Ridley & The Running Game

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    Ridley & The Running Game

     

    Running Game

    Sure has been fun to watch the Pats run the ball more... to the point of running more than throwing. ONLY complaint is that it's so predictable. Simms nailed it. Brady under center with RB behind him = 99% chance it's a run. HOWEVER, that makes it even MORE impressive, when they KNOW you are going to run it and you STILL do it well. Just wish they'd make it a little less obvious. The season is still early, but if it continues as it's been going, the Pat's could definitely win it all this year.... ESPECIALLY if they start calling some of the blatant/flagrant holds against everyone clotheslining/mugging Chandler Jones.

    Ridley

    4.8  ypc

    98.2 ypg

    1st place for 1st downs at 37, next best is 26

    2nd place in TD's w/4  (5 way tie / Foster in 1st place w/5)

    2nd place w/102 carries

    5th  Place rushing  (Better than Adrian Peterson, MJD, Ray Rice et al)

    His longest run is only 20 yards, which ties him for 57th place, but that just makes his other stats more impressive because he doesn't have a couple long runs skewing his stats

    All that so far and didn't he not run much one game, when they played Woodhead as a lead back? Against Baltimore maybe???

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    Bolden

    avg 5.6 ypc, albeit only 37 attempts

    2 td's

    0 fumbles

    3 carries for 20+

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    Woodhead

    The guy is pretty good on 3rd and long. Totally elusive in the open field.

     

     
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    Re: Ridley & The Running Game

    In response to hang3xc's comment:
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    Running Game

    Sure has been fun to watch the Pats run the ball more... to the point of running more than throwing. ONLY complaint is that it's so predictable. Simms nailed it. Brady under center with RB behind him = 99% chance it's a run. HOWEVER, that makes it even MORE impressive, when they KNOW you are going to run it and you STILL do it well. Just wish they'd make it a little less obvious. The season is still early, but if it continues as it's been going, the Pat's could definitely win it all this year.... ESPECIALLY if they start calling some of the blatant/flagrant holds against everyone clotheslining/mugging Chandler Jones.

    Ridley

    4.8  ypc

    98.2 ypg

    1st place for 1st downs at 37, next best is 26

    2nd place in TD's w/4  (5 way tie / Foster in 1st place w/5)

    2nd place w/102 carries

    5th  Place rushing  (Better than Adrian Peterson, MJD, Ray Rice et al)

    His longest run is only 20 yards, which ties him for 57th place, but that just makes his other stats more impressive because he doesn't have a couple long runs skewing his stats

    All that so far and didn't he not run much one game, when they played Woodhead as a lead back? Against Baltimore maybe???

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    Bolden

    avg 5.6 ypc, albeit only 37 attempts

    2 td's

    0 fumbles

    3 carries for 20+

    _____________________________________________________________________

    Woodhead

    The guy is pretty good on 3rd and long. Totally elusive in the open field.

     

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    hey hang3,

       re "Just wish they'd make it a little less obvious."

    one of my complaints also with josh's game calling, sequnces, etc.

    agree abot the running 

    and about holding on jones almost all the time not being called.

     

     
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    Re: Ridley & The Running Game

    The key to Josh's play calling in Denver was using shotgun-spread formations (which telegraph pass) to keep Denver's pass defenders in the game.  Once he had the right personnel package in the game on defense, he pulled the TEs in tight and ran the ball, using hurry-up to prevent the Broncos from changing personnel.  They telegraphed pass and run most of the first quarter.  Completely predictable, but the point of the offense was to keep the pass defense in the game and then run against a mismatch. 

    There were a few exceptions.  One of the cleverest was on the Pats' second dirve. Through that drive they were almost completely predictable--passing almost everytime they had Brady in the shotgun, and running almost every time they had him under center.  The one exception was the very last play where they lined up with Brady under center in a tight formation (telegraphing run based on everything they had done all drive) and instead went to a play-action pass (I believe the only play-action on the whole drive) for a TD.  It was clever play calling where predictability was used to lull the defense into thinking a certain way and then, on the very last play, the established pattern was broken.

    It's important, though, to understand that such an approach only works if you can execute well on the predictable plays.  The Pats did that, executing exceptionally well in both the passing game and the running game.  Welker's completions were huge, because they forced Denver to keep the pass defenders on the field.  Ridley's (and Bolden's) excellent running made the other half of the equation work.  If execution had failed on either the run or pass, the drive would have stalled quickly, because the defense should have known what was coming on every play.  The key was the defense couldn't stop the plays even when they knew what was coming. Play calling was clever, but good execution is what made the whole thing work. 

