Running up the Score=Injuries!

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    I really can't understand this debate. Sitting at home the last thing I want to see is my team taking a knee for half of a game. I couldn't imagine paying good money to sit in the snow and watch it either. Just sounds like sour grapes to me.
     
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    I wish people would think before they make a thread
     
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    Not sure how this is the result of running up the score... They scored most of their points in the second quarter. And after one series in the 3rd, they went to the second team to get them some rep. Running up the score would be Tom Brady throwing for another 4 TD to make it 10 for the night and breaks the record(which I have not a doubt that he could against that secondary). Not sure what you want them to do..... just run the ball none stop to run out the clock? which they kinda did anyway?

    He got hurt in the 4th quarter. Someone has to play the WR position even in trash time. It is just too bad that he got hurt, but in no way was the Pats trying to run up the score.

    Nonesense...
     
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    We have 45 men suited up. There all suppose to be ready to play....Bill Belichick
     
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    How many patriots players can get hurt?  Its getting ridiculous to be honest...
     
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     A logical person who saw the same team at or near the top of the league in injuries every year might conclude that there were conditioning issues.

    Fortunately, I am not a logical person.

     
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    [QUOTE] A logical person who saw the same team at or near the top of the league in injuries every year might conclude that there were conditioning issues. Fortunately, I am not a logical person.
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]

    Ok, I'll bite.....how does one condition themselves to not break a bone, or not blow out a knee, or dislocate a joint, and even from getting a concussion?

    You condition yourself to not get muscle pulls, but there are things that you can not avoid....no matter how fit/conditioned you are.
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm not a big fan of the Pats running up the score, once the game has been decided, I would much rather see the 2nd and 3rd stringers go in a get some practice time.  I hope the Edelman injury is a lesson of why not to rub it in.  If the Pats plan on a repeat performance against the Bucs, someone might just get hurt again.  Just my 2 cents.
    Posted by Grogan77[/QUOTE]

    When did we run up the score?

    What I saw Sunday was Brady after struggling for 5 games with his mechanics and syncing with the receivers finally find his grove. It would be idiotic for him to sit down or take a knee every series. As it was he came out in the third quarter ran a series then sat for the rest of the game.

    As for Hoyer....You got the rare chance to get in 2 quarters of real game experience for your rookie QB when the game is effectively over. You want him to run real plays with the receivers he'd be throwing to (at least some of the time) if he came in with the game on the line. Only an idiot would throw away that oppertunity and only idiots (ESPN) would consider it running up the score.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : Ok, I'll bite.....how does one condition themselves to not break a bone, or not blow out a knee, or dislocate a joint, and even from getting a concussion? You condition yourself to not get muscle pulls, but there are things that you can not avoid....no matter how fit/conditioned you are.
    Posted by m1020us[/QUOTE]

    Ummm . . .  athletes are more prone to being out of position or not protecting themselves properly when they are fatigued. That is one example of how less than exemplary conditioning may result in a broken bone.

    But I'm not singling Edelman out here. The Pats are consistently one of the most injured teams in the league.

    Don't you ever wonder why that is?
     
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    Mike - 

    if I had to guess it's because they put more intensity into the game which runs the higher risk of injury. If you look into it you'll see generally the teams on the bottom tend to have less injuries while those towards the top tend to have a higher rate of injury. I believe this is due to the amount of effort and physicality that these players are willing to put forth. Those players on teams without a shot at the playoffs don't play as hard or aren't willing to risk their bodies and career to prevent the extra yrd.

