Re: Right now the Jets are better!
posted at 3/8/2010 4:26 PM EST
In Response to Re: Right now the Jets are better!
In Response to Re: Right now the Jets are better! : ~Look m1021 and ALL ... ~ I never said that the Jet's were the better game day team, BUT make ZERO mistake, The NY Jets have better players than NE as of right now at More Positions... Sorry, to mess with anyone's delusional notions of how awesome NE looks, but it is what it is. BUT that does NOT mean jack when it comes to putting it all together for a great season...yet it sure makes things easier . Jet's #1 running offense in the entire NFL (I believe)- Meaning: Good line and good backs. So Runningbacks ...Although Thomas Jones going elsewhere will hurt, Leon Washington back from injury and Shonn Greene with Tony Richardson as FB are STILL better than Lawrence Maroney and a stable of geezers... Let's see... Wide Receiver . What did I call that about even UNLESS NY signs all heir free agent wideouts. Cotchery, Clowney, Braylon Edwards and the emergence of Brad Smith, oh and Dustin Keller- KILL 34 year old-or-so Moss, then a guy who's showed 1 maybe 2 games of flashes of Welker-esque abilities in Edelman, but man, he'll just be a 2nd year player converted college QB (make NO mistake, I'm hoping and thinking he was an insanely good selection, who WILL work). THEN, after a 2nd year guy and a HOF wr who's slowing down in his 30's and who's mainly a deep-threat to extend a Defense and so is extremely limited in his routes, overall looks, and his catches, As Moss is not at all is an over-the-middle possession receiver or anything within the short field (although at end of year NE worked a couple novel routes in outta desperation with Wes out)... So THEN we go Brandon Tate and Sam Aiken...wow! AND yea, yea...Tate will be a phenom. Proof of this projected 5th-6th rder, but drafted in the 3rd-injury prone (double tear and at least 1 head injury while at NC) but very productive in his first 2-3 years in COLLEGE wide reciever being even a starting #2 wideout, let alone a good one that's completely recovered from his multiple knee tears remains to be YET seen at all so far (btw, his very BEST trait wasn't his blazing speed, his sure-hands, and his great routes...all are o.k., but not spectacular- Tate's formerly best trait, was his excellent cutting and first quick steps off the line along with a fearlessness over the middle-So his head injury and knee tearS should do great for this). AND Sam Aiken sux. ADVANTAGE: Jets And what else did I say that's incorrect? O-Line ? Think of this point when I list off the NY Jets lineman: Even for decently studious NFL fans, NFL O-Lineman on teams OTHER than the one they follow, are a freakin' afterthought. YET, I know ALL the Jet's #1 league rushing O-Lineman: D. Ferguson, A. Faneca, N. Mangold, M. Slauson/B. Moore, and D. Woody (Woody's kinda old now though, I believe). BUT NE's line of multiple Probowlers IS aging themselves. N Kazur (a: 31 before season start), S. Neal (a: 33), D. Koppen (a: 31 in Sept), M. Light (a: 32 before season start), L. Mankins (a: 28 before season start). So are you kidding me that Mankins is the ONLY one even in his late 20's, ONLY guy NOT PAST 30 years old? And trust me, I believe Ohrnberger, Connoly, and just maybe Levoir and Wendell, But dear god yes on Vollmer- DO have a bright future, BUT so far the sum total of a very old O-Line but with crazy bright spots in Mankins and Vollmer, Do NOT trump NY's O-Line...sorry. So what else? Defensive line ... NY Jets: Shaun Ellis, Kris Jenkins, then M Devito and M Douglas (who are they right? 7 sacks and 8 sacks last year in a 3-4 D-Line). With Gholston (bust) and Matt Kroul bolstering the line in a 4-3 Defense. NE has who? Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork. I'll take Ellis and Jenkins better all-around game...sorry. After that, you're giving me Tully (excellent year, but singular as a nominal pass-rusher-and about as good as NY's bad D-Lineman in their pass-rush), Then Jarvis Green=Probably gone in free agency and Mike Wright. Yea, Myron Pryor and Daryll Richard look good, BUT this victory goes to the Jets D-Line... Linebacker ? Let's see, NE has Jerod Mayo as rookie of the year, but BOTH he and Guyton took a step backwards this past season. THEN NE has Pierre Woods (awful), Shawn Crable (injured), and people want to get high on Tyrone McKenzie a 6'1 243 lb rookie coming off an ACL tear or something...that's great. NY has Bart Scott, David Harris, Calvin Pace (already included Gholston), then as a weak link wih 12 sacks last year, NY has Bryan Thomas. Linebackers=Jets. Special Teams ? Better Punter, Better kick returner, and better punt returner (with Welker out). Overall NY Jets Special Teams rank: 5th. NE Special Teams Rank: 16th. AND with NE's 10 year special teams guru who did wonders, GONE as of last year in Brad Seely gone to Cleveland, who btw- Cleveland Rank for Special Teams with Seely last year...yup, #1 in the NFL... EVEN having the Ghost as a ridiculously good kicker, does NOT give NE the edge over NY. ~FINAL TALLY: QB and Head Coach...oh, and Safety Corp and 1 kicker= New England Patriots. ALL else= New York Jets. Sorry for reality check people. BUT again, I will re-emphasize, That this doesn' mean ANYthing come game-day TEAM performance...yet again: It SURE helps.
Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium
Well you summed up the point I was trying to make about the Jets having the superior roster much better than I could. But like I keep saying, if the Pats could just make some serious moves, then I would give the edge back to the Pats simply because of Brady. If the Pats keep things status quo and just go after some old bums nobody wants and trades down rather than up, then Pats fans better not expect another AFC East title, or even playoffs.