!
posted at 8/12/2010 7:43 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!:Im sorry to go off topic , LOL but Ill just put my 2cents in about Revis. Who is a very good player , but not a great one yet. Again I think hes a very good player , but overrated in terms of all the attention hes getting. The jets did a great job at collapsing the pocket last year , sending many guys from different postions. They played great team D. Im sorry , but you lose points in my book if you think Revis makes that D go. No CB is worth 100 million , are we even having this convo? The guy has had ONE , count 'em LOL or it , ONE very good year. And this isnt some homer talking , yea I live/die Boston sports , but Im not some fanboy loser who slurps anything Boston sports. It blows my mind how some of you are all over this guy. Almost everyone on that jets D had their best season and again they played great team D. The guy is cashing in because of all the slurping everyone has done including his coach , who btw is becoming closer and closer to a cartoon. And to all you know nothings who call him a " shutdown CB " , well you need to get a clue. I LOL when I read the first post of this thread. Something like , "Revis is the only CB that can shutdown Moss" , really? Do you guys just watch sportscenter and call it a day. Heres a FACT for you. Revis was across from 81 77 X's last year. How many times did he cover 81 on true man coverage? 7 TIMES , only 7 times did he play Randy one on one. Thats not my opinion , thats fact! Again this guy had tons of help because of the pressure the jets got up front. Even at 33 Moss would DESTROY any CB that played him just one on one. I was at the first pats/jokes game last year in NJ and saw 81 beat him about 70% of the time. I wanted to get a second opinion so I watched Playbook and NFL matchup , both show you parts of the all 22 tape and I was right. Randy won about 65-70% of the matchups that day. Problem was that 12 was eating dirt all day! He was HIT 21 times , Im sorry , but no WR is having a good day when their QB is hit 21 times , and obviously thats not including pressure. In the second game the jokes wanted to double 81 , so 12 hit 83 up for 192. And btw Randy did have a bad back and seperated shoudler .. lets not forget. Listen Im not trying to discredit what this guy did , but he doesnt played WR's one on one , sorry but he doesnt. You want to watch someone who does , then watch Nnamdi , who plays in a 1970's style Raiders D , whos forced to play true man. Lets see how he plays when everyone on the jets doesnt have career years. And lets see him do this year after year , then you can call him a great player.
Posted by ONE-TIME
I agree with all of this. I am not 100% sure about the 77 to 7 thing but I have already posted about Revis absolutely having help on Moss most of the time he plays him.
No CB is worth that much coin. QB maybe then maybe Pass rushing maniac(DE/OLB) and perhaps RB/WR. No position that can only limit 1 opposite players ability is worth 100 mil. -
Re: Revis situation could benefit the Pats!
posted at 8/12/2010 8:31 PM EDT
Ill stand by those numbers and got those figures from Hodgy on NFL matchup last year. One of the few shows that play back some of the all 22/ coaches tape. And Im sorry , but no CB , Prime , Woodsen etc can cover Moss straight up man for an entire game. Moss would eat any CB up if they dared played him straight up man , including Revis. Listen Moss is my boy , but Im not some fanboy/loser . I was at the first jets/Pats game last year and Moss beat him most of the day. How can you expect him to put up any numbers when his QB is hit 21 times and thats not including the pressure he got. And in the second game , lets not forget Moss was hurt w/ a bad back and seperated shoulder. The jets wanted to double him , so 12 hit up 83 for 15/190 and btw , we won that game. For a guy that has only had ONE very good year , theres an awful lot of slurping going on. And Ill say it again , the jets had everyone hitting on all cylinders last year. Everyone had a great year last season. Lets see him do this year after year , then we can start to call him a great player. Thats something that really gets me , a guy balls out of his mind for a year and all of a sudden hes the best. Moss has " Mossed " tons of DB's that were as good or better than Revis , guys that have done it a lot longer than him. -
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posted at 8/13/2010 12:57 AM EDT
All I was saying is that Key was a very good player ... LOL thats it. Hes not a HOF and the fact that he averaged 75 rec's and Randy averaged 77 means what exactly? And I couldnt help but notice how you said " even while taking plays off ". Not sure if that was directed at Moss or Key , either way it was a pretty cheap and weak shot. Every single WR that has ever played the game has taken plays off. All of them. Ive watched Randy since college and he takes no more or less plays off then any WR. Anyone who really thinks that clearly has not watched him play ... at all! Ive seen him take out Urlacher and other backers blocking for his teammates. And he's done the samething in NE. Hes no killer , but does what he cans. The guy has a chitty game and its where was Moss , did you see Moss dogg it today etc? And the samething could be said for Key , the guy was a great blocker. And sorry MVP , but you must have never seen Key play. If you did then you would never say that blocking was his best attribute. Not even close buddy , please name me the WR that did a better job at going over the middle and making the catch. Even to this day Id say hes one of the best ever at that. Again hes not a HOF and wasnt worth the number 1 overall pick , but the guy could ball and was a top 10-12 WR when he played. Not to be that guy that has to get the last word in , but I say this should be the last mention of Key LOL.