Roethlisberger trial will go on

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    If memory serves didn't he almost kill himself speeding on a motorcycle too? Has no bearing on the rape allegation but adds to the poor judgement calls for someone in the spotlight.
     
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    Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!!

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : Since when is any fact about rape "fun".  Not sure where you got your stats, but rape is also the crime that is least reported.
    Posted by crlsnjnn[/QUOTE]

    Tell me the truth, If I raped you would you file a police report to make sure I go to jail, or would you wait till I can't go to jail anymore and file a civil case that will get you alot of money, but I would still be roaming the Earth waiting to strike on some unsuspecting girl again? I shouldn't have used "fun fact" to describe anything about rape, but just the fact that so many women malicious make-up stories of rape makes you question this girl.

    It is believed that from 2-50% of all rape cases are falsely acused. I just went for the high mark. 

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html
     
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    maybe ben didn't know what he was doing. he should be given the blow up doll test.
     
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    I doubt very much she's "making the whole thing up." I have no way of knowing this for certain, but I've known enough women in my lifetime to suspect that "rape" often happens the next morning, when sound judgment returns -- or even later than that, when it turns out that the big football hero was just looking for a quick slice, and doesn't really like you at all. It may or may not be "fair" or "just" or however you care to term it, but the fact is that we live in a society where you can be considered an abuser simply because a woman claims it. Someone you barely know can turn you whole life upside down, simply by by telling an officer of the court, or a cop, "I'm afraid of him." Now, proving rape is another thing entirely, and in many cases, women don't want to go through the degradation inherent in the process, which is why so many rapes go unreported (as has been noted by other posters). Ben has already shown that his judgment is often suspect, and some of what I've heard about the alleged victim does not paint her in a particularly flattering light, but ultimately, it won't make any difference.

    Whether this thing goes to trial or is settled out of court or simply disappears in
    a puff of smoke won't prove anything. Roethlisberger could pay her off just to stop the media circus or she could fold under the interminable spotlight like Kobe's acccuser did or a jury could decide it did or didn't happen and even then, the only people who will know whether the sex was consensual (if it happened at all) is her and him.

    It's far more likely that some equally tawdry event will come along to draw our attention away from this thing before any reliable conclusion is drawn in this affair.
     
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    The simple fact is throw out that she didn't call the police as rape victims alot of times don't do.  Her emails and telephone calls whether to ben or to others talking about how it was the best sex ever proves shes out for $.  She claims that she didn't file with police because she was afraid to lose your job, well how many real rape victims have such a easy time putting a smile on their face in a place they have been raped.  Your own home is considered by many to be one of if not thee most safests places you could go and many rape victims cannot even go near their house because they  suffered such a horrific crime there yet this one shows up everyday to make coffee and hand out donuts.  She doesn't deny any of the emails she sent or the telephone calls shes made but she's suppose to be believable. There are more than one casino in Nevada for her to fix tvs in

    IMO Ben did her and kicked her to the curb yet she thought she was in line to marry him like some game show and now she wants revenge
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : Rob - I suppose I don't care to dignify the ORIGINAL poster, who referred to Rothlisberger as a Rapistberger or whatever.  Why would I need to justify my posts when they are responding to such garbage?  Please...........
    Posted by MYNJJets[/QUOTE]

    No need to justify, but superbowl envy responses will not endear you around here.  Friendly advice, be reasonable and people respect you.   
     
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    [QUOTE]The problem with these cases is that no one knows who to believe.  Based on what I've read, I'm still not certain who is telling the truth.  I'm not going to jump to conclusions because the guy plays for a rival team or because the woman didn't file a police report.  Some people are probably convinced that the big ego star quarterback acted poorly because of his status and thought he could get away with it.  Others probably believe that the woman is out to get a payoff and had stars and dollar signs in her eyes when she went to that room.  This is what the court system is for.  The fact is that these two people put themselves in this situation and the truth needs to prevail.  Someone was wronged here.     
    Posted by BrooklineRob[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.

    That's what trials are for; let a jury of your peers sit and listen to each party's story and malke a decision as to who is more credible.

    If ben's so innocent, as most seem to be proclaiming here, why is he so afraid to go to court? He's spent well over a million  $ so far, trying every legal tactic imaginable to keep her from telling her side of the story.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : You need to get a freakin life!  Oh man......you're ignorance is so glaring!  Obviously stems from recent SB Champ envy/jealousy.  How sad!
    Posted by MYNJJets[/QUOTE]

    Pretty funny when a NY thug, who doesn't understand 5th grade English grammar (i.e. the difference between "your" and "you're"), lectures someone about their ignorance! 

    He's probably a NYU professor!
     
