RIP NELSON MANDELA..is OBAMA the new MANDELA?

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    The Tea Party is nothing like the Nazis Rusty.  There is a reason Godwin's law exists.

     



    Sure it is. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party.  The Republican Party today has moved way right.

     

    The Tea Party is to the right of the Republican Party on the political spectrum. Yes. Absolutely.

     



    The NAZI's were not "right wing", that's pure spin and rewriting history.  The NAZI party literally means national socialist party.  They were for larger government and more governmental control over industry (as all socialists are).  They had universal health care, the government overseeing industry (like the automotive industry), welfare programs, and big environmental programs.  They were clearly "left" as the term is defined around larger government with more control.  Give me one way the NAZI part was "right wing".  

    This isn't to say the US political left are NAZI's.  The party is infamous for racism and war mongering.  however neither of those things are "left" or "right" ideals.  Even though some people have tried to rewrite history to make MLK and Lincoln "left" or democrats though they were neither.  But you would have to be fairly ignorant of a lot of things to buy this hype of comparing anyone to NAZI's.



    Finally someone that knows history, not what CNN, fox and msnbc tell them.

     
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    "The pay as you go structure" has been wildly successful for like 75 years.



    More stupidity. Of course that flawed system is going to work, for a while. Duh. That's the problem jackazz. You want a system that doesn't one day collapse from it's own weight. Simply creating personalized accounts from the start would have prevented the pitfalls a changing population causes in a pay as you go system. You are hopelessly stupid.



    Nice backpedal.  The namecalling and statement of "of course it is going to work for a while" means I win.

    I really enjoy bludgeoning you in debates. It's fun, Diapers.




    I see you've been drinking again Megatool. No fool, you are the one getting bludgeoned (as always). The system you call brilliant is f'd and people are going to get screwd by it, soon.

     

     
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    You may know football, but you don't understand politics and history.

    When a new party is created and kicks to the right of the religious right/extremist and cuckoo modern day Republican Party, that's pretty scary stuff.  That's into Nazi Land.  

    If Hitler had succeeded and had a son or sons, the Tea Party would be in line with the Hitlers and Germany/Europe and Europe would be miserable.

    I don't want exclusionists and bible thumpers determining policy in a free country. It's that simple.

    I also don't want people who lack education and common sense dictating policy.  You can always tell who is full of crap when they repeat rhetoric over and over because they want to sound intelligent.

    That's the redneck at Walmart. That's the bible thumper.  That's the angry old white man.   These people are easily manipulated, can't think for themselves and/or brainwashed. They all like the Tear Party and/or race out and vote for Michelle Bachmann or Sara Palin because they never read a book before.

    Not good.

     



    Well if you believe all of that is true  there is nothing to be said.

    But Please on the Hitler associations, you are way out of bounds? You just are. Hitler was a Totalitarian /Socialist who told everyone what they could do, or die. Tea Party isnt that ,no matter what John Stewart or Racheal Madow or even the NYTs says.

    And  the tea party isnt really a party - the candidates who run on being a tea party member as social conservatives do not speak for anyone I know. Its easy to demonize a group with no leaders. And to sexually demonize people by those calling them names and not debating the issue of fiscal sanity is elitist and narcisstic

    I went to 2010 tea party events, and many of my friends and family did too. If you saw        my family and my siblings families it would look like the United Nations. We are all college educated from well known and some of the elite univerisites. We all believe in God but  believe it is a personal choice and others can believe what they wish

    What you should really worry about is that the current Dems in power and in the press have severely damaged the "liberal" brand. Commuinsts, Socialists, Progressives or what ever they want to call themselves are delusional. (listen to Pelosi for one). they have used Alynski tactics to demonize honest people.

    If I only go back as far as JFK. He was conservative on fiscal policy, anti communisit policy, abortion, but liberal on race and in the bag for unions. To the point, he was liberal in some of the best ways. It is sadly not what we have today in the Democrat Party.

    I loved WFB but have grown even more in tune with Richard A Epstein. He is easily found on the net and you can see him debate. If you believe some ohole in the governmet knows what they are doing and how to do anything- I couldnt disagree more.



    I think both parties have serious issues, but we disagree on what a political spectrum looks like. For every Pelosi, there is a Rick Santorum, Bachmann, etc.   

    Nazism was a right wing movement. The Tea Party is on the lunatic fringe and certainly on the right.

    As if the bible thumping right wing of the Republican Party didn't move to the right enough the last 10 years?  Jesus. Scary stuff.