    Also understand the majority of the Pats players aren't star players and tend to be more in the range of fringe 2nd stringers. These types of players and rookies are more likely to toss themselves into situations where injuries occure in hopes of seeing a bigger payday as a reward (TBC and Alexander are great examples). The major injuries so far this year have been Welker (which the hits he takes I'm shocked it didn't happen earlier), Taylor (the guy is getting up there in age and ankle/knee problems for older rb's is common), Morris (Again an aging rb who dives into piles to prove his play), Light (OL as they age tend to have some type of issue with knees in their career since the knee was never meant to have so much force driving backwards as OL deal with), Elederman (a Welker copy willing to take any hit and a rookie to boot)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : Ummm . . .  athletes are more prone to being out of position or not protecting themselves properly when they are fatigued. That is one example of how less than exemplary conditioning may result in a broken bone. But I'm not singling Edelman out here. The Pats are consistently one of the most injured teams in the league. Don't you ever wonder why that is?
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]

    Wow, what a reach....but it was one heck of a try.....

    Edelman was out of position when he was diving for more yards?

    Brady was out of position in the first 10 minutes of the game when he got his knee blown out?  Or was Morris missing his block in that play because he wasn't conditioned?

    Did Seau berak his arm tackling a player becaus he was in the wrong position?

    Wow....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : Wow, what a reach....but it was one heck of a try.....
    Posted by m1020us[/QUOTE]

    Normally I don't respond to deuschebag (with underdogg as a noted exception), but as you clearly have never been involved in athletics of any kind, perhaps a real-life example would help illustrate what any rational person who was not an idiot could readily see.

    Let's say some kid (me) is in a wrestling match and has been exerting maximum effort for nearly six minutes straight. He's tired, and he's having trouble keeping his head up. From the referee's position (top), when the whistle blows, he tries to sweep his opponents left arm and drops his head -- because he's fatigued -- at the same time the other kid tries to execute a standing escape. The back of his opponents head impact the first kid (me) directly in the nose, breaking it in two places. If I had been in better shape, I would have kept my head where it belonged and would not have ended up bleeding all over that kid.

    This is a real-life example of a broken bone occuring as the direct result of fatigue.

    You, on the other hand, are a real-life example of a close-minded moron.

    Thank you, and have a nice day.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : Normally I don't respond to deuschebag (with underdogg as a noted exception), but as you clearly have never been involved in athletics of any kind, perhaps a real-life example would help illustrate what any rational person who was not an idiot could readily see. Let's say some kid (me) is in a wrestling match and has been exerting maximum effort for nearly six minutes straight. He's tired, and he's having trouble keeping his head up. From the referee's position (top), when the whistle blows, he tries to sweep his opponents left arm and drops his head -- because he's fatigued -- at the same time the other kid tries to execute a standing escape. The back of his opponents head impact the first kid (me) directly in the nose, breaking it in two places. If I had been in better shape, I would have kept my head where it belonged and would not have ended up bleeding all over that kid. This is a real-life example of a broken bone occuring as the direct result of fatigue. You, on the other hand, are a real-life example of a close-minded moron. Thank you, and have a nice day.
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]

    Reminds me of the old rule in boxing, "Even a bad fighter in great shape is tough to beat."

    Fatigue can definately cause players to get hurt.  It doesn't have to be from mental exhaustion or laziness either.  Sometimes you just don't have any legs left underneath you.  

    You stated earlier that the Pats are consistantly one of the most injured teams, just wondering if you had any stats on that or if it was just an observation.

    Playing time on game day shouldn't affect your fatigue.  You should be in shape for Game day, period.   Sometimes, overtraining can be the problem. 

    You need fresh legs for Sunday.

    If it's true that the Pats are consistantly getting injured more frequently I'd look at how they practice.   Other than that it could be that they have tend to have alot of older free agents.
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm not a big fan of the Pats running up the score, once the game has been decided, I would much rather see the 2nd and 3rd stringers go in a get some practice time.  I hope the Edelman injury is a lesson of why not to rub it in.  If the Pats plan on a repeat performance against the Bucs, someone might just get hurt again.  Just my 2 cents.
    Posted by Grogan77[/QUOTE]