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    Ben is acting exactly as I would "if I were innocent".  I would be enraged over the false accusations that will forever muddy my name regardless of the trial outcome.  I would spend much more than Ben (assuming I had his money) to ruin her in every way imaginable.  I would not relent until she was crushed.  I say that in the context that I was innocent and wrongly accused.  I admire those who could be wrongly accused of such a hideous crime and just take it like a gentleman, sit quietly, and do nothing until a trial.  Of course, those who think that's what he should do also think he's guilty, unless of course "Tough guy rapelisberger" was just a typo :^)
     
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    IFFFFF!! if roethlisberger got found guilty, would he be a bigger public enemy than Vick was? 

    fuhrman, german... sounds racist

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : You people are all so sexist.   Typical male response that she's just making this up for money.  You make me embarassed to be a male.  I feel if she said he did it, he did. Look at it this way, if Cheesburger said this woman threw a cup of coffee in his face, would you deny it happened?  Probably not.  Now, grow up.  Rape cannot and will not be dismissed by a guy saying, "oh, she made it up...."  I beleive that videotaping anything without the other person's consent is also against the law, especially if it involves sex.  What was that attorney smoking?

    Yeah, you mean like the Girl who said she was raped by the Duke Lacrosse team?  She said it, so we were all supposed to believe her?  how did that turn out?  BTW havent heard any apologies from the main 2 instigators in that whole mess. Al and Jesse.
     
     
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    Innocent until PROVEN guilty, not the other way around, that is the problem.  All you have to be is accused of something and Bam your guilty,  even if you are innocent, too bad, you will forever be remembered for doing it.

    All it takes is just being accused, and your reputation is ruined, even when/if he goes to court and is found innocent or if it is completely dropped and never goes to court, even if she admits making the whole thing up , people will still say he is guilty.  His Reputation is ruined.  

    Dont get me wrong, I am speaking in general terms, not just this specific case. I am in no way shape or form a fan of ANYTHING steelers.  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Roethlisberger trial will go on : Wow! That's the most intelligent and mature post I've read on this fourm in a while. The bottom line is nobody really knows what happened. Women can be cold and calculating liars. And a lot of professional athletes have been coddled and allowed the live above the law for so long that they feel entitled to do whatever they want. So the only people that eally know what happened in that room are Ben and the woman. And not to go off on a rant, but all the people falling over themselves to take Ben's side (mostly because he's a rich white athlete) are part of the problem. It's this attitude that keeps many rape victims from coming forward. Especially if their attacker is successful. How about we give her the benefit of doubt?  
    Posted by dafoe[/QUOTE]

    Wow! Willem that was the second more intelligent post I've read in some time. Trolls aside, some of the stuff on B.com can be a little immature. I've said before winning cures all sins. Kobe got into a stinking mess in Co., and Nike wouldn't touch him. His endorsements disappeared overnight. What's his relationship with Nike now?!
    Maybe I'm being cynical, but if proven guilty, I am willing to bet the 'fans' of Pittsburgh will be willing to forget his transgressions if he brings them another Lombardi in the near future.

     
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    [QUOTE]IFFFFF!! if roethlisberger got found guilty, would he be a bigger public enemy than Vick was?  fuhrman, german... sounds racist
    Posted by BillsHoody[/QUOTE]

    If he is found guilty, then his actions are indeed despicable.  He will definitely go into Vick territory.  That said, if even a fraction of the rumors out there (emails, friend who said she was infatuated with him, etc) turn out to be valid and proved in court, he will not be found guilty; even in a civil suit with a much lower burden of proof.  I am a betting man and I would wager he wins in court handily.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : You people are all so sexist.   Typical male response that she's just making this up for money.  You make me embarassed to be a male.  I feel if she said he did it, he did. Look at it this way, if Cheesburger said this woman threw a cup of coffee in his face, would you deny it happened?  Probably not.  Now, grow up.  Rape cannot and will not be dismissed by a guy saying, "oh, she made it up...."  I beleive that videotaping anything without the other person's consent is also against the law, especially if it involves sex.  What was that attorney smoking?
    Posted by Patsfansince1966[/QUOTE]

    It's not typical maleness driving this response, and I resent your (self-hating) sexism for implying that it is.

    Personally, for me, the reason I don't believe her is that the Roethlisberger camp has claimed to have documented proof that she was bragging about the encounter to her friends.

    The reason I tend to believe them is that if you claim to have documentation and don't, it blows up in your face bigtime.  I'm not positive they have it, and I am not sitting here saying the whole thing is totally made up and they should throw it out of court, but I'll be a bit surprised if she's telling the truth on this one.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : MYNJJets If you're trying to be the reasonable Jets guy in this place, you might want to point out the flaws in someone's argument rather than go on the offensive with the superbowl envy comments.  That is unless you like to be the target of everyone's ire.  You are a target and need to bring something to the table before people give you any credibility.    I think this thing will play itself out and that regardless who is at fault, this will be settled out of court.  Will a payoff be seen as an admission of Roethlisbereger's guilt by some?  Yes.  Others will see it as the woman taking advantage of a situation for a big payday--aka extortion.  It seems there's no shortage of athletes that like to put themselves in these types of situations.   
    Posted by BrooklineRob[/QUOTE]


    I agree this is a good post, lets wait till this all comes out. Rich or not, you should know better and not get yourself in this position.