    John McCain is moritified.  I would be too, if I was a Republican. It's why I registered as an Independent.  It's so I can avoid looking like  buffoon defending a party that goes off the rails. It happens.   Then the spectrum adjusts and shifts, sometimes a lot.  

    Teddy Roosevelt's Republican Party is long gone.  



    Wrong again. How many times can you be wrong in 1 day?

 
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    South Africa labeled him as a terrorist…hmmm…well…we were terrorists to the British in Lexington on April 19, 1775 I suppose.



    Really? Were the "minute men" blowing up civilian buildings like Mandela?

     



    Didn't we drop atomic bombs on two Japanese cities full of civilians?

    Oh wait, when we killed civilians it was for a higher purpose . . . 

    The ANC only did it to free a bunch of black people . . . 

    And besides all those civilians we killed weren't really civilians, you know, being Asian and all . . .

     



    Lol. So true. 

    However the ANC or Mandela represented a tribe. They wanted not only equal rights but control by which they have now. Now that they have control, SA is much like an oligarchy, run by royal ANCers. ask anyone who lives in SA now, even black people and I think you will find SA now is a much more dangerous place than it was back then.

     
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    Social Security was one of the more brilliant plans ever.



    You are so f'n dumb it's painful. SS was the work of imbeciles, because of the "pay as you go" structure. That was asking for a catastrophe and benefited certain persons at the time at the expense of future generations.

     



    Social Security was partly created by Republicans in the 1930s when FDR was president. Are you aware of that? It's an American prorgram meant to support the older population, like yourself. lmao

    Gee, how horrible of an idea.

    So, you're in favor of older people who are too old to work just to starve to death and end their life rummaging for food in trash bins?  

    Are you aware what this country was like pre Great Depression?  Wasn't really in the best spot.  The Great Depression reset everything and changed how America grew, for the better. There was an actual, tangible Middle Class and we were the envy of the world until this recent run of mass corruption in Congress, Congress having far more power than the president.

    Why?  Money. Power and money.  It's always been that way, and always will, but how bad it gets is the real key.  The de-regulation of Glass-Steagall made the abuses of the last 10-15 years a mnuch more attainable thing.

    And, don't think for a second you can call me dumb on subjects I happen to know a lot about, Diapers.

    Try reading a book that isn't the Bible, dumbo.



    Idiot again.

    the Great Depression was engineered by the Fed. It would have never happened had we given the power of printing money, setting interest rates to a private corporation run by the mega banks which what the fed is. Look it up. 

    PI agree on glass steagall. Another masterful job by the bankers to screw us and further concentrate wealth, sending us into recession. 

     
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    I'd say we are in off topic hell except I love Rusty's off-topic stuff! So nice to hear you say smart and informed things that don't involve bashing a certain hall of famer....

    "John McCain is moritified.  I would be too, if I was a Republican. It's why I registered as an Independent.  It's so I can avoid looking like  buffoon defending a party that goes off the rails. It happens.   Then the spectrum adjusts and shifts, sometimes a lot.  

    Teddy Roosevelt's Republican Party is long gone.  " BINGO DUDE



    He's my favorite president. If we could just duplicate a dozen Teddy Roosevelts for the next 100+ years, we'd be golden.

    Since the mid 1960s when the Dixiecrats went from the Democratic side as FDR's babies, and LBJ signed off on JFK's original Civil Rights legislation, the shift started.

    The South used to be Democratic all the way due to the Civill War and Lincoln and now they are all Red States because of the Civil Rights bill, an apparent penchant for open racism, and religious convictions that supersede science and logic.

    I think it may be starting to tilt a bit back to even itself out. NC went Obama in 2008 and almost did this past go round. IMpressive, but I think most of that is due the locals.

    The Republicans are at risk of losing multiple generations, excluding most women and they've VERY wise to drop the religious right garbage that turns so many independents off.

     



    We don't need more teddy Roosevelt's. we need to get rid ofmthe fed and special interest groups and their power. If we don't, it doesn't matter who is iN office.

     
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    The Tea Party is clearly one step away from the Nazi Party.   Each was an extremist movement.



    Seriously, get f'n help. You are a psychotic looney bird.

     



    The Tea Party isn't on the left and it's not the left of the Republican Part right now, dumbo.

    Do you even know what the political spectrum is, stupid?  Seriously.  Please draw a basic spectrum on this board, so the board can tell if you know what you're talking about.

