Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??

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    Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??

    Give this kid the ball and Brady wont be forced to have to throw all the time...The D will freakin TUFF!!
     
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    Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??

    The problem last year was with the offense moreso than the defense.  The Pats need RB, TE, and WR help and should start looking at OL upgrades as well.  A lot of the offense is 30+ years old.  At least half of their draft picks will likely be on offense if not more.  I would guess 2 DL men and 2 LB and the rest of the picks on offense.
     
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    Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??

    Ryan Matthews = Lawrence Maroney.

    He won't do anything to improve this team. 

    He is the same kid. Too small to run downhill, and too big to be an outside runner. The end result will be a staggering contradiction. He will continue getting injured and/or will start to shy away from contact limiting his effectiveness. 

    I don't know why people seem to want him so bad here, because he has almost every single flag Lawrence came with.

    It would be a redux. 
     
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    He played in a scrub conference that doesn't play the best defense, his good stats are a smoke screen. I could see if he ran up those numbers in the SEC
     
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    In Response to Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??:
    He played in a scrub conference that doesn't play the best defense, his good stats are a smoke screen. I could see if he ran up those numbers in the SEC
    Posted by kansaspatriot

    While I don't think Matthews is a HOFer in waiting, not every successful RB went to a school in a power conference.  Off the top of my head, Walton Payton went to Jackson State and Marshall Faulk attended San Diego State.
     
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    If this were to happen Brady will be put in the hospital, yes we need defense but if the oline isn't addressed as well this offense is going nowhere.
     
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    anarchy-- you got it! #1,2,2,2 - 2 de's and 2 olb's- all must be suprior tacklers, good pass defenders, and get on the qb, OFTEN. And, after a safety in round 4, taking Myron Rollle, then- get the O taken care of.
     
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    If the def. is elite- a stopper- then the offense plays on a shorter field and does not need to be quite as prolific.

    As far as WR there are some RFA's still available ( I believe) that might be worth a discussion even at the cost of next years # 1 + some pick this year.
     
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    gotta step up and get a real receiver somehow

    trade future draft picks to Kansas city for Dwayne Bowe.  If we can't get wade, get bowe!
     
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    In Response to Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??:
    If the def. is elite- a stopper- then the offense plays on a shorter field and does not need to be quite as prolific. As far as WR there are some RFA's still available ( I believe) that might be worth a discussion even at the cost of next years # 1 + some pick this year.
    Posted by NotPickinPeyton



    your first statement can be fairly countered by saying an elite offense ensures that teh opponent starts with a long field, so that the defense will ahve an easier time stopping the opponent.




     
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    Ryan Matthews = Lawrence Maroney. He won't do anything to improve this team.  He is the same kid. Too small to run downhill, and too big to be an outside runner. The end result will be a staggering contradiction. He will continue getting injured and/or will start to shy away from contact limiting his effectiveness.  I don't know why people seem to want him so bad here, because he has almost every single flag Lawrence came with. It would be a redux. 
    Posted by zbellino


    I couldn't disagree more with your analysis. Have you watched any tape on this kid. All of his long TD's were between the tackle runs. He runs better between the tackles than outside the tackles. I have not seen anything other than on this board that would leave me to believe he is injusry prone. The difference between Mathews and Maroney is Mathews doesn't dance before he gets to the line of scrimmage, he just hits the holes.

    Another option for a RB and I think this guy is being seriosly overlooked is Blount from Oregon. He is 1st round talent, unfortuntely his KO has hurt him.
     
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    Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??

    "Tape"? Do you mean youtube? 

    I have seen him play on TV -- and the problem with youtube for RBs is it only shows you highlights. I could make a highlight real out of any starter and they would look amazing -- especially running past frozen arm tacklers from San Jose State. 

    And I never said he "dances" at the hole and won't run ahead. Guess what? Neither did Maroney. I have seen him "not" kick it outside the guard before. Like most college backs his ability to reads holes is questionable.

    What I am saying is that like Maroney, I doubt his ability to be an outside runner in the NFL, and I know his injury history and average bulk makes him a poor candidate to be an inside runner for an entire season.

     I would even extend the comparison to show that like Maroney he is below average at getting down-field as a WR. That essentially means that he comes off the field in spread formations, OR like NE does with Maroney, Welker/Edelman come of the field for him. 

    As far as his injury history, don't hear it here. Just follow the player. 

    Every year he has been in college as a starter he has suffered a catastrophic injury. He missed his bowl game with a torn muscle in his shoulder three years ago. Missed half the season two years ago with a knee injury. And he missed the game against LA Tech with a concussion this year. That amounted to two season ending injuries in three seasons, and one concussion. 