    Good news is under Grogan we never had to worry about running up the score. I hate the old loser Logo and Colors, scares me when ever we wear them.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : T.J. would have been nice.  I understand that the Pats are limited on who they can put in, but certainly Brady,Moss, and Welker can be taken out early in the game.  I'm also talking about the aggressive playcalling, when Brady is going back to Pass up by 50 to nothing, Pro DE/LB will play with nothing to lose.  No matter how bad a team is, let's not forget this is the pro's and these can hurt when they hit.  All I'm saying is why take the chance of injury if it's not necessary.
    Posted by Grogan77[/QUOTE]

    Because we come to PLAY THE GAME. How many times have we seen a lead of four TD's come down to the wire? Remember Indy when we had to stop them four times on the one yard line to get out of there with a win after leading by 28 at halftime. (That was a great game)This is football not tennis, you cruise you lose.

    You need a new sport my man
     
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    [QUOTE]Grogan77, agree with your general point, but IMO i dont think edelmans injury really applies here. they had what, 4 active wideouts? hoyer was in the game, who was he really gonna throw to? just having him hand the ball off over and over because we had a big lead does him no justice in the long run, regardless of the score thats still an opportunity to get your rookies such as hoyer and edelman some work together at game speed. edelman has been a nice addition for us and his loss is a shame, but he has not yet earned the right to take a seat on the bench in a blowout. he is a still a rookie and has plenty of learning left to do, especially considering he has just converted to his new position in the pro game. as far as i see it, once you put your backup QB in the game it's not considered "running it up" to keep trying and allowing him to run plays they would need him to execute if TFB goes down. at that point the game becomes a great opportunity to get all the young players some extra work, and unfortunately it resulted in a injury to a promising young player...just dumb luck i guess
    Posted by sox148927[/QUOTE]

    Good Post sox, I never said Edelman was a starter, but considering how vital and productive he has been for the Pats this year, he might as well been considered a starter.   Why not just put in Slater at the WR spot in place of Edelman and just get conservative.  Let the Pats D sit back in prevent and allow the Titians to score a few points to kill some clock. 


    My main concern is that we may see the same result this weekend with an awful Bucs team.  If the Pats are up big again by halftime and one of the Pats starters gets injured playing heavily into the 3rd, Pats fans aren't going to be so happy.  Just look at what happened with the Eagles and McNabb this season. 

    I didn't expect to many positive responses from this board, but I could care less.

     
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     The Pats are consistently one of the most injured teams in the league. Don't you ever wonder why that is?
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]

    Cause they show up for the games?
     
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    Where did you learn to do math 2nd and 3rd stringers....lets see game day active 45 plays

    22 starters in offence and defence
    3 spl teamers
    Kickers , Punter and Long snapper.

    Add the 2nd TE who does not start but is a starter to the above ,same rush specialist LB , 2 CB - [3rd safety and Dime Nickel].Now add the 2 DL we rotate and 2 OL.Forgot to add the 3rd WR to it.

    that is what 35-36 players  who play most downs.Explain how you have 2nd and 3rd stringers for all?.

    36 first teamers that mean 9 guys are your pure backup.explain how you found these 3rd stringers.
     
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    [QUOTE]First of all, up to a point, winning is the only thing.  When your team is 99.9% to 99.99% sure of a victory, then it's time to think of next week.  Who needs the practice, who shouldn't be injured. At the 98% point, injuries are best prevented by pouring it on early.  The Flaming Thumbtacks did take a couple of early deliberate helmet-to-helmet shots, one at Brady (15 yard penalty, the broadcasters said it deserved a fine) and one at Moss (apparent concussion).  These shots stopped when the game was no longer in the least bit of doubt. Nice to see Brian Hoyer drive for a touchdown.  We actually have a second quarterback.
    Posted by Paul_K[/QUOTE]
     
    Good post Paul, I have to admit that I had to listen to the game on the radio and will wait to see it replayed on NFL network to watch the full game.  I watched the highlights, but had shade of 2007 in my mind.  The Pats are going to be in alot of close games this season, so when the opportunity arises to rest Brady, Moss, and Welker, Mayo etc.  why not just take it.  