    This should be hilarious.

    A defensive Tea Party racist homophobe is telling me I need help. Absolutely priceless.




    I'm quite certain that I know more about the political spectrum than you will ever know. The political compass is a far more accurate depiction of one's views anyway. Simpleton.



    Post a basic spectrum. One of your own...And, no cheating, Diapers. I want to see if you can put one together and articulate each part of the spectrum.

    The fact you are not doing it already makes the board very suspicious as to you even knowing what it is.

    lmao




    Here Megatool - the political compass. My score is below. You can't even place me there accurately. So dumb. Have another drink.

     

     

     

    btw, The fact is, you libs come closer to Hitler or Stalin than The Tea Party. LMAO@U

     

     

    Here's your political spectrum, just so you'll shut up about it, drunkard.

     

    Communist - Socialist - Moderate - Conservative - Fascist. There are many versions.

    Anybody with a brain (that leaves you out) knows that is simplistic and flawed dumbkoff. It is used to generally describe things, not peg them accurately.

     
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    You may know football, but you don't understand politics and history.

    When a new party is created and kicks to the right of the religious right/extremist and cuckoo modern day Republican Party, that's pretty scary stuff.  That's into Nazi Land.  

    If Hitler had succeeded and had a son or sons, the Tea Party would be in line with the Hitlers and Germany/Europe and Europe would be miserable.

    I don't want exclusionists and bible thumpers determining policy in a free country. It's that simple.

    I also don't want people who lack education and common sense dictating policy.  You can always tell who is full of crap when they repeat rhetoric over and over because they want to sound intelligent.

    That's the redneck at Walmart. That's the bible thumper.  That's the angry old white man.   These people are easily manipulated, can't think for themselves and/or brainwashed. They all like the Tear Party and/or race out and vote for Michelle Bachmann or Sara Palin because they never read a book before.

    Not good.

     



    Well if you believe all of that is true  there is nothing to be said.

    But Please on the Hitler associations, you are way out of bounds? You just are. Hitler was a Totalitarian /Socialist who told everyone what they could do, or die. Tea Party isnt that ,no matter what John Stewart or Racheal Madow or even the NYTs says.

    And  the tea party isnt really a party - the candidates who run on being a tea party member as social conservatives do not speak for anyone I know. Its easy to demonize a group with no leaders. And to sexually demonize people by those calling them names and not debating the issue of fiscal sanity is elitist and narcisstic

    I went to 2010 tea party events, and many of my friends and family did too. If you saw        my family and my siblings families it would look like the United Nations. We are all college educated from well known and some of the elite univerisites. We all believe in God but  believe it is a personal choice and others can believe what they wish

    What you should really worry about is that the current Dems in power and in the press have severely damaged the "liberal" brand. Commuinsts, Socialists, Progressives or what ever they want to call themselves are delusional. (listen to Pelosi for one). they have used Alynski tactics to demonize honest people.

    If I only go back as far as JFK. He was conservative on fiscal policy, anti communisit policy, abortion, but liberal on race and in the bag for unions. To the point, he was liberal in some of the best ways. It is sadly not what we have today in the Democrat Party.

    I loved WFB but have grown even more in tune with Richard A Epstein. He is easily found on the net and you can see him debate. If you believe some ohole in the governmet knows what they are doing and how to do anything- I couldnt disagree more.



    I think both parties have serious issues, but we disagree on what a political spectrum looks like. For every Pelosi, there is a Rick Santorum, Bachmann, etc.   

    Nazism was a right wing movement. The Tea Party is on the lunatic fringe and certainly on the right.

    As if the bible thumping right wing of the Republican Party didn't move to the right enough the last 10 years?  Jesus. Scary stuff.

    John McCain is moritified.  I would be too, if I was a Republican. It's why I registered as an Independent.  It's so I can avoid looking like  buffoon defending a party that goes off the rails. It happens.   Then the spectrum adjusts and shifts, sometimes a lot.  

    Teddy Roosevelt's Republican Party is long gone.  



    Sorry, No, you are wrong Hilter was a "right wing" movement from Soviet communism 

    Stalin invented the word "Facism"  to  describe Hitler's and Mussolini's version of socialism -

    All were "Socialists"

    Hitler had his own version. Hitler was to the right of Stalin  Hitler wasn't to the right of the US Constitution - the Tea Party are Constitutionalsits - and btw Ohole really isnt -and Oholes scares left wing lawyers like Jonathan Turley

    TR has some good points and did some good things - but he, Wilson, Hoover, Roosevelt were all progressives - but you cannot draw a straight line to today's progressives. Wilson was the worst president before Carter - he was anti black , anti women and was  an elite sc****ck of the first order

    To some degree we all own the old Presidents, however I absolve myself from Wilson, because over the years contexts change.