    Both he and Maroney are the same size (6'0" and 218) and both of them run a mid 4.4. Both seem to get injured every season. 

    He has never gone more than 10 games without missing a game. 

    I think the only day one back this season with more injuries is Best.

    That is a flag. 

    To be clear, I don't see anything in Mathews that would make him a bad prospect for the right team. But he is not a significant upgrade over Maroney.

    He is Maroney part two. A guy who would like only stay healthy long enough to compile 800 yards a season and who is a spare part in an offense designed around spreading the field and using the slot.


     
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    Id rather listen 2 a fortune cookie than ZBELL. This is a guy who said Sey wouldnt have help us this year. After teams ran the ball down up/down on us and Balt finished us off by doing the same thing. I called u out so mant time ZBELL , but like LAZ and everybody else u ran like a lil' gurl.
     
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    In the 2008 and 2009 drafts the Pats grabbed a huge pile of decent, if not all-star, defensive players.  They addressed the defense.  Now the defense simply needs to get experienced.  The big holes are at tight end and running back.  Also, BB needs a punter and a quarterback trainee.  Players that might fill holes already, but I doubt it, are Brandon Tate and Shaun Crable.  Assuming that these guys probably won't function, BB needs some fill-in choices for one WR and one sack specialist.  Otherwise  BB will take the best player available or trade into 2011.
     
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    I think it's unfair to label Matthews as Maroney part 2. I think it's overly simplistic to say every back that weight 218 lbs and runs a 4.44 40 is bound to be mediocre (I'm assuming Maroney= medicore and Matthews=Maroney based on your comments). I would say Maroney has good skills but terrible vision. He just struggles to see holes that a guy like Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris would see. Basically, I think if you have Maroney's speed and power + good vision you'd have a damn good back. I wouldn't crap on Matthews because I haven't seen him play enough to say he has bad vision or instincts.

    I agree that Matthews isn't an Adrian Peterson type in that he doesn't have one distinguishable trait that makes him superior to a defender tackling him, but you could also say that about a guy like Curtis Martin and he had a pretty good career. 

    In Response to Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??:
    "Tape"? Do you mean youtube?  I have seen him play on TV -- and the problem with youtube for RBs is it only shows you highlights. I could make a highlight real out of any starter and they would look amazing -- especially running past frozen arm tacklers from San Jose State.  And I never said he "dances" at the hole and won't run ahead. Guess what? Neither did Maroney. I have seen him "not" kick it outside the guard before. Like most college backs his ability to reads holes is questionable. What I am saying is that like Maroney, I doubt his ability to be an outside runner in the NFL, and I know his injury history and average bulk makes him a poor candidate to be an inside runner for an entire season.  I would even extend the comparison to show that like Maroney he is below average at getting down-field as a WR. That essentially means that he comes off the field in spread formations, OR like NE does with Maroney, Welker/Edelman come of the field for him.  As far as his injury history, don't hear it here. Just follow the player.  Every year he has been in college as a starter he has suffered a catastrophic injury. He missed his bowl game with a torn muscle in his shoulder three years ago. Missed half the season two years ago with a knee injury. And he missed the game against LA Tech with a concussion this year. That amounted to two season ending injuries in three seasons, and one concussion.  Both he and Maroney are the same size (6'0" and 218) and both of them run a mid 4.4. Both seem to get injured every season.  He has never gone more than 10 games without missing a game.  I think the only day one back this season with more injuries is Best. That is a flag.  To be clear, I don't see anything in Mathews that would make him a bad prospect for the right team. But he is not a significant upgrade over Maroney. He is Maroney part two. A guy who would like only stay healthy long enough to compile 800 yards a season and who is a spare part in an offense designed around spreading the field and using the slot.
    Posted by zbellino

     
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    Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??

    Wow...pretty rough stuff. I guess going defense is a better move in round one.
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from 49Patriots. Show 49Patriots's posts

    Re: Ryan Mathews then all D IN THIS DRAFT??

    No, we are not drafting a RB in the first round. Our running game is fine, it doesn't have to be elite to be effective. The Colts don't have a very good one, the Cardinals didn't have a very good one last year, and the Saints don't have Barry Sanders on their roster. We need better OLmen. Our OL, especially our tackles, can't hold a block to save their lives.

    I say we move Vollmer to LT, draft Veldheer to play right, and see if we can get Greenbay's pick 86 for Matt Light.
     
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