Re: RKarp or anyone camping tomorrow...
posted at 7/29/2014 11:40 AM EDT
In response to PatsEng's comment:
In response to TripleOG's comment:
I agree and this is why I dont get why everyone is all over KT when Boyce is doing the same and Dobson isnt even on the field. Every week that goes by and Dobson is on the sidelines, the more likely he start on PUP.
My thing is this. Boyce was a 4th rounder so naturally he should be more talented than a UDFA, but he hasnt turned that talent into production yet and is further behind both Dobson/KT in terms of being comfortable in the system. This is what I was trying to tell Eng. All the negatives with KT have happened with Boyce as well at a higher rate. To date, No threads on Boyce. Boyce Needs to run routes better and be quicker at the line. Speed is nice but if you cant get past the jam.... KT needs to learn to catch with his hands more and stop letting balls get into his body and try to clamp them...But he is getting open consistently.
Wozzy, I did see that Hightower IS getting some looks on 3rd down to rush the passer which Ive always thought he was good at. Rookie year did it but last year just covered. Liked to see Collins covering more and Hightower rushing. Collins can do both so he will be that Joker on the field, lining up everywhere, moving before the snap IMO. Big things expected from him.
The difference is, and just perception between me and you, I see Boyce as having more potential and you see KT as having more potential. Boyce couldn't stay healthy on the field last year. We have more evidence in terms of KT's ability to suggest he wasn't improving as the year went on and more evidence suggesting drops might be an issue. Getting open was an issue last year and from patriots.com was reported it's still an issue at times this camp. He's having an up and down camp much like he did last year. Not sure where you get the higher rate from though as I haven't heard as many issues with Boyce so far as I've heard with Thompkins, such as BB yelling at him for hitting the ground instantly and Thompkins leading the team in drops so far. If Dobson gets PuPed then yes it opens a spot for Thompkins, but if Dobson isn't PuPed he is fighting for the last spot and might be on the outside looking in if he doesn't make corrections to his game that got him benched prior to his injury.
No Eng, we are in agreement that Boyce has way more potential than KT but like I keep saying, BB doesnt keep players with potential over players with production so until Boyce starts producing, he is behind IMO.
Everyone who has been at camp has said Boyce has not only dropped more balls but doesnt look comfortable in offense and also hits the ground. So while Boyce is talented, they are performing the same. BB will Keep the hard working KT over Boyce if all things are equal and they are last 2 but again, I dont see why both cant stick.
For my money, KT is not going anywhere.
Also, why do you expect so much from rookie WRs? How many have failed in the past? 2nd rounders like Jackson, #3rd rounders like Price who also was fast. Rookies dont usually get better down the stretch, they hit the rookie wall. Atleast he was healthy and contributing before injury, meanwhile Boyce has had 3 foot injuries in last year alone and it looks like a pattern. You should know this.
This just In! Defenders get paid Too. In fact, CBs get paid a lot. WR dont get open on every play! lol
You are getting your info from Rkarp who also doesnt think much of KT. If you read the whole board, everyone sais Boyce is struggling. KT looks the part and gets open, just has shaky hands. Please show me where there is a tracker for the most dropped passes in camp so far..this is getting silly. We can both find reports, negative or positive but truth is, KT has been the better peformer so far. This is what I go by, not potential.
At some point in the last couple of years your expectations have grown to ridiculous proportions. Knowing how hard it is to make it here, I would think KT would receive more praise than criticism for doing more as an UDFA than any of the recent WRs picked muched higher in the last 5 years here. He was asked to START last year instead of being the complimentary piece he should have been and naturally became overwhelmed. Need to add context to your analysis.