    A govenment that tells people what to do and what to buy cannot be for freedom and the elites will live in their dashas and the rest in ruin

    They are all hypocrites - "do as i tell you, not as I do" - Clintons,Gore,Kerry,Obama -

    Our financial crisis of   5 plus years had its seeds in Carter then Clinton - with Barny Frank's help. Ohole was with the Proetzer (spelling) family out of Chicago who owned Hyatt who came to Washington to lobby for this crapsandwich. He was blaiming W but they were his policies

    Bush originally went along saying how great the ownership policy was . But beginning in and around 2002 he wised up went to Congress - Barney Frank - and told them that the polcicy had to change. - this was all on youtube. The political hacks of mostly dems but some repubs wouldn't stop it

    Where W failed was not saying it in a State of the Union. This financial crisis is a result of pure democrat socialists - and Ohole was a big lobbyist for it.

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    What Mandella will be remembered for as an icon is one thing
    and what he may have been as a man is another. He gets kudos for the great he did. His wife was not so good at all. In the end. the world was far better off for him.

    As to ohole - there is nothing good to say for him. There is no policy domestically or internationally that is working. Even Jonathan Turley -a lib dem who supported Obama-is saying what a danger he is to the Constitution. Not only today but for future presicents The only reason he was elected was cause he was black and the only reason he was reelected was cause he was black. Someone finally beat out Carter for being the worst president of all time. So in the end , the world is worse off for him and the total damage he will do is still unknown. The only Natz like person is Ohole.

    As for you tea party demonizers. The tea party is only for a rational fiscal policy- Against a   $17 trillion dollar debt and still growing. It is not a movement for or against any social issue. Any pol on either side wgo says different is factually incorrect



    You may know football, but you don't understand politics and history.

    When a new party is created and kicks to the right of the religious right/extremist and cuckoo modern day Republican Party, that's pretty scary stuff.  That's into Nazi Land.  

    If Hitler had succeeded and had a son or sons, the Tea Party would be in line with the Hitlers and Germany/Europe and Europe would be miserable.

    I don't want exclusionists and bible thumpers determining policy in a free country. It's that simple.

    I also don't want people who lack education and common sense dictating policy.  You can always tell who is full of crap when they repeat rhetoric over and over because they want to sound intelligent.

    That's the redneck at Walmart. That's the bible thumper.  That's the angry old white man.   These people are easily manipulated, can't think for themselves and/or brainwashed. They all like the Tear Party and/or race out and vote for Michelle Bachmann or Sara Palin because they never read a book before.

    Not good.

     



    Not know history, well you prove you don't know what you are talking about. 

    Again proving you are an idiot across many topics. For the fifth time mr dunce, the tea party is nothing like the nazi party. If you want to find a more comparable group, look at both the dems and repubs. Anyone, any group intent on taking away our civil liberties, trashing our constitution, and concentrating power in the executive branch is more hitler like. seawolf had it right. 



    I didn't say it was "like" the Nazi Party. I said it was one step away from the Nazi Party's ideas and philiosophies on the political spectrum.

    Yes.  Learn to read better and certainly don't call me an idiot when I am well ahead of you on this topic.

    The Nazis were the most right wing political party in the history of mankind. It's to the right of an Absolute MOnarchy.   Think about that.  A King/Queen scenario is more liberal than the Nazis.  Yep.

    The Tea Partiers are basically a bunch of racists who hide behind this fraud guise of "my rights are being trampled" because Obama is black. End of story. That's why it came to fruition with him as a president. I know there are black Tea Partiers, but they're too stupid to see it.  

    Born at night, not last night.  

    As if we needed a new party, more to the right than the current extreme Republican Party?  My god.

    Religious RIght Controlled Republicans-->Absolute Monarchy-->Tea Party-->Nazi Party

    Read it from left to right and then weep.  Here is the dead giveaway that the Tea Party philiosophies are a front to hide racist Republican extremists:

    The Liberatarian Party already exists.

    Case closed.

     



    You aren't ahead of anyone on anything...maybe your pet parrot Gladys. You both have the same IQ.