     
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    Re: Ridley & The Running Game

    What was most amazing was in the Buf game. I forget which Buf defended said it but they said that they only ran 3 running plays total (styles not actually total plays) and that Buf just couldn't stop what they knew was coming.


    It's great because the Pats are willing to run on any down with any yardage and out of any formation. That is something you never saw with OB. With OB it was completely formulaic: 1st down run, 2nd down if <5 run if >5 pass, 3rd down if <2 run if >2 pass. That wasn't balance no matter how many times they ran it, it was just formulaic. McDaniels mixes it up and best part is he sticks with it, even if he doesn't see immediate success. That's why I think both Brady's and Ridley's numbers have gone up because McDaniels commits to running the ball which eventually wears down D's and makes them get back on the heels a bit. It opens lanes for Brady to pass to and gives him more time without rushers in his face all the time. It also makes it easier to close out games with a fresh RB in Bolden and he can run at will. I almost wonder if Bolden was used like BJGE was last year without Ridley softening up the D if his numbers would suffer badly too

     
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    Re: Ridley & The Running Game

    everyone notice how woody is least effective when they ask him to run inside w/o blocking help? In Denver's game, woody only had one good run...the 13-14 yarder when we needed a first down on 3rd and long.

     
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    Re: Ridley & The Running Game

    in addition, near the goal line....it be nice to see some movement/misdirection plays so that it's tougher for opponents to figure out whether the patriots are gonna run it it, do play action, or throw.

     
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    O'Brien wasn't as formulaic as some think and he actually ran a lot of different ways out of different formations.  Problem is, the running game wasn't consistently good.  This year, the running game gets off to a fast start.  They don't need to wear down defenses with the run.  They are getting success right from the beginning of the game.  What is helping is that the passing game is effective too and Buffalo and Denver both used an awful lot of nickel defenders because of that.  Those defenders are easily blown off the ball by the five O linemen and Fells and Gronk.  Plus Ridley gets yards after initial contact, something BJGE rarely did. 

     

     

     
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    Re: Ridley & The Running Game

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    O'Brien wasn't as formulaic as some think and he actually ran a lot of different ways out of different formations.  Problem is, the running game wasn't consistently good.  This year, the running game gets off to a fast start.  They don't need to wear down defenses with the run.  They are getting success right from the beginning of the game.  What is helping is that the passing game is effective too and Buffalo and Denver both used an awful lot of nickel defenders because of that.  Those defenders are easily blown off the ball by the five O linemen and Fells and Gronk.  Plus Ridley gets yards after initial contact, something BJGE rarely did. 

     

     Agree 100%

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    Re: Ridley & The Running Game

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    What was most amazing was in the Buf game. I forget which Buf defended said it but they said that they only ran 3 running plays total (styles not actually total plays) and that Buf just couldn't stop what they knew was coming.


    It's great because the Pats are willing to run on any down with any yardage and out of any formation. That is something you never saw with OB. With OB it was completely formulaic: 1st down run, 2nd down if <5 run if >5 pass, 3rd down if <2 run if >2 pass. That wasn't balance no matter how many times they ran it, it was just formulaic. McDaniels mixes it up and best part is he sticks with it, even if he doesn't see immediate success. That's why I think both Brady's and Ridley's numbers have gone up because McDaniels commits to running the ball which eventually wears down D's and makes them get back on the heels a bit. It opens lanes for Brady to pass to and gives him more time without rushers in his face all the time. It also makes it easier to close out games with a fresh RB in Bolden and he can run at will. I almost wonder if Bolden was used like BJGE was last year without Ridley softening up the D if his numbers would suffer badly too

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    "It's great because the Pats are willing to run on any down with any yardage and out of any formation. That is something you never saw with OB. With OB it was completely formulaic: 1st down run, 2nd down if <5 run if >5 pass, 3rd down if <2 run if >2 pass. That wasn't balance no matter how many times they ran it, it was just formulaic. McDaniels mixes it up and best part is he sticks with it, even if he doesn't see immediate success"

    i agree eventually mcd did this. but watching all the games it seemed to be a change. as if due to lack of success with his other plan and or bb told josh to work teh run more.

     

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