    "The devil walks to and fro, looking for the week to devour"

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : Gee...........how mature.
    Posted by MYNJJets[/QUOTE]

    dip sh--, How mature is it for you to be looking for love on this site? Go home to the Jets site where you can talk about the greatness of your coach.
     
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    [QUOTE]He didn't rape her, she was bragging to her friends about how she slept with a SB winning QB the very next day. It's just another girl trying to get rich of a professional athelete-- like with Kobe.  When you're drunk your wanton behavior feels great, when you wake up the next morning you start to feel like a garbage bag. Used and tossed out. Gentlemen, if you get rich watch your backs. 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]

    How do you know for certain?  Did she state this?  Or did someone else?  Standard defensive operating procedure for these cases is to slander the alleged victim and paint her as a wh*re, suing rumors, paid-off "friends" of the victim, etc.  Big Ben makes a lot of money for himself and a lot of other poweful people.   The tempatation to libel and slander her is immense. 

    That it is going to trial seems to undermine Ben's position.  It would be naive at best to think his people didn't offer her shut-up money, rape or not.  That was her bird in the hand.  She risks losing everything - money, reputation, etc. - in a trial. So why go to trial then?  Justice and revenge.

    By the way, I totally believe Kobe got away with one.  There were signs of abuse - bruises, bleeding, etc.  Most peole don't get off on getting beat up and bleeding from their orifices.
     
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    The problem with this post is that from what I can tell, there are a bunch of men discussing what a raped woman might do. Or if it happened at all. We also have those who are quick to throw stones with out a shred of truth. (Please don't say what you read on line, in print or hear on the news is truth.)

    From some one who had a family member raped, I can tell you that how a women reacts is not a constant answer, shame, embarrassment, guilt, anger, fear, shock and wishing you were dead revolve around inside their heads like a ping pong ball.
    I would not make too much light of this subject one way or the other.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Why would anyone find glee in this  one way or the other?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : Fun fact about rape, nearly 50% of all rape cases are false accusations. When it comes to rape that simply fact of "It's her word against yours" is unsettling. A man is guilty just because a woman can says he is, that's not justice. I would hate for this to happen to you, but rape is a never ending crime. Once a male rapes a girl, he goes to jail to be raped by the inmates. That's how most people-including myself- would want justice served, not by getting paid.
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]

    Where did you get that figure?

    I went to report on a rape reporting ethics symposium in 1994 and the statistic then was that less than 5% of reported rapes were false.  On top of that, some figure less than 10% of actual rapes are ever reported, as I recall.  If you have a source for the 50% figure, I sure would be interested to see it.

    I am not blaming you.  I think there is a lot of false info out there, especially after cases like at Duke.  Here is a link about such statistics in a medical journal:

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/166281.php
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : You people are all so sexist.   Typical male response that she's just making this up for money.  You make me embarassed to be a male.  I feel if she said he did it, he did. Look at it this way, if Cheesburger said this woman threw a cup of coffee in his face, would you deny it happened?  Probably not.  Now, grow up.  Rape cannot and will not be dismissed by a guy saying, "oh, she made it up...."  I beleive that videotaping anything without the other person's consent is also against the law, especially if it involves sex.  What was that attorney smoking? Yeah, you mean like the Girl who said she was raped by the Duke Lacrosse team?  She said it, so we were all supposed to believe her?  how did that turn out?  BTW havent heard any apologies from the main 2 instigators in that whole mess. Al and Jesse.  
    Posted by Medic87[/QUOTE]

    Your post smacks of racism, just like your avitar smack of sexism.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : Pretty funny when a NY thug, who doesn't understand 5th grade English grammar (i.e. the difference between "your" and "you're"), lectures someone about their ignorance!  He's probably a NYU professor!
    Posted by unclealfie[/QUOTE]

    You're right..........I made a spelling error, not the same as ignorance.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : dip sh--, How mature is it for you to be looking for love on this site? Go home to the Jets site where you can talk about the greatness of your coach.
    Posted by gmbill[/QUOTE]

    Typical...........low-rent post
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Judge throws out Roethlisberger's motion to dismiss and denies sanctions against plaintiff's lawyers!! : Typical...........low-rent post
    Posted by MYNJJets[/QUOTE]

    d--k! how is that better, go home
     
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    If I recall correctly from early information on this subject, the plaintiffs attorney is well known and well respected in the Nevada legal community. 

    Up until this new information came out, I'd say Rothlisberger was winning the battle in the court of public opinion.  But I believe all of the information that was publicly revealed by Ben's camp was also filed in a motion to to dismiss the case.  That Big Ben did not get the dismissal is, imo, a pretty big feather in the plaintiff's cap. 

    It may well be that the smartest thing the plaintiff has done is hire the right attorney.
     
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