     
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    What Mandella will be remembered for as an icon is one thing
    and what he may have been as a man is another. He gets kudos for the great he did. His wife was not so good at all. In the end. the world was far better off for him.

    As to ohole - there is nothing good to say for him. There is no policy domestically or internationally that is working. Even Jonathan Turley -a lib dem who supported Obama-is saying what a danger he is to the Constitution. Not only today but for future presicents The only reason he was elected was cause he was black and the only reason he was reelected was cause he was black. Someone finally beat out Carter for being the worst president of all time. So in the end , the world is worse off for him and the total damage he will do is still unknown. The only Natz like person is Ohole.

    As for you tea party demonizers. The tea party is only for a rational fiscal policy- Against a   $17 trillion dollar debt and still growing. It is not a movement for or against any social issue. Any pol on either side wgo says different is factually incorrect



    You may know football, but you don't understand politics and history.

    When a new party is created and kicks to the right of the religious right/extremist and cuckoo modern day Republican Party, that's pretty scary stuff.  That's into Nazi Land.  

    If Hitler had succeeded and had a son or sons, the Tea Party would be in line with the Hitlers and Germany/Europe and Europe would be miserable.

    I don't want exclusionists and bible thumpers determining policy in a free country. It's that simple.

    I also don't want people who lack education and common sense dictating policy.  You can always tell who is full of crap when they repeat rhetoric over and over because they want to sound intelligent.

    That's the redneck at Walmart. That's the bible thumper.  That's the angry old white man.   These people are easily manipulated, can't think for themselves and/or brainwashed. They all like the Tear Party and/or race out and vote for Michelle Bachmann or Sara Palin because they never read a book before.

    Not good.

     



    For the fifth time mr dunce, the tea party is nothing like the nazi party.



    The Nazi Party would have loved the NDAA Obama just signed.

     
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    The last I heard, the UK was a pretty free place.  In fact, in some ways, speech is freer there than here.



    Yeah, they're so free you're guilty until proven innocent.


     
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    The NAZI's were not "right wing", that's pure spin and rewriting history.  The NAZI party literally means national socialist party.  They were for larger government and more governmental control over industry (as all socialists are).  They had universal health care, the government overseeing industry (like the automotive industry), welfare programs, and big environmental programs.  They were clearly "left" as the term is defined around larger government with more control.  Give me one way the NAZI part was "right wing".  




    The TP is far removed from the NP. They are quite close to Libertarians. Obama is much closer to authoritarianism than the TP is.

     
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    I didn't say it was "like" the Nazi Party. I said it was one step away from the Nazi Party's ideas and philiosophies on the political spectrum.

    Yes.  Learn to read better and certainly don't call me an idiot when I am well ahead of you on this topic.

    The Nazis were the most right wing political party in the history of mankind. It's to the right of an Absolute MOnarchy.   Think about that.  A King/Queen scenario is more liberal than the Nazis.  Yep.

    The Tea Partiers are basically a bunch of racists who hide behind this fraud guise of "my rights are being trampled" because Obama is black. End of story. That's why it came to fruition with him as a president. I know there are black Tea Partiers, but they're too stupid to see it.  

    Born at night, not last night.  

    As if we needed a new party, more to the right than the current extreme Republican Party?  My god.

    Religious RIght Controlled Republicans-->Absolute Monarchy-->Tea Party-->Nazi Party

    Read it from left to right and then weep.  Here is the dead giveaway that the Tea Party philiosophies are a front to hide racist Republican extremists:

    The Liberatarian Party already exists.

    Case closed.

     



    ^ Proof you have no clue what you're talking about and are insane. School children could rip your stupidity to shreds.

    It's the same kind of madness you spew about football.

     
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    He's wrong. The NAZIs hated Communists/Socialists. Hitler had them rounded up or murdered. These are facts that cannot be disputed.  

     



    Of course they did moron. They were on opposite ends of the spectrum, but both were AUTHORITARIAN.

     

     
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    Umm, the NAZIs would have rounded Obama up and Hitler's right wing extremism would have hated Obama's progressivism.

    For the FIFTH time, STUPID. I did not say it was LIKE the NAZI Party. I said it was one step removed from it on the political spectrum.

     



    Come back when you sober up nitwit. At least then you can understand a few basic things.

    The Tea Party IS NOT one step away from the Nazi Party dum bass. The NP are authoritarian, the TP is libertarian. Dumb as a damned stump you are.

     

    Hitler would have hated Obama the same way he hated Stalin.

     
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