    I have played football contrary to what some posters think, but unlike most others on this board, I understand their is a big difference between Pro and High school.
     
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    [QUOTE]Where did you learn to do math 2nd and 3rd stringers....lets see game day active 45 plays 22 starters in offence and defence 3 spl teamers Kickers , Punter and Long snapper. Add the 2nd TE who does not start but is a starter to the above ,same rush specialist LB , 2 CB - [3rd safety and Dime Nickel].Now add the 2 DL we rotate and 2 OL.Forgot to add the 3rd WR to it. that is what 35-36 players  who play most downs.Explain how you have 2nd and 3rd stringers for all?. 36 first teamers that mean 9 guys are your pure backup.explain how you found these 3rd stringers.
    Posted by msatz76[/QUOTE]

    Here's the Math, Pats by 50 plus pts in the 3rd=rest Brady,Moss,Welker, Mayo.
     
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    There is no such thing as running up the score in the nfl. That is a made up term by the ny media, stop watching bspn. There is no mercy rule in the pros, this ain't pop warner, although tennessee fans may disagree LOL
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : Normally I don't respond to deuschebag (with underdogg as a noted exception), but as you clearly have never been involved in athletics of any kind, perhaps a real-life example would help illustrate what any rational person who was not an idiot could readily see. Let's say some kid (me) is in a wrestling match and has been exerting maximum effort for nearly six minutes straight. He's tired, and he's having trouble keeping his head up. From the referee's position (top), when the whistle blows, he tries to sweep his opponents left arm and drops his head -- because he's fatigued -- at the same time the other kid tries to execute a standing escape. The back of his opponents head impact the first kid (me) directly in the nose, breaking it in two places. If I had been in better shape, I would have kept my head where it belonged and would not have ended up bleeding all over that kid. This is a real-life example of a broken bone occuring as the direct result of fatigue. You, on the other hand, are a real-life example of a close-minded moron. Thank you, and have a nice day.
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]


    LOL!  you are obviously a kid, an adult does not resort to calling people names because you are making yourself look dumb......

    Comparing wrestling to Football is completely moronic.....

    Oh, BTW....the Pats should be the most fit team in the NFL....they wore full pads more than any other team during the preseason......

    You have yet to explain how The broken bones of Edelman, Seau, and Brady's blown knee have to do with conditionining....lets add all of the concussions that Aikman has had.....please explain.

    You fail to realize that injuries happen, not because of conditioning, but because it is a violent sport.

    And I have been playing sports since I was 6......so you are wrong again.....KID.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : Good Post sox, I never said Edelman was a starter, but considering how vital and productive he has been for the Pats this year, he might as well been considered a starter.   Why not just put in Slater at the WR spot in place of Edelman and just get conservative.  Let the Pats D sit back in prevent and allow the Titians to score a few points to kill some clock.  My main concern is that we may see the same result this weekend with an awful Bucs team.  If the Pats are up big again by halftime and one of the Pats starters gets injured playing heavily into the 3rd, Pats fans aren't going to be so happy.  Just look at what happened with the Eagles and McNabb this season.  I didn't expect to many positive responses from this board, but I could care less.
    Posted by Grogan77[/QUOTE]

    Isn't Slater one of our better special teams players?  that is the same thing, if Slater got hurt someone like you would be crying.....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Running up the Score=Injuries! : Here's the Math, Pats by 50 plus pts in the 3rd=rest Brady,Moss,Welker, Mayo.
    Posted by Grogan77[/QUOTE]

    Dude, it was 45-0 at halftime.....Brady and Moss came out after the next score of 52-0....Aiken was playing before Brady came out.....Welker played for a couple more downs and was done in the 3rd.

    IF you played football, then you would know that there is no such thing as running up the score.
     
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    It's not realistic to expect the pats to take the foot off of the pedal in the first half. It's really not their fault that they were mentally and physically prepared for the game, and the Oilers weren't. 

    I'm just glad no one pivotal on the D got hurt. The offense can manage. 